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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:51 PM
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Hillary is playing a dangerous game.
I really don't know what she is attempting to accomplish anymore, but it's getting really close to the point where her tactics are becoming a liability for the party.

It's time for her to do the RIGHT thing for the party instead of herself.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:52 PM
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1. It's not going to happen, cause it is all about Hillary and always has been. n/t
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:38 PM
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14. exactly, pull up youtube footage of her
before Iowa. The entitlement and arrogance is stunning. She just knew she'd have it all sown up by February 5th!

Hence, no plan B yet she touted her experience and readiness to lead. She is so full of shit.
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Jawja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:34 AM
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33. She is competing with her husband.
She HAS to be President because HE was President. The Democratic Party is now being held hostage to yet another Clinton family drama.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:55 PM
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2. She is a neocon
she is not a real democrat.She is doing what she is told to do,to ruin or cripple the true democrats in the democratic party.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5265549
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:58 PM
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3. Clinton is not a neocon. What a stupid statement. n/t
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:35 PM
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13. Right, actually she's a republican who calls herself a democrat
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:54 PM
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24. explain this...
Voted for Iraq War.

Voted for cluster bombs/land mines.

Voted for Iran terrorist labelling.

Voted for flag burning ban (such a huge issue).

Voted for extending Bush tax cuts in 2005.

Collects more special interest/lobbyist money than anyone in the Senate.

Gets Rupert Murdoch to fundraise for her.

Was on the board of Wal-Mart for six years.

Was a corporate Lawyer for 12 years, representing Wal-Mart and Tyson Chicken.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/12/flashback-new-clinton-ca_n_86309.html
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/COH502A.html

Yet Hillary apparently sees no contradiction between her own advocacy, as painted by Penn, and the anti-union, pro-corporate work of her chief strategist's company. "Clearly not," says spokesman Howard Wolfson.

. "Senator Clinton is no different, frankly, from Mark's other clients," Howard Paster says. "Burson-Marsteller is a lot bigger firm than Senator Clinton. There's a whole 'nother life we live." Adds Doug Schoen, when asked if his former partner's arrangement represents a conflict of interest: "I only see that if there are particular interests we are advocating using our contacts. Mark doesn't lobby. I don't lobby. We retain a strict differentiation between the corporate world and the political world."
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Furthermore, few Democratic consultants so consistently and publicly advocate an ideology that perfectly complements their corporate clients. Every election cycle Penn discovers a new group of swing voters--"soccer moms," "wired workers," "office park dads"--who happen to be the key to the election and believe the same thing: "Outdated appeals to class grievances and attacks upon corporate perfidy only alienate new consistencies and ring increasingly hollow," Penn has written. Through his longtime association with the Democratic Leadership Council, Penn has been pushing pro-corporate centrism for years.
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070521/berman
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:02 PM
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4. The tough girl crap is getting old.
We all know how to work the mesage.
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nebula Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:02 PM
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5. Starting to get close?
has someone been in their cave a little too long?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:05 PM
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6. Your post is lucid in thought.
Edited on Tue May-20-08 11:05 PM by mmonk
At this point it's all about overturning or going around the elected pledged delegates through convincing the SD's he'a a loser. It was the reason the campaign went negative when the numbers began to be a real uphill climb. It's dangerous for our chances in November when that is her trajectory. I'm sick about it but it's her right I guess. I've hated life these last years of watching my constitution burn. Damn I want to scream. Four more years and more Fedralist Society Justices and the basic premises of this nation will be gone.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:21 PM
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7. Well, 47% of the Democratic Primary votes cast since
January say that you're wrong.

It's time for Obama to do the smart thing and offer her the VP slot!

Don't worry.......Hillary is likeable enough for 47% of us.
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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:33 PM
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12. Why offer it to her now while she's still running and hasn't conceded?
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:40 PM
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15. she's poison
and we don't want her divisive 'hard working white people/kitchen sink' sewage.
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JeanGrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:25 PM
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8. I will tell you. Hillary is all about Hillary, always has been,
always will be.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:01 AM
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26. How true.
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:28 PM
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9. Hillary is undercutting the republicans message.
Her negatives are high, and she wants votes for not being Obama.

she is giving everyone a distinct choice between herself and Obama.

Meanwhile the Republicans cannot keep a lid on Obama's popularity, without sounding in lockstep with Hillary.B-)
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:31 PM
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10. Its been clear to most that she has had no chance of winning for a while now...so...
this whole race since then has been all about Hillary, not the party.

Say what you will about whether her tactics are going to get her whatever she's looking for, but it would be VERY hard at this point to say Hillary is doing this for anyone other than herself. Sure, she may wax poetic about how "every vote must be counted" but this is NOT a requirement in any primary. The requirement is to pick a candidate for your party and then to coalesce around that candidate in preparation for the GE.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:32 PM
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11. You are all way off base.
It's not about her, it's about US her supporters. Her supporters are the ones who blog, email, phone the campaign and tell her in person to stay in the race until all votes are counted.

So, reality check to you Obama supporters, he may be ahead but too many people prefer her as president and want her to fight to the end.
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:42 PM
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16. no, it is all about Hillary....always has been, always will be....
Clinton dynasty....bigger than the Bush one.


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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:43 PM
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17. Bullshit!!!!!!!!! n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:47 PM
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20. OSTRICH.
YEAH you.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:51 PM
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22. Ignorant
Yeah YOU!!
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:16 AM
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27. Me?
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:49 PM
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21. I have news for you
she'd do it without you because IT IS ABOUT HER!

She was so confidant that she'd have it wrapped by February 5th that she went along with the DNC (not Obama) rules regarding Florida and Michigan. She didn't give a rip about all the post 2/5 primaries and all those subsequent votes. It wasn't about counting all the votes then!

When things didn't work as she planned, expected and felt entitled to, only then did she advocate changing the rules and counting ALL the votes.

She is so full of shit. And guess what? Those low information voters who have supported her negative, divisive campaign will choose the white guy with real legislative and military experience over her in the GE if she steals the nomination or fucks it up for Obama!
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:52 PM
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23. Low information voters my rear end!!!
Can you be more elitist and condescending??? There are plenty of well educated people who also support her.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:59 PM
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25. Yes, I could call you stupid
because the bottom line is that the swath of Appalachia voters for HRC in WV, PA, KY are undereducated, low information racist bigots.

Call me what you want. I don't give a shit, but your candidate is full of it.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:43 AM
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32. Why don't her supporters fund her campaign?
the new FEC figures make clear they don't. Over 7 million dollars of her 22 million raised in April, came from DC, compared to 550 thousand of Obama's 32 million.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:44 PM
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18. her supports on the tube tonight sounded delusional or stupid
they couldn't say she lost so they twist the facts, stick to the talking points (she won more votes...YEAH WHEN YOU COUNT MI WHERE HE WASN'T EVEN ON THE BALLOT YOU IDIOTS AND YOU DON'T COUNT CAUCUS STATES.)

Sorry for screaming but they are driving me nuts.

To think I supported Hillary early on.

I'm so over the Clintons with their double speak and lying.

Creeps.

At least now I know why some people hate them so much. I never could figure it out.
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WillyToad Donating Member (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:45 PM
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19. Didn't you say that after Iowa?
I swear you did...

Democracy definately does not appeal to most Obama supporters.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:29 AM
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28. I say HRC carry on. Stay because the other shoe could drop on
bho and then we will have a nominee that will win in November. and if the other shoe drops on bho and hrc is out then we sure as hell will lose in november.....
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:30 AM
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29. Wow. Deja vu...
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:24 PM
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36. Your icon and sig pic make it look like Hillary and Superman are about to start making out.
Just sayin...
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:29 AM
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30. Game Over.
Go home Hillary. You lost.
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:37 AM
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31. It used to be Republicans hated her. Now 50% of Dems hate her guts too. nt
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:38 AM
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34. I agree. I just don't get it. She's misleading her supporters into believing that Obama
doesn't care about certain voters (Florida and Michigan). She's misleading them about her alleged lead in the popular vote. Now, she is saying that sexism trumps racism?

This is very dangerous to the Democratic party.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:45 AM
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35. She's lying about Obama dissing MI and FL when it was SHE
and her supporters who were dismissing "small states" and "caucus states," or states that had large numbers of black voters. Simply despicable. To think that I've spent 15 years defending the Clintons until I turned BLUE. I never understood the vitriol from the Republicans and I still believe that there was a Right Wing Conspiracy...but by God I now understand the hatred! I truly do!
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