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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:26 PM
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Is the Obama campaign destined to be a fitted with a limpet mine at the convention?
  I used to think of Clinton as a barnacle, hoping to ride Obama's campaign into the White House. Now I think of her attachment as VP, under circumstances still unfolding and to be completed at the convention, as a limpet mine. Designed to sink him so that McCain will win but really so that Senator Clinton can have another crack at it in 2012.

  Her self-financing alone raises legitimate questions about where the money came from and the ethics of borrowing from a joint account with Bill are enough fodder for the Republicans to take the whole campaign down.

  Once she's been affixed, anyway.

  Can this be avoided? How? Outrage alone will not work. Big money wants Clinton at the head of the ticket. If she can secure a spot as his VP- let's face it by strongarming the Democratic convention into it, or as her supporters (such as Sabin and Weinstein, et al.) are fond of, bribery and financial threats against the party itself, is there any way he can shake her off or prevent her from being attached in the first place?

PB
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:28 PM
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1. Hillary has not been vetted.
I don't care what her surrogates say - she has not been vetted. Obama didn't attack her where it hurt, and everyone here knows it. But the repukes will.

She on the other hand couldn't hold back. She attacked from within the party with repuke-like tactics. Obama is now vetted. The problem now is the rift that was created in her divisiveness. That will take a while and a lot of work to heal.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:31 PM
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2. HRC has gotten close to 50% of all the Dem primary votes cast!
She deserves to be on the ticket or at least she and her supporters deserve to have some say as to whom else is on the ticket. DEAL WITH IT!
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:32 PM
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3. she will have to be vetted and turn over documents in order to be on any ticket
anyone considered for VP would have to go through a very intensive
vetting process.

She doesn't want VP.

She wants to hamstring Obama and then she can run in 2012
because then no one else will want to be hamstrung by her.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:34 PM
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4. Does she want to be VP?
as far as getting a veto on the VP pick I disagree if Obama picks Kathy Sebiluis I fear it would be vetoed.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:35 PM
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6. Second place doesn't "deserve" anything. If Obama lets her have some say, that's to his credit.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:51 PM
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7. Getting almost 50% deserves a helluva lot more than you think.
Edited on Tue May-20-08 08:51 PM by TheDebbieDee
If Sen. Clinton sits around and WAITS for the Obama Campaign to ALLOW/LET her have some say in who is on the ticket, then Sen. Clinton is not the FIGHTER that I have believed she is.

She has to take up the reins, STEP UP and TELL the Obama Campaign what the owner of nearly 50% of the Democratic votes cast in this primary DESERVES.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:56 PM
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8. She can step up and tell whatever she likes, but nobody has to listen. 2025 wins the whole show.
"Nearly 50%" wins exactly what it got Kerry--a concession speech.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:03 PM
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9. Don't kill the messenger. Don't get mad at me
because the Sen. Obama is just barely squeezing out a win in these comparatively close primaries.

As I have said many times before, I will vote for whomever the Democratic nominee is, but in all this talk about vote counts and pledged delegates and superdelegates and endorsements, etc., I've noticed that Sen. Obama IS NOT exactly blowing Sen. Clinton out of this race.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:05 PM
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11. Not mad at anyone. It's just silly to pretend that politics isn't winner-take-all.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:14 PM
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13. Sorry then, I must have misinterpreted the tone of your post............
That's real easy to do in GD:P - nearly every post seems to be posted with every ounce of venom and hate in the poster's body. I try to avoid this forum. REALLY, I do! :D
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Liberal Gramma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:05 PM
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10. Refresh my memory: was Ted Kennedy Carter's VP?
Or didn't he demand it? Coming in second doesn't entitle you to second place on the ticket.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:19 PM
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14. Did Sen. Kennedy get nearly 50% of the popular primary vote?
I'm asking 'cause I don't know. You refresh my memory - I didn't ask about Carter/Kennedy, you did.

Anyhoo, I'm not talking about what happened 28 years ago - I'm talking about today. Please stay in the present.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:09 PM
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12. She already lost. Deal with it.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:35 PM
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5. More like a bad rash...
why won't she go away !
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