After much consideration, I will concede Hillary has the best chance of winning the nomination...

...for Obama's Vice President.

If the voters in rural Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Kentucky don't see the Clinton name as a liability, then perhaps the rest of us can look past it too. We need to win this thing.

However, I will not discount Clinton. She is a viable candidate for the Vice Presidential Candidacy. But once again, we need to look at other choices before immediately jumping to her for VP.

:cry:

Mondale must have won more than MN.

it hurts.

You want an ex-Repiglickin Raygun Navy sec'y for Obama's running mate? No offense, but ewwwwwww! Poor Senator Webb couldn't even be counted on to vote against telecom immunity. Obama doesn't need a Bush appeaser on his ticket, regardless of the appeaser's gender.

when someone is really going after her. There will be no kid gloves in the months to come.

they're Reagan Democrats and they're only voting for Hillary in the Primary cause they don't have the choice of a rethug. I would bet they have always voted for the rethug in the GE and always will.

don't want her anywhere near Obama. :mad:

It isn't about how much Obama supporters like Hillary, or how much Obama likes Hillary(although I think Obama is as fine with her as any person would be at the end of a hard contest such as this)... it is about how much the 47% of the Democratic Party likes Hillary. Because almost half of the party voted for her. That's very split. We both have a common goal, you and I, because we both want to see Obama replace George Bush in the white house. We want to make history with this election, and doing so is a serious matter. So I think we should be very serious about what it will take to get us to that goal. I honestly believe that Hillary as VP will do a lot of good towards uniting the party in Nov. I think that ticket will be unbeatable. This is NOT like any other election in history. This is NOT like any other primary in history. A shocking amount of people have come out in favor and love of Hillary.

Even Obama recently said that Hillary is on his short list for VP. OVER half of the democratic party wants hillary for VP and almost half of Obama's supporters (according to polls) would be okay with her as VP. We need to do what is going to get us the most votes from these people who desire this so that you and I can both be so, so, so happy in November!

:hug:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/09/politics/fromth...

edit to put in link to Obama's statement on May 9th.

:)

Might as well paint a giant bullseye on his chest for McCain and the GOP to target.

It isn't about how much Obama supporters like Hillary, or how much Obama likes Hillary(although I think Obama is as fine with her as any person would be at the end of a hard contest such as this)... it is about how much the 47% of the Democratic Party likes Hillary. Because almost half of the party voted for her. That's very split. We both have a common goal, you and I, because we both want to see Obama replace George Bush in the white house. We want to make history with this election, and doing so is a serious matter. So I think we should be very serious about what it will take to get us to that goal. I honestly believe that Hillary as VP will do a lot of good towards uniting the party in Nov. I think that ticket will be unbeatable. This is NOT like any other election in history. This is NOT like any other primary in history. A shocking amount of people have come out in favor and love of Hillary.

Even Obama recently said that Hillary is on his short list for VP. OVER half of the democratic party wants hillary for VP and almost half of Obama's supporters (according to polls) would be okay with her as VP. We need to do what is going to get us the most votes from these people who desire this so that you and I can both be so, so, so happy in November!

:hug:

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/05/09/politics/fromth...

edit to put in link to Obama's statement on May 9th.

:)

I keep seeing threads about that fantasy, just like the threads telling lies about caucuses showed up the last time.

I LOVE Obama--I've supported him since Iowa. But I also know history.

Lyndon Johnson, 1960. Not many people know that he was very, VERY close to winning the nomination over Kennedy, until he was promised the Vice Presidency. Kennedy couldn't stand Johnson, and Johnson couldn't stand Kennedy. But then JFK won one of the closest pre-Bush elections ever, and many people are convinced that without LBJ's support in Texas and elsewhere in the deep South, Nixon would have become president in 1960.

JFK certainly got the shitty end of that deal. He got murdered in LBJ's home state. Some even say LBJ was involved.

The only other "dream ticket" was Reagan/Bush in 1980. Similar results there, though Reagan was a bit luckier in the outcome.

Same people probably responsible for both shootings though. And Hillary is one of their friends :evilfrown:

and that is to make us expect Dixies and OC voters will vote for Obama WHY?

Big no.

I'd defer to his opinion on the matter. :D

Next!!!!

her or gore. and even then its a toss up

to make a good choice of a running mate on his own despite being pressured to award it to Hillary.

What's more important, staying true to your ideals or winning an election? It's not an choice, but after listening to McCain talk, I'm starting to move into the latter camp...

And I know she'd make a very good vice president. So, even though Hillary has pissed me off to no end during this primary season, I'd be happy to vote for an Obama/Clinton ticket.

It would be nice if all of her lackeys (Carville, Davis, McAuliffe, Wolfson, and Bill) were never heard from again though.

and nearly everyone who has worked in it!

The answer to the first question to me is: Obama should nominate (1) a woman, and (2) someone who never supported the Iraq War Resolution who (3) would maximally add to his electability in Nov.

Hillary Clinton in my view fails on both the latter two tests. But I think Barbara Boxer would easily win over just about ALL those who favored Hillary over Obama that weren't yellow dog Democrats intending to vote Republican anyway in November, even against Hillary. Boxer also lacks (AFAIK)any of the baggage of Hillary Clinton, and has a really LONG resume and background in foreign policy (she's been in the Senate MUCH longer, and focused on the job rather than campaigning). She is very popular, very likeable, strong on Greenhouse (for a pol) and is arguably the STRONGEST possible Democratic running mate for Obama in FL. She voted against the IWR.

Sen Stabenow of MI also voted against the IWR, and arguably might help blow McCain out of the water in the Midwest. Gov Sebelius never supported the IWR and could also significantly boost the ticket. I still don't know where Gov Napolitano stood on the IWR back when.

Among males, who I think would be a less wise choice BOTH in principle and in realpolitik terms, many are pushing for a Clinton surrogate, who will push in the direction of the DLC: Hillary herself, or Nunn, Clark, or Strickland. I don't think the spirit of Al From needs to be on Obama's ticket, nor do I think it would significantly increase Obama's popularity. Webb is a compromise, as he always opposed IWR yet has many IWR type leanings. Others suggest Edwards, who didn't impress me much on the ticket in 04, while of the Democratic candidates other than Obama, the best pick would in my view be Richardson (but I'm not particular for him either). Gov Schweitzer always opposed the IWR, and is thought by many to be a potential political master stroke as a choice, and is one worth considering.

I still say -- a WOMAN, NOT HILLARY, one that will MAXIMIZE Obama's chances in Nov.

It has been plausibly argued that with well over 40% of the total delegates supporting her for the presidency, HRC could call in all those Clinton chips from those SDs that didn't support her over Obama for prez, and thus essentially force Obama to accept her as the choice for running mate. The possibility of doing so would be reduced to some extent if Democrats and progressives generally were to mobilize to make ourselves heard -- YES we want a woman on the ticket, one that NEVER supported the IWR, something Obama has pointed to as a major litmus test of a politician's judgment.