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woolldog

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Tue May-20-08 08:18 PM
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Good for you Chris Matthews!

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writes3000

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Tue May-20-08 08:19 PM
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1. What did he say?

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woolldog

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Tue May-20-08 08:20 PM
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6. Pressing the Clinton surrogate on race issues.

Edited on Tue May-20-08 08:22 PM by woolldog

Basically he called a large % of Clinton supporters who will vote for Clinton but not Obama in the GE racist.

Clinton surrugate demurred but he kept driving the point home, using exit poll data etc.

Clinton surrogate tried to pivot the discussion to gender discrimination and Matthews asked, when has your candidate spoken out against this kind of racism? She talks about gender but nothing on racism. Why doesn't she address it? It's a problem.

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Johnny__Motown

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Tue May-20-08 08:19 PM
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2. Another chill up his leg?

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billyoc

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Tue May-20-08 08:19 PM
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3. I really think he hates the Clintons for not giving him a job in the '90's. nt

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Johnny__Motown

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Tue May-20-08 08:20 PM
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7. Bleh. he has been saying Hillary will be President since she first ran for the Senate

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billyoc

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Tue May-20-08 08:43 PM
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26. Indeed. He doesn't hate them enough to be wrong, just hates them.

For a while it *did* look like Hillary would be President. :hi:

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tularetom

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Tue May-20-08 08:19 PM
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4. I'm almost afraid to ask

What did he do that was good?

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MadBadger

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Tue May-20-08 08:19 PM
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5. for addressing race with Lisa Caputo?

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tekisui

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Tue May-20-08 08:20 PM
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And asking, has Hillary spoken about race or only gender?

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woolldog

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Tue May-20-08 08:20 PM
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9. yup.

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otohara

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Tue May-20-08 08:37 PM
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23. She Danced A Bit, But Didn't Deny

there's a racial bias in the Dem party. She seemed concerned, but on the other hand, they knew damn well this would be the case in KY. A win is a win no matter how you get there.

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jefferson_dem

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Tue May-20-08 08:20 PM
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8. Being honest about the sad truism that bigotry still exits...even among self-identified "Democratic"

voters.

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WillYourVoteBCounted

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Tue May-20-08 08:34 PM
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19. its Kentucky

think rebel flags and mullets.

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Scooter24

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Tue May-20-08 08:21 PM
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10. She sure did dance around those questions

and she looked a bit shocked. I bet Terry is on the phone with her right now.

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ruby slippers

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Tue May-20-08 08:22 PM
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11. just heard that too.....ditto....can't anyone see that Hillary is enjoying

the race baiting game.

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tishaLA

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Tue May-20-08 08:22 PM
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12. Yeah, he just laid it out there

and he is the only one who in the mainstream media who is willing to speak the unspeakable about the way people are hiding behind arguments about ability and experience as a deflection of their racial biases. He is also right that this is an old problem in the party we have to be willing to confront, but that the confrontation is made harder by Sen Clinton's continued fight, which is making the cleavages in the party ever more apparent.

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NotThisTime

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Tue May-20-08 08:25 PM
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15. He TOTALLY did! He's been FIRED up the last week or two!

You want to yap about sexism, well what about the racism people are ADMITTING to.... more racism than in West Virginia! Matthews SHOULD be calling this out!

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Tatiana

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Tue May-20-08 08:33 PM
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17. WOW! Can't believe Tweety went there. n/t

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WillYourVoteBCounted

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Tue May-20-08 08:34 PM
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18. he was calling Caputon on the exit poll statements

he said it must be worse than the numbers show, because usually
people don't want to admit nasty thoughts like that.

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aaronbees

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Tue May-20-08 08:39 PM
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24. I was floored he pressed the issue

Good for the Tweety.

And yes, this is a huge problem in the party. Clinton's only exacerbating the issue.

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Barack_America

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Tue May-20-08 08:23 PM
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13. I think Chuck Todd blew the entire panel away...

With his nearly perfect breakdown of the primaries based on racial composition.

I know it blew me away. :(

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writes3000

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Tue May-20-08 08:24 PM
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14. Damn, I missed it. Shit.

Can you summarize?

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Barack_America

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Tue May-20-08 08:30 PM
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16. Okay, here it is...

Edited on Tue May-20-08 09:11 PM by Kristi1696

If a state is <6% African American, it has gone for Obama (with the only exceptions being NM and AZ, presumably due to Hispanic voters)

If a state is >6%, but <18% African American, it has gone for Clinton (only exceptions being states that border IL)

If a state is >18% African American, it has gone for Obama (no exceptions)

No other demographic (average income, average education, etc.) matches up. Only race. Pretty shocking, no?

ETA: Looks like lots of folks are looking at this, so I just wanted to point out that I may not be remembering the numbers perfectly. It may be <5% or 4%, etc. But I think the point still remains.

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writes3000

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Tue May-20-08 08:36 PM
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22. Wow, wow, wow....

Those first two measures are pretty crazy.

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woolldog

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Tue May-20-08 08:53 PM
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27. His analysis is kind of deceptive.

Edited on Tue May-20-08 08:55 PM by woolldog

I didn't care for his analysis because there's much more going on.

For example, Obama carried whites in CA, I believe. If not it was quite close.Same with New Mexico. Clinton won because of the hispanic vote is such a large part of the electorate. Plus CA would vote for Obama if the vote were now. I don't think Obama's loss had much to do with race. It was simply familiarity.

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Barack_America

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Tue May-20-08 09:06 PM
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29. He admitted...

That it didn't hold for states with large hispanic populations.

It's entirely possible it's something he's overlooked. But it's not education, average income, etc., so I'm not sure what that *something* would be.

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Tatiana

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Tue May-20-08 09:03 PM
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28. Jesus Christ.

Thanks for that info, Kristi.

Pretty amazing.

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OneAmerica

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Tue May-20-08 09:09 PM
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30. Very informative.

Thanks for the info.

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Barb in Atl

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Tue May-20-08 08:35 PM
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20. Based on demographics

Edited on Tue May-20-08 08:36 PM by BleedinHeart

States with black population of 4% or less, as well at 16% or more tend to go for Obama.

States in that magic area of 5% to 15% black population, with a little racial friction thrown in for fun, tended to go for Hillary - hence the west of Missippi hold Obama has while Clinton had a hold of the rust belt. South east for Obama - DC, MD, VA, NC, SC, GA, AL.

Interesting, but hopefully not the whole story. Hope it's not all about color...

edited to add: posted same time as one above - can't remember if it was 4 - 16 or 6 - 18.

I'm not sure, so prolly off.

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Barack_America

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Tue May-20-08 08:41 PM
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25. I'm not sure of my numbers either.

But the precise numbers really don't matter. It's still mind-blowing.

I wish they'd discuss it again.

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eleny

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Tue May-20-08 08:35 PM
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21. It was excellent

I thought he would drop it and not go there. But he took it pretty far. At least until the Hillary surrogate had to sigh and say she hoped Clinton supporters wouldn't vote only for race. And then he pointed out that they told exit pollsters they did just that in Kentucky.

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