What the hell is up with Puerto Rico and why are they voting

in a primary that will not have any bearing on the GE? I know they are a US territory. I know they have their own constitution. I know they choose to stay a territory rather than become the 51st state. So why are they voting in this primary again? :crazy:



I just don't get it.

goes through PR...

:evilgrin:
rocknation

as the palm of my hand. Hillary by 8% or less.

He will NOT win PR.

Not.

He'll have to spend a FORTUNE to keep it within ten.

and guess what? She agrees...unless PR decides to become a state and use OUR constitution, then they should not be counted. Especially, when it doesn't go towards the GE. I had a cousin stationed in GUAM while in the military and he voted absentee. It can be done for Americans. But to allow territories to vote in a primary that weighs only for political reasons and not for the constitutional 50 is not fair.

You guys sound ridiculous, these are rules that were in place before the primaries started.

You, a HRC supporter, have the unmitigated gall to talk about rules???

That's fucking rich.

You guys can talk about rules when you all STFU about Florida, Michigan, the popular vote, caucuses, etc.

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So if you know your shit as you claim, you know how easy is for the Governor and his cronies to mobilize people to vote for Obama.

:eyes:

No me hagas reir que tengo los labios partidos. Please... King Rosello (or Generalizimo Rosello) is running the country. His apologists will do as he says not what the Governor says since he has no power.

While the current governor, Anibal, has managed to remain in power despite having been accussed by the feds. Way too many people love him down there.

by Rossello's cronies?

Ironic that it comes from the political party with the most extensive history of corruption.


Y mira amor... no estoy discutiendo contigo... sabes? Nada mas charlando. ;)

Bill Clinton didn't exactly endear himself with his waffling over Vieques.

The candidate is the SENADOR de NUEVA YORK.

The US has more Puerto Ricans in it than Puerto Rico does.


:)


And most of them live in NUEVA YORK.

:)


Haga las matemáticas.....

:)

Pero ella es la esposa del Señor Cleenton, y en mi opinión (y la opinión de mi familia viviendo en la isla), los dos son juntos.

Hay muchas personas en nueva york y en mi barrio favorito (el bronx) que no le gustan a Hillary en este momento. Mire a los polls de California y Nueva México... Obama está mejorando su apoyo con latinos.

So basically, I like Obama's chances in Puerto Rico. Especially with Bill Richardson set to campaign over there. My aunt has a huge crush on him.

We'll see :hi:

I prefer the chances of Clinton. By ten or more points, to be conservative. Without her spending much money at all.

If Obama wants to spend millions, he may get the numbers under ten points.

They don't like that half Mexican Richardson in PR. AT ALL. They like him as much as they like a garden-variety Cuban, trying to horn in on their business.... which is to say NOT AT ALL.


He won't HELP. He will HURT. PR is NOT "Mexico." Or California. Or Cuba. It's a different culture, and when people conflate them, Puerto Ricans get very pissed off. As they should.

Where are you getting this crazy information? Happy "Hispanic" families..... with Bill Richardson? PLEASE. That's like trying to convince people from Alabama to vote for someone by having some assclown member of Parliament from Manchester UK campaign for them. The language is sort of the same...but NOTHING ELSE IS.

If he doesn't want Obama to lose by a mile, he'll stay far away from PR.

The only thing they like in PR from Mexico is Telenovelas and Pollo Loco. Mexico is a nice place to vacation but they don't want to live there.

I have family that lives in Ponce and San Juan. They are all for Obama with the exception of a great-aunt who would vote for anyone with the last name Clinton.

This has nothing to do with Mexico vs. Puerto Rico. The Bill Richardson is Judas bullshit is a no-go in Puerto Rico. They don't care about that. No, we don't want to live in Mexico, that has nothing to do with whether people find Obama an inspirational candidate... which they do. Over one hundred people gathered in my late grandmother's establishment to watch Obama's speech in Philly. That has NEVER happened. Not even when she was showing a replay of Maria del Barrio.

There is a feeling that he is something special. He also enjoys a lot of support from those affliated with the University and his message of raising teacher salaries is very popular. Teachers are WOEFULLY underpaid on the island, which you should know.

The Clintons do have a base in PR, but Obama's support has grown tremendously.

As you say, we shall see.

I don't know anyone who is for Obama, and I just got back from a quick trip to SJ a few days ago. They don't see him as special, they see him as a bullshitter.

We shall indeed see.

y ellos son populares.

Estoy de acuerdo contigo. "Los dos son juntos."

Si, vamos a ver. :)

She's still trying to write a passable story about how she "lived" in Puerto Rico for a while.

:wtf:

why aren't they voting in the GE?

50 states. They are a territory.

:rofl:

but then you know that don't you:eyes:

Better than a grad from the BUSINESS School, certainly. But I guess that's not to be.

I guess ALBERTO Gonzales set the Law School bar pretty fucking low.

On the bright side, those folks in Oregon are thrilled to be told that they've got the Great Lakes in their state!

And I know that the population of IL is still surprised, no shocked, to discover that, contrary to what their junior senator told them, Kentucky actually BORDERS their state!

:eyes: indeed.

Objecting to STUPIDITY is never immature.


Carping at people who object to stupidity, though, is.

This argument makes no sense. If you are a US citizen, you should get to vote for President. I really don't understand why folks would disagree with this position.

Now if we want to say that folks in territories are not US citizens, fine - perhaps a case can be made for that...I just don't understand how some citizens can vote for pres and others cannot.

The constitution should definitely be amended to reflect that, although I don't see the republicans going along with that any more than they will go along with DC getting a representative in congress.

With 55 pledged delegates at stake, residents of Puerto Rico will head to their local election polls June 1 and cast ballots in the Democratic presidential primary. But for most of Puerto Rico's estimated 3.9 million residents, that’s where their presidential voting activity will end.

Unless they have official residency in a U.S. state or the District of Columbia, people living in Puerto Rico, and all other U.S. territories, are not permitted to vote in the general election in November. The Office of the Federal Register, which oversees the Electoral College, says on its Web site that "the Electoral College system does not provide for residents of U.S. Territories, such as Puerto Rico, Guam, the U.S. Virgin Islands and American Samoa to vote for President." Those with official domicile in a state or Washington, D.C., can vote by absentee ballot or travel to their home state to vote.

The hurdle for U.S. territories is in Article II, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution, which, in the matter of electing a president, states: "Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress."

more...



http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/why_does_puerto_rico_participate_in_the.html

SO, back to the original question: why are they voting in this primary?

The "rules" where not made by Puerto Ricans but by Congress. I didn't have a say on it either, or my parents or my grandparents for that matter.

Because the party can give delegates to who ever the fuck they please. (Rounders reference :))

People in PR donate money to the parties. In return, the parties give PR (and other territories) delegates.

Where you stand depends on where you sit.

If only those Puerto Ricans had "the spirit," why, they'd be welcome to be "real" Americans.

:sarcasm:

Only if you want to stay complacent.

it?

You don't happpen to like where those Boriquéns are sitting.

Too bad, Papi.

:eyes:

They are not a state. If you want PR to vote for president, then push for amendment #28.

They are C-I-T-I-Z-E-N-S.

Just like YOU.

they aren't a state and they have no bearing on the GE. I don't think it's fair that they have any influence in an election if they aren't using our constitutional by-laws for elections. It makes no sense.

In response, they give the territories delegates.

the Democratic candidate that might be the President of the US. Puerto Ricans has seen their sons and daughters come back in caskets from a war they had no say. I think they have the right to at the least have a say on who they trust to be the Democratic candidate.

So fucking what..... when they are drafted to fight in WW2, Korea, to serve in Vietnam...so fucking what when they spill their blood for our nation...so fucking WHAT?

So fucking what that they are US citizens.

So fucking what that they carry the same passport.

So. Fucking. WHAT?

What planet are you from? Jim Robinsonville?

Which candidate do you support? Don't telll me...I know. You are in that crowd that quite cavalierly makes fun of "low information voters."

Never mind having a "low information" level when it comes to our nation's history.

Are all of your pals and fellow supporters as "informed" as you? I will bet they are.

WOW.


That's all we really need to know.

US Constitution, article II, section 1

Clause 2: Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.


If you have a problem with it, you need to amend the constitution, just as they did for Washington DC.

Maybe there was a second. Its 12:25 and I don't care on looking.

Perhaps to allow territories like Puerto Rico to have elected Representatives in the House, but no Senators(reserved for States). At least then, they would have some voting representation. They could also have electors based on number of Representatives only. If, later on, they decide to become a state, then they would get Senators and full electoral college representation like any other state.

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Oklahoma, Utah, and other states while they were still territories? Did they get to vote in presidential primaries, hold caucuses, or otherwise send delegates to political conventions?

You have to be the resident of a state to vote for President. Puerto Ricans moving to one of the 50 states or DC can vote. If I, a resident of Kansas, takes up residency in Guam or Puerto Rico, I lose my presidential vote. Ironically, the states can choose the method of selecting presidential electors anyway they want. Even by the governor's appointment, if I read the Constitution correctly! Popular vote is not necessary if the state legislature so decides. All the Constitution requires is that the state retain a (small-r) republican form of government, which does not require universal adult suffrage. The state legislature of Missouri could not decide to have a King of Missouri.

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they are LOSING!

Let's hope they don't count all votes in the GE.

Fuck those votes...who needs VOTES!!!! Votes are for SISSIES!!!

Sounds like a BUSHISM, that....

Never thought I'd see the day that so-called progressives have problems with counting everyone's vote.

on the news that Puerto Rico doesn't vote in the general election.

So I don't get either why there is any importance placed on it relative to how well a candidate would do in the GE, which they don't participate in.

just a simple response to what I thought was a simple question.

.....TERRITORIES????

How DARE they? Let's burn them at the stake, shall we? Or at least flog them publicly.


And while they're taking away all of these contests that THEY SET UP from these annoying UNWORTHY territories, they should give back all the money they get from those scurrilous scumbag....US CITIZENS who reside in these crappy little....US territories.

Shouldn't they?

In-fucking-credible, the shit I read here, from .... "Democrats" and other "progressives."

And frankly that does have a good bit to do with the fact that they don't have voting representation in congress and don't get to vote in General Elections. The constitution says they can't but the constitution isn't always right. It used to say that slaves were 3/5ths of a person.

I have no qualms about giving Puerto Rico a voice in our nomination process. They are in desperate need of politicians to address their problems and this is one way of making that happen.

That's just the rules we all agreed to.

Let 'em vote.