It's going to be a beautiful day when Obama chooses Hillary as his VP candidate.

Then the relentless attacks on her on DU will have to cease.

Yup...beautiful day.

is that you? Holy shit, common ground! :hi:

God forbid he was running for the Democratic nomination right now after being Gore's VP, now that he has finally showed his true colors.

Hopefully President Gore would have alerted the party to Lieberman's true nature and encouraged them to nominate another candidate.
But yeah...:scared:

He was picked to inoculate Gore from the moral turpitude of the Clenis; and it was a bad choice.

Gore made some bad moves that year; he's said so himself. I think he pretty much admitted that picking Joe was one of them, when he endorsed Howard Dean in 2004.

I think the years between then and now have been thrown stark illumination on the character of a lot of figures. Some, Like Al Gore, have seen their stature rise considerably by consistently and unapologetically standing up for what is right.

Others, like Hillary, have diminished their integrity through things like voting for the IWR and refusing to admit it was a mistake.

The way he was talking about her voters it made me realize that this constant harping on "experience" was code for "weak on defense" while HC is "strong on defense" and can prove it with her IWR vote and her plan to obliterate Iran. McCaulif was talking directly to her Neo-con base and their Slaves. This is one of the main reasons she has never demonstrated that she recognizes what that vote means to us, we are not her constituency and she'd piss off her neo-con base.

Sure she didn't vote FOR war, but she did vote for something like a 50:50 chance of war, because she needed to be able to say she is "strong on defense" when it was her turn to run for pResident. She voted for the IWR BECAUSE she planned to run for pResident, not because it was the right thing to do, or those two things are seriously mixed up in her head.

I really have always given her the benefit of the doubt, until this last couple of months. I guess that was a mistake.

The worst part is, in addition to being morally indefensible, it was bad political calculation.

If he'd been Gore's Veep, he'd have toed the Gore line (whatever it was) . . . and have been dumped for someone else in 2004.

If Lieberman had been inaugurated as VP, the Lieberman of today would be far more liberal than the one we're actually seeing.

Also, I suspect that the Lieberman we're actually seeing is influenced by his primary loss in 2006. If he had won the Democratic nomination then, I don't think he would've endorsed McCain this year. His endorsement was, to a great extent, an acting out of his petty animosity toward Democratic voters who dared to spurn him.

Actually more of a nightmare IMO!

Is it going to be cloudy with an 80% chance of thunderstorms?

Although I never really attacked him because I like him just fine and plan to vote for and support him in the GE. I never really got the "I hate this candidate because it's not the one I'm supporting" mentality on here. But I do think that having Hillary as Vice President will solve the rift some Clinton supporters feel very well. :)

as long as their dreaded WICKED WITCH HILLARY *EXISTS* they'll never stop whining - NEVER

:rofl:

It would hurt her chances if she's planning to run in 2012 and they suffer a bad defeat to McCain.

Of course she'd take the VP slot.

And she's convinced Obama will be defeated by McCain. That would ruin any future hopes she would have for the Presidency.

Losing didn't "ruin" it for him. A lackluster campaign this time around did, though.

Obama wouldn't be defeated by McCain in one instance, certainly--and that's with Clinton on the ticket.

Otherwise, I do think he would have some serious difficulty unless he comes up with a really fucking REMARKABLE VP, like say, Gore (which will not happen). I don't think Sam Nunn has the "sparkle" needed. Who knows, though? I doubt he'll make the sale in New England.

The threatened "McCain Democrat" defectors in MA are numerous, pissed off, old and reliable voters. The numbers really surprise me. As does their vociferousness. It's way more than I expected.

x(

:)

The skies will open up, and rainbows will appear, and we'll all have ponies! :sarcasm:

otherwise some will have ponies, others won't.

Maybe a tax, maybe a surcharge, right now, we can't give you any actual specifics.

However, we will promise you ponies.

At least Hillary supporters are starting to get into the acceptance phase. :)

But I would much prefer Sebelius, Kaine, or Richardson over Hillary.

but if it was absolutely NOT going to happen (which I think it will) I could take Sebelius. But I really don't feel any excitement over Richardson. I don't hate him, it's not because I'm "bitter" about the endorsement because honestly I think Edwards would be the best pick after Hillary.

IDK. I never really got why everyone gets so excited over Richardson? Not being snarky or anything, just wanted to ask someone who was really into him on the ticket to see what they thought.

He was my favorite for the nomination before I looked hard at the candidates and changed to Obama late last year. He has 6 years of governorship experience, has foreign experience as US Ambassador to the UN, experience in a major policy area like energy as Energy Sec., could be considered more pro-troop than McCain since he raised the amount of KIA bonus to NM national guard troops' families during his term as governor, and not to mention the latino connection.

that does make him sound better than I thought when you put it all together like that. I wonder if he would really energize the latino vote in that way though. Do you know the percentage of how they turned out for him in the primary? I honestly can't remember that far back this has all been such a rollercoaster ride.

Thank you for the response :)

Just as easily as the Obama machine vilified Hillary ('proving' the Clintons were responsible for the death of welfare, the start of the Iraq War, unemployment, outsourcing and God knows what else), it can just as easily make her Saint Hillary. It may take the Obamabots a few minutes to change gears, but they have no problem being force-fed.

as one Obama supporter. Not a "bot" here.

I will not forget what she has said about Obama being "unelectable" and "not ready to lead" and people "not being safe" with him as president. And he won't either. He may do so out of political expediency, but I will never, ever trust her or accept her as being earnest about taking that spot. Her minions have been trotting out the "anything can happen" theme way too much for comfort.

No one is going to make her built-in negatives disappear either. She owns those and no one else. Obama can do better, but I'll send prayers and well-wishes to him if he feels he needs to take her on. He'll need them.

... it's the one she's running for Vice Presidential nominee. She brings NOTHING to the ticket. States that she'd win, Obama will win. She's got the HIGHEST NEGATIVES of ANY Democrat mentioned for VP. It'd throw BOTH the racists and the misogyinists over to the GOP. Even the "Hillary voters" who'd refuse to vote for Obama WOULDN'T vote for Obama even with her on the ticket. She's not just not a good choice ... she's a terrible choice.

The ONLY "talking heads" pushing for it are the ones pimping for the GOP and McCain. They'd have a field day.

It'd be a GUARANTEED loss in November. Bet on it.

on those threads...the relentless attacks on Obama have been outrageous today.
Please help unite.

I'd rather see Obama as our nominee than Hillary (by far), but I'd rather see Hillary as our nominee before seeing her as VP where she'd muddy Obama's message and spoil his (currently excellent) chances of winning. Hillary is a tough sell, but at the top of the ticket she could possibly win with a specially crafted campaign, but with her as VP candidate, the campaign won't be specially crafted for Hillary so she'd be a huge drag on the ticket.

HRC has beat bho in delegates and total votes and that should alert someone that he cannot win. If he is the nominee then the only way he can win will be to select HRC as the VP.

I don't trust the Clintons his life would be in danger.

I don't think he has a chance in hell of winning the GE, and I'd hate to see her damage her chances in 2012 by linking herself to a candidate who will most likely set a new record for losing by the largest margin.

If a miracle does occur, and he actually makes it to the White House, he's not going to have any real experience in governing. I don't think he seems like the kind of guy who would take advice from a woman, so it would be totally frustrating for Hillary to have to stand back and watch him screw things up.

You REALLY think McCain has a chance in hell? in a year with record primary turnout and record Democratic registration? Against a candidate with a record-breaking fundraising operation and a fifty-state strategy? I want some of what you're smoking, please.

While I think we certainly have a chance to take the White House and I plan to do my part and vote for Obama. I also believe that we are going to have a harder time winning this thing than we originally thought. That isn't exclusive to Obama. I think the same thing if Hillary had gotten the nod. They both have negatives and positives. However, there are many people out there, good democrats, who don't feel there is ANY chance of us winning because of the long drawn out primary season, or the racism (sexism if Hillary had been the nominee) we might encounter, or the horrible lies that the republicans are going to spew, or the sad possibility that they just might cheat. I've been hearing that.

We need to all work really hard, as if we were down in fourth quater the whole way through! It is certainly possible, but I don't think it will be a cake walk by ANY means.


Again, I hope I am wrong and we are just handed the white house! I really do! But there are people out there and they are democrats fear otherwise, and they may have at least semi-valid reasons for it.

Not trying to be mean though. Here's to a great election season and hopefully winning this thing! :)

it takes a special kind of fool to think that the loser of the primary is a better candidate for the GE

They've actually reached the debased point where they make the attacker look far worse than the subject.

But wouldn't it be remarkable if the two got together and...actually worked out an agreement that supporters on both "sides" would have to accept for the sake of party unity?

Then all of us could be doing something more productive than exchanging our nagging, whining, mud-slinging, jeering, and arrogant opinions with each other. Hallelujah day.

The two things cancel each other out. He's a smart man. He knows that. It won't happen.

And her addition to the ballot would make even more McCain Dems stay Dem.

Just imagine seeing all those pigs fly. Beautiful indeed.

But the fact is it will never happen in real life. It is a myth being propped up by the media, but if Obama is truly going to be the change candidate he cannot have Hillary as his VP. It just doesn't make any sense.

How is his administration going to talk about change seriously with the Queen of the Establishment on the ticket?

putting in plugs for her at every opportunity.

but there's no way in hell Obama would pick her as his possible successor. For that's what the v.p. is -- not the Puppetmaster, a role Cheney has perfected.

I'm hoping he chooses someone smart and who has demonstrated an ability to interact with people at both ends of the political spectrum. That's why I look forward to an Obama/Colbert ticket. And that's today's Word.

Hillary on the ticket is a republican wet dream. The have been salivating over the possibility for years.

and gnashing of teeth.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

And the person on here... who bet me $100 to my favorite charity if Clinton was our VP candidate......

:woohoo:

Should I have him send that to the D.U. Hillary supporters popcorn fund? Or... the the "Right to Marry" fund at the UUA? Or to the Yellar Dawg Rescue Fund? Hmmm.....

:kick:

Right now you are not going to get a lot of positive responses from either side due to all the bad blood, but I am actually fine with an Obama/Clinton ticket.

The Obamites have won the nomination by destroying the party. This strikes me as a pyrrhic victory.

Besides, Michelle gets psychotic when she talks about Hillary's husband. This suggests Obama and Hillary will never be a team.

he needs that backstabbing POS DLCer like a kite needs an anchor. Obama is far too classy for that whiny-ass fake.

she loves McCain, Rove, Scaife and all her backroom buddies so much, she can be McCain's VP.

we want change, not a continuation of the Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton good ole boy DLC insider bullshit corporatist politics of the last 50 years.

OP will be rudely awoken one of these days, so it might as well be today.

vomit as being beautiful.
But whatever floats your boat.

pick Pat Buchanan, Sean Hannity or Rush Limbaugh...maybe even Scaife. Same difference.

Oh, he's such a sweet innocent in the messy world of politics. :sarcasm:

:scared: :nuke:

God BLESS Hillary Clinton!

:eyes:

sorry to burst your balloon, but Obama is not a saint.

Whereas, your Goddess IS IN DEBT and CHEATS. Face it, HRC has been SPOILED ROTTEN by decades of power and privilege ... she hasn't a gracious bone in her body. She shames our gender. :nuke:

:evilgrin:

in hell.

...and he's toast. It would be a guaranteed general election loss in November. The ads that the GOP could run from her comments endorsing McCain over Sen. Obama would mean a sweep for McCain.

Obama needs a strong foreign policy expert like Biden to counter McSame's perceived strengths in this area. EVEN IF Clinton had bagged the nom, the southern states would still go for him! She does nothing for Obama.

FOR REPUBLICANS!