I'm for an Obama/Clinton ticket. Are you as well or not?

Time to ask.

if Obama's camp comes to the conclusion that it's what needs to be done, I will go along with it... begrudgingly.

But I sure hope he has more sense than that.

But can he make her sign some papers or something to promise not to Liberman out on him?

Her negative numbers nationally are too high and she's spent too much time calling Obama's experience and judgment into question to be an effective VP.

How can she effectively campaign as the running mate for somebody she insisted wasn't as qualified for the job as McCain, had nothing going for him but a speech, who as far as she knows isn't really a Muslim, and couldn't ever win the big important states where the hard-working white Americans live?

The poll needs another option: No Way In Hell.

That should be the primary criteria. Criterion. Whatever.

In other races, she would be the second choice. She already beat all those other white men.

Peace, love and happiness,

Radio Lady in Oregon

Sorry... Nothing against Hillary personally.... I just want to win.


She's electoral poison.

1. His whole appeal is as an "agent of change". That's gone the minute he puts a Washington insider on the ticket. He's been running AGAINST what she represents - intrenched interests in Washington.

2. There are lots of listless and disinterested conservatives right now who don't really care for McCain, but might grudgingly vote for him - if they can bring themselves to go to the polls. If Obama puts Hillary on the ticket, these "sleeping dogs" will break out their check books and canvas enthusiastically for McCain.

3. In the event that Obama wins, he wants to be able to govern. With Hillary (and Bill) sitting at the other end of the West Wing (so to speak), that would be impossible for him. A) the "circus" that follows Bill around would be an incredible distraction to governing. Obama doesn't need that. B) Hillary and Bill will NOT be satisfied with being in the 2nd position. They will be plotting behind the scenes for ways to undermine Obama's presidency so she can swoop in and take over - nothing life-threatening to Obama, or anything like that... but secretly pushing his negatives up through back channels. The worst thing Obama could do is to put the fox in the hen-house.

4. The DLC needs to be eradicated from the Democratic party. They are Republicans in disguise and their goal is to make our party indistinguishable from the GOP. The DLC must be rendered ineffective and without a major role in the Obama administration.


If you want to win in November, there's not many worse choices Obama could make for his VP slot. It has to be someone HE trusts, who can act as a partner in governing. The American people, 58% of them in recent polls, find her untrustworthy. I guarantee you that Obama finds her that way.


Use your head, not your heart. Obama needs to pick someone who

A) brings him a purple-ish state. Webb could help us get Virginia. Richardson could help us get New Mexico.
B) brings foreign policy experience to the ticket. Biden, Richardson.
C) Demographically gets the same type of voters that Hillary does. Edwards, Sebelius.


Think strategically... not emotionally.


She is a BAD choice, in every way possible.

Clinton would be a bad choice.

I used to think Obama having Hillary as VP would be an excellent choice in bringing the party together, but now tend to worry the Clintons would appear to be "taking it over" in the eyes of the Media who would use it that way.

But, is it better to have the Clintons working for Obama rather than having them out there doing who knows what? :shrug:

Dumping Hillary (who is the runner-up and who beat out all of those other white men) or beating McCain?

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The good news is... Obama has hired a very smart and capable staff. They know this.


Which is why they won't ask her to be on the ticket.

But I'm sincerely hoping you are wrong.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

Please join me to read a post from April 2008.

Peace, love and happiness,

Radio Lady in Oregon

Oh, well. Good to see 2/3 of Portland had some sense tonight.

Bread, cheese and wineiness,

Pirate Gentleman in Oregon

especially on such a beautiful evening.

Thank you for slipping in an insult as well... "attempt at parody" indeed.

You are a pompous ass. And I could care a less about your context.

(searching...) Is that a threat?

Pompous Asses Unite!

I don't think you really believe that. You're letting a tough camapaign get in the way of history.

I'm sorry we don't agree... and we don't.

The only thing we have in common is that I was born in Pittsburgh, PA.

A male telling me about emotions! How unique!

You have no idea what my emotions are. So, let's go our separate ways this evening.

Good night and good morning.

Radio Lady Ellen in Oregon

It's always about you, isn't it?

but this is a public messageboard where everyone gets to chime in. She didn't say anything offensive. In fact her and Scheming has a pretty decent discussion of why each feels that Obama should make a particular choice for VP. Radio Lady was making a response regarding the "emotional" aspect. Something that he had said earlier to her as well.

he really doesn't deserve it then.

Tuzla. Ooops, he proves clinton's a liar.

clinton endorsing him over Obama. Ooops, she undercuts the ticket with her own words.

And that's just for starters.

I want to sow their fields with salt. I want to hear the lamentations of their women. Metaphorically, of course.

I'd almost be willing to risk sending a curse on them, but I'm still weighing the cost/beneft ratio of such a rash action.

sw

:* :loveya: :*

So, what it is about the war-momgering DLC that people don't get?

I don't get why Clinton supporters seem to think this is irrelevant. Do they also think that the neocons have been irrelevant during the bush* administration?

sw

:hug:

I don't understand it. The DLC and PNAC, endless war, bottomless debt. She's the worst possible Dem candidate, besides someone like Lieberman or Zell Miller. On top of that, her selfish desire to become president 'by any means necessary' is destroying the hearts and minds of her supporters by giving them false hope while taking their money. Revolting! :puke:

:loveya:

Clinton burned it when she endorsed McCain over Obama.

No sale. Sorry.


Wait. Not sorry, still no sale.

- as

on anyone's ticket and you don't look too good advocating this.

she would spend four years in the office of the Vice-presidency stabbing Obama in the back, and acting like she was really POTUS. It just wouldn't work.

This woman is a viper, I don't trust her, and I believe Obama would need to wear a bullet proof vest in the shower.

I'm a Hillary supporter and I don't want her going anywhere near that ticket.

I've never disagreed with you until now. No to HRC.

He not only wants to win in November, he wants to be able to govern.


With Bill and Hillary at the other end of the West Wing, undermining his presidency at every turn, it would be impossible for him to govern.

NT!

McCants negatives haven't even started.

Now granted, they don't like Obama either, but they HATE the Clintons. Right now the GOP base is in such disarray that they can't even retain seats in strong conservative districts. The conservatives in the GOP dislike McCain and are disgusted with the party in general. Enter Hillary Clinton. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING would turn out the GOP base like a Clinton/Anyone ticket. The hatred is largely unqualified and it doesn't make a lot of sense, but it's real nonetheless. If Hillary is on the ticket, the GOP shows up to vote against her no matter WHO they're running.

she repeatedly stated that McCain is more qualified to be in the WH than Obama.

the GOP would be running that clip 24/7!

Let Hillary put her passion for "hard-working white Americans" in action as the Junior Senator from New York.

sw

Just fagettaboutit, k?

He's going to vote for McCain anyway.

better come fall.

ring a bell?

She could never be counted on to do the right thing.

a smooth one.

Hillary and Bill would become Cheneyesque shadow presidents, and we already know that's not good for the country.

Kennedy & Johnson were blood brothers.

Hillary would be able to do the same? And do you think Bill would be happy to be a complete non-player? Somehow, I don't see Sen. Clinton deciding to sit back and let the rookie handle everything.

Hillary would have made a fine president, but I don't think either of the Clinton's would adjust too well to settling for the #2 spot and supporting someone else's vision when it conflicts with theirs. Throughout this campaign, they've both shown just how little respect they each have for the man, so now I'm supposed to believe they're going to suddenly get with the program NOW? Not buying it. I see too much potential for both of them to undermine his leadership.

Seems like your sick hatred for Hillary is more than your interest in our country and our freedom. Doesn't sound very patriotic to me. I wonder how many other Obama supporters are not patriotic too?

Karl, is that you?

:eyes:

Really.........

According to my calculations, it's much higher than that.

With over 1,000 of them on "Ignore", I'm going to take the night off away from here because the "Ignore" function isn't working, and this place looks like a sewer again.

Hillary is an anchor.

There are plenty of kites available.

She would be cement shoes and an anvil tied around his neck.

but, I'm still uncommitted....

It's kind of hard to run a campaign where you criticize your opponent as being horribly unqualified for the job and then agree to back him as a co-candidate. She actually went so far as to say she and McCain were the only two candidates fit to lead. For Obama to include her on the ticket would discredit both her and him.

I think she would make a fine vice-president, but not in Obama's campaign.

:rofl:

Obama has some very real, very obvious negatives for the GOP to exploit. Hillary has some very real, very obvious negatives for the GOP to exploit. Together, the GOP has BOTH. While it's true that any VP candidate will have negatives that can be exploited, the unique problem of the joint ticket is that the GOP has been doing serious opposition research against both of them in preparation for the possibility of either one winning the nomination. So they have far more ammo ready to go than they would against any other potential VP candidate being tossed around.

My other concern is that I'm uncertain that the "anti-Obama" faction would be fully mollified by a joint ticket, while it may cause the "anti-Hillary" faction to sour on the ticket. Personally, I think both sides in the DU GDP-Wars are being needlessly divisive and short-sighted, but that's neither here nor there. If having Hillary onboard doesn't secure a BIG Democratic turnout for the GE, there's no real gain. Some real polling on the general consensus for a joint-ticket (NOT just here on DU, but out in the real world) would be nice.

Now, that's not to say that it's an inherently bad idea, just one that carries some very specific potential negatives with it. Hence my vote - still considering it.

It's just not going to work.

Kind of throws that whole "change" promise out the window, dontcha think?

Especially since Hillary never repudiated her IRW vote. I heard rumblings that she may have over the past few days, but even if she did, whhaaayyyy tooo late. It would be kind of silly for Obama to have someone on his ticket that still supports their decision to go into Iraq, when Obama has said he would have never voted for this mistake in the first place.

humiliating, landlside defeat.

Steve

:D

When they represent the Corp wing of the party

:nuke:

so that we win come November which is the most important item of the day.

Absolutely not! We need somebody with military credentials.

Unless you WANT to lose.

:puke:

After watching her behavior during the primaries, I don't want here anywhere near the presidency, but if she's as aggressive against McCain as she was in the primaries, she could bring something to the table. Also, she has been relatively strong in certain states. I'd consider her, but there are others I'd prefer like Jim Webb.

I am for efficiency, whatever ticket elects the most democrats into congress would be my preference.

Do I want Hillary on the ticket as V.P.? No. I'd rather have someone like Kathleen Sebelius or Wes Clark. However, I am in the Pelosi Club in the sense that I believe that the decision should be Obama's. If he wants her as his V.P., then that's fine with me.

Is Hillary even a democrat anymore?:shrug:

What does she bring to the table? All her voters are going back to McCain in the fall anyway.

NO SALE

When she's at the top of the ticket.

He could take her down, that's for sure. And something she must consider.... cuz it would doom her for 2012 to be sure.

But, if she can vouch for him... let us Democrats know that he is actually "OK" .... that he's not as lefty as he sounds... that he won't appease Iran.... And that she is taking care of the economic issues.... that may work.

Plus, Barack and Michelle can take the media lashing for a while while Hillary flies under the radar and gets some things done. (This needs to happen early, while we still have a congressional majority.)

The long and short of it is: uniting the various constituencies of the party must be the prime goal... if Dems are to win in November. And, if nothing else is for sure this is: Hillary is a Yellar Dawg that will risk anything for her party.

Can't happen.

for McCain as "more qualified."

She is a divisive, triangulating, backstabbing schemer who would be working 24/7 to undermine Obama's presidency. And with Bill's little side show going on, and the ensuing media circus and constant scandal --who the hell needs that crap. The 90s were over a while ago, and the Clintons are last millennium. Hillary needs to go pound sand for all the harm she has done to the party. Barack Obama is in a class way ahead of that sleazeball.

How can Hillary look sincere campaigning with Obama after everything her campaign has thrown at him?

The woman defines everything we democrats stand against. Her Orwellian campaign style speaks volumes for her lack of mores she should not be allowed in any role which involves the health and welfare of another person.

No. I'd like more than to win the election, I'd like Obama to be at his peak effectiveness, which would in part mean not looking over his shoulder at Bill and Hillary 24/7.

On the minus side, the wingnuts, who don't much care for McSame, will come out to vote against her in droves instead of staying home.

n/t

But I'll settle.

:spray: :scared:

the democratic ticket

Who doesn't bring Hillary's baggage.

Some Super Delegates who have endorsed Hillary:

Mark Pryor
Barbara Boxer
Bill Nelson
Evan Bayh
Barbara Mikulski
Kathleen Kennedy Townsend
Debbie Stabenow
Chuck Schumer
Ted Strickland

Not a Super Delegate, but a Clinton Supporter: Wes Clark

imo. I'm still waiting to hear how as a First Lady of Arkansas and then First Lady in the White House equates to tons of meaningful, relevant experience to be Commander in Chief.

She was wrong on the IWR vote and that is where she lost any support I may have had for her. She is not strong enough to admit it was the wrong vote. Despite her supporters talking about how tough she is. Where was that toughness to perform her job as a Senator?

Strength and toughness in my book means standing up for when you know something is wrong and doing everything you can to stop it. Her self-promotion at the expense of the Democratic party sickens me and yes, I am a middle-aged white woman.

It's not up to me.

Obviously, I'll support whoever's on the ticket. However, I'd prefer it if Hillary wasn't given the VP slot. Firstly, because she has very high negatives, not just with Repukes but with indies too. Secondly, I think that with Obama lacking in experiance, he'll need a highly experianced VP and 8 years as first lady plus 8 as the junior senator of New York isn't enough. I'm thinking someone like Biden or, prior to yesterday, Ted Kennedy. Thirdly, I don't think Hillary would take it if it was offered.

I'm pretty sure that's the way the Clintons would see their role in the WH. No way would they take a back seat.

How many times will this question be asked here in DU GD-P before Obama announces his choice for VP?

Answer: As many times as HRC's campaign staff find different ways to spin the numbers to make it appear that she will be the eventual nominee.

HiLIARy, please, just GET THE F**K OUT!

It will neither heal the party or bring anything but division to the Whitehouse. And then there's the 'Chief Assistant to the Assistant Chief" issue.

Supreme Court nominee, or Ambassador without portfolio.

Randi Rhodes was talking about how the Vice President is elected on a seperate vote by delegates at the convention. If she chooses to RUN for the VP spot, it will be very difficult for the delegates to deny her the position. Remember, nearly half the elected delegates are in her camp, and I suspect that a good number of the supers would be happy to give her the VP spot, as long as Obama is in the front seat.

So, be prepared. The only hope we have is if she DOESN'T want it. And, from her continued campaigning and full speed ahead approach, she clearly wants SOMETHING. Whatever you may call her, she is not stupid and you can bet the farm she will be calculating how best to use her position (a powerful one).

Watch.

I voted for Obama because I don't like voting for Iraq War enablers. Putting Clinton on the ticket would mean I'd have to hold my nose yet again.

Obama's message is Hope and Change. I don't see Hil representing either.