Oh my gosh!!!! Harold Ford is asking Joe Scarborough how Barack can win the white working class?

wanpete

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Tue May-20-08 08:33 PM
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Oh my gosh!!!! Harold Ford is asking Joe Scarborough how Barack can win the white working class?

UNBELIEVEBLE! What a turncoat backstabber! I guess there's just not enough progressive democratic personalities to put on TV huh?

Where's Rachel????!!!!!

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anonymous171

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Tue May-20-08 08:34 PM
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1. Obama should just force her out with Superdelegates. She's unstable.

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tekisui

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Tue May-20-08 08:34 PM
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2. It is time. I agree.

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Honeycombe8

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Tue May-20-08 08:35 PM
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3. Ford is a Hillary supporter. Scarborough, a Republican, wants Hillary to win.

As does Pat Buchanan.

When you are a political junkie like I am, you learn the cast of characters and where they are coming from.

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ruby slippers

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Tue May-20-08 08:36 PM
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9. but Ford is right....you can't forget the fringes.....I feel left out in NE Florida

as Obama can't seem to find us this trip. Instead I have to drive to central FL just to see him tomorrow. We feel left out here.

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wanpete

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Tue May-20-08 08:38 PM
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17. He will visit more places when he is given the time to do so. He is trying to win the nomination

now. Once he is the nominee, I believe he will spend more time in more places. This is why we need unity and a nominee as soon as possible so that he can spend more time in more places.

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ruby slippers

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Tue May-20-08 08:43 PM
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24. yeah, well I paid my 250.00 to go support him tomorrow just in case....

so I am supporting him AND not feeling left out. Oh, and I used 250.00 of my government rebate check to do so, so I guess I can stop complaining about the money, huh?

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cali

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Tue May-20-08 09:08 PM
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35. you're kidding right? He didn't even come to Vermont.

Neither did Clinton. And I'll bet anything he won't come here as the nominee. Can't say it troubles me.

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ruby slippers

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Tue May-20-08 11:38 PM
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37. chester cares....he's thinks it's nuts!

But, honestly, yes, I do care. Kerry has been here. Hillary has been here. McCain has been here. And, Bush has been here....21 times since becoming President.....so, I think Obama can find us if he wants to.

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Honeycombe8

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Thu May-22-08 12:32 PM
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44. Not that you could see him, anyway. He came within blocks of my office here in TX...

Edited on Thu May-22-08 12:33 PM by indie_ana_500

but there was NO WAY a middle aged person could stand in line that long to get in. (both physically standing that long, plus not being able to go to the bathroom for that many hours. No way!)

His speech was supposed to start at 1:00 p.m. I was going to go, until I saw on the news that morning that there was already a long line by 7:00am. THOUSANDS were turned away at the door, unable to get in before the speech started. (They close the doors once he starts speaking.)

Shoots.:-(

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crimsonblue

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Tue May-20-08 08:37 PM
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11. haha i know what you're saying.,.

It's interesting that Ford was gung-ho on ending this campaign battle a month ago, and appeared to be supportive of Obama (at least in his tv appearances). He probably got some push back from the DLC and readjusted his tune to fit their wishes.

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ruby slippers

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Tue May-20-08 08:35 PM
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4. hopefully she will come on after her radio show later tonight?

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leftofcool

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Tue May-20-08 08:35 PM
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5. He can't and that is the problem

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Tippy

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Tue May-20-08 08:35 PM
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6. As much as I hate to admit Joe is right ........

Edited on Tue May-20-08 08:36 PM by Tippy

Obama should have gone into KY......proof is in the numbers....

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AllentownJake

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Tue May-20-08 08:41 PM
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21. He could have camped there

for 5 years. Results would have swung 5 minutes.

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Liberal Gramma

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Tue May-20-08 08:56 PM
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33. You can't overcome bigotry with logic or rhetoric

It's visceral.

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Tippy

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Tue May-20-08 09:04 PM
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34. I agree .....but I wish it wern't so........I'm from TN

I worked hard for Ford but I knew he wouldn't make it...

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Liberal Gramma

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Tue May-20-08 09:08 PM
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36. I was disappointed that the only Dem challenger who lost happened to be black.

I thought it said something shameful about the constituency. He was a conservative Democrat running in a conservative area, and looked like a good fit for his district.

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MonkeyFunk

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Tue May-20-08 08:36 PM
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7. It's a valid question

why is it so offensive?

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K Gardner

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Tue May-20-08 08:36 PM
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8. They don't work in OREGON or the other 30-odd states he's won??!!

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ruby slippers

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Tue May-20-08 08:38 PM
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13. but Oregon is better educated......the folks in KY and WV

don't think they count unless they are made to feel important...

Same thing happening here in NE Florida. People are feeling left out or are Conservatives who cross vote....

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Barack_America

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Tue May-20-08 08:37 PM
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10. I don't get the outrage.

He was just asking his opinion. I'm certain that Harold has his own ideas as well.

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nomaco-10

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Tue May-20-08 08:38 PM
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12. I live in mid tn, the fords have been nothing but an embarrasment for years. n/t

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MadMaddie

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Tue May-20-08 08:38 PM
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14. Ummm...how to catogorize Harold Ford....first of all I turned the

tv tube when he came on.....

Harold hasn't looked in the mirror lately....and he is certainly not progressive.

I can't think of anything good to say about him......

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newmajority

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Tue May-20-08 08:38 PM
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15. To paraphrase Darth Cheney, you are witnessing the last dying throes of the DLC insurgency

Unlike Cheney's statement, however, mine is actually true.

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C_U_L8R

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Tue May-20-08 08:38 PM
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16. Ford has always had republican tendancies

Edited on Tue May-20-08 08:38 PM by C_U_L8R

and he sure does throw in the innuendo for Hillary

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ErinBerin84

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Tue May-20-08 08:39 PM
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18. lol

Joe's analysis was...."You didn't lose AS BADLY as Obama did, because the night before the primary, you were at a bar with your sleeves rolled up and a camouflage hat on!"

Chris was asking Harold about people who admit that they DO vote on race, and Harold said "Well...let me just ignore the question and ask about why Obama is an elitist and why he is not connecting with these voters!"

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wanpete

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Tue May-20-08 08:43 PM
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23. That was my point Erin...here is a dem teaming up with a repub against the likely dem nominee

it was obvious he wasn't asking the question to help Obama, he was asking it to point out his agreement with Obama's "weakness". I think it's shameful. Plus Ford has the personality of a tree stump. I wish msnbc could find another dem analyst. Wasnt Ford an employee of Fox recently?

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ruby slippers

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Tue May-20-08 08:46 PM
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30. I doubt he can connect with some voters at all...case in point...today

my husband came home from work to have lunch and he told me that he told the guy he works with that his wife is going to see Obama tomorrow and the guy said, "I won't ever vote for any ...and he used the vulgar word." Racism is alive and well in some parts of the country. This is in NE Florida. And, this was in a Catholic school.....

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Exultant Democracy

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Tue May-20-08 08:39 PM
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19. I hate Harold Ford more then most republicans, who I don't hate as a general rule anyway.

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BlueJac

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Tue May-20-08 08:40 PM
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20. DLC all the way.

He gets my working class white vote. Harold Ford is a loser in many ways. DLC to name the first. What office does that loser hold. Oh yes he lost.

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stillcool

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Tue May-20-08 08:46 PM
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29. He is the Chairman of the DLC..

oddly enough...
http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ka.cfm?kaid=137

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KeepItReal

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Tue May-20-08 08:42 PM
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22. irony is: Ford couldn't win White, EDUCATED voters in his Senate run

methinks he's bitter

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wanpete

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Tue May-20-08 08:45 PM
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26. EXACTLY, that's exactly what I see in him, bitter, and maybe just a tad bit jealous of Obama.

You hit the nail on the head!

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Tippy

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Tue May-20-08 08:48 PM
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32. More than just a tad......

Ford is jealous....he had it in his mind he would be the first black to live in the WH...

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WillYourVoteBCounted

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Tue May-20-08 08:43 PM
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25. I don't think they have Rachel on with Joe "Dead Intern" Scarborough" anymore

he can't handle having someone correct his bs.

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wanpete

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Tue May-20-08 08:45 PM
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28. So in the words of Jack Nicholson, "he can't handle the truth", huh?

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ossman

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Tue May-20-08 08:45 PM
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27. The more I hear Harold Ford, the happier I am that he lost. Poor DLC excuse of a Dem

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wanpete

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Tue May-20-08 08:47 PM
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31. I agree. And I really rooted for him to win. Now that I know and see more of him, I see why he

lost. Why vote for a fake republican when you can vote for a real one. That was the choice that the people of Tennessee had.

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VolcanoJen

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Tue May-20-08 11:40 PM
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38. Democrats can't win the white working class, and it's not their fault.

It's the fault of the white working class for voting against their own economic interest, and the GOP has been genius at exploiting their hot buttons.

Also, it's annoying to me that nobody in our stupid media ever mentions the Ross Perot Effect on both of Bill Clinton's victories in 92 and 96, especially in, say, Kentucky. :eyes:

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BlooInBloo

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Tue May-20-08 11:41 PM
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40. Just noting for factuality that Obama has won more of the whitest states than Clinton.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6054163&mesg_id=6054812

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VolcanoJen

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Tue May-20-08 11:46 PM
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43. Oh, totally. Absolutely.

And this election is unlike any other. And I feel absolutely confident about our chances in November, so long as the strategy is to tie McCain to Bush, to make him "McSame," to say that McCain represents the "wrong track" number that 82% of Americans seem to think we're on.

But it's important to mention in any election year that all Democratic presidential candidates have problems with the poor, rural whites. Mark Penn would call that a "microtrend." :-)

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Yukari Yakumo

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Tue May-20-08 11:40 PM
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39. Harold Ford is a die-hard HRC asshole. Who gives a fuck about him? {nt}

uguu

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anigbrowl

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Tue May-20-08 11:44 PM
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41. Isn't he more of a 'blackstabber'?

Sorry, I couldn't resist the pun :-)

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Cha

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Tue May-20-08 11:45 PM
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42. Fuck OFF harold ford jr..you little dlc shillary..

We'll win the WHITE, BROWN, BLACK, PINK, PURPLE,RED, BLUE, ORANGE, YELLOW, GREEN, INDIGO, VIOLET, AND ANY OTHER COLOR YOU WANT TO THROW OUT THERE ON M$$$$$FM.

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