Hillary's great showing in Oregon and Landslide Victory in KY

Hillary has won more delegates and elections than Obama in the last four months than he has. Hillary has also proven she is the stronger candidate even though she has been outspent by the Obama campaign sometimes by 2-1 and in some cases 3-1.

We all thought Hillary would finish at 15% to 20% in Oregon. With (at the moment) 88% of the Oregon Vote counted, Hillary is within 16 pts of Obama's luke-warm finish of 58%. Hillary percentage of the Oregon vote is currently at 42%, meaning almost half of Oregonians have contradicted his huge rally numbers by voting for HER instead of Obama.

Of course, we all knew KY was Hillary country. She finished in high respectables with a strong 65% finish to Obama's expected weak 30%...I am surprised though as Obama is the supposed presumptive nominee, he seems to be faltering in the waning hours of these Primarys.

The silver lining in this Obama cloud is this. I'm thankful Hillary is still available to be the Dem nominee since Obama continues in this downward spiral. We need Hillary more than ever now. Our first and foremost mission is insuring a Dem is elected to the Presidency this election cycle.

If Obama can't do it..."WE KNOW HILLARY CAN!"

Go Hillary...Go Dems!

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Obama can't seem to close and besides at this stage of the game, neither can win the nomination strictly by the delegate count.

Hillary is done. Its just convincing her to get off the stage that is going to take a while.

The dynamics have changed... It will be a brokered convention.

If you think that entitles her to a "brokered convention" I have some ocean front property in Atlanta I'd like to sell you.

It says so in the Rules. Whoever will be the strongest representative of the Democrats against the Republican nominee will be the designated Dem nominee. Super D's are felixble. It is their job to back the candidate at the convention that is the "strongest" after the Primarys are over. That would make the delegate count an ambivalent criteria for now since neither candidate can achieve the necessary count to be the designated nominee.

really?

and mismanaged her campaign so badly is a person of strength. :rofl:

all of which have lost their race for the Presidency?

And the only person she has in her camp is Bill.

For us, a divisive convention in August would be a nightmare. Tellurian seems to want a Rethug dream, now.

Nice talking to you, though...

I'll save you the trouble, no we lost badly and ushered in the era of Reagan and Bush(s)

Jerk. Dragging up old shit from 1980 to trash Ted Kennedy? Nice timing asshole. BTW: the brokered convention probably did usher in the Reagan era.

31Mill in the hole. She needs to go before she has to sell her dog for reparations. she still owes penn 4.8mill. who needs this?

In 1980, he had bowed out of the race hours before the convention when he realized he couldn't win, and he delivered a speech before the convention in support of Carter and the DNC. He had the grace to realize he had lost and got behind his party. What you suggest is that Hillary has every right to tear her party apart because she lost. Don't even mention her and Kennedy in the same fucking sentence.

I know they're out there. KEEP THE DREAM ALIVE!B-)

You do realize that every time we have a brokered convention we lost the GE right!!!!!!!!!!!


Take your head out of your ass PLEASE!

You have read the DNC Rules I imagine..yes?

apportionments early on.

Something has to give under this pressure.

and he still wins handily.

essentially a caucus?

:rofl:

rookie.

Obama 08.

That's who it is germane to.

always germaine every time. she didn't close it against obama on Supertuesday. I do recall he kicked her butt. But then, he did that in Iowa and so did Edwards. What a shocker to ms inevitability. been trying ever since but hasn't managed it.

Hillary had a 40 point lead when we began and she couldn't "close". I don't know why you're harping on Obama.

You guys are delusional. The undeclared super-delegates were waiting for a winner in the pledged delegate counts. Obama will pick up the supers he need after this and then he will have his majority. That's all he needs and he does NOT need to put Hillary on his ticket.

There are lots of white female politicians out there. The only thing unique about Clinton is her high negative ratings, the 10 years of reruns that Faux news has ready to spring on us and her $20 million debt acrued in a futile campaign to capture a nomination that had become probabilistically out of her reach.

:rofl:

Have you been back to PR lately? How are they receiving the fact they are having a Presidential Primary?

and I'd say people are kind of excited because they are getting some attention from the Clintons and the Obamas, apart of the American press, but I'd say most people don't see the significance of voting in the primaries.

Based on what I've seen as well, I'd say Hillary will win there by 8% to 10%, given that Obama has a strong political machine down there but his camp hasn't put too much effort in comparison to the Clinton camp, who has been very diligent in courting the PR vote.

I've been to PR many, many times. The weather is so beautiful and the friendliness and hospitality of the people was always outstanding. We always loved our trips there to Old San Juan and having fun at the casinos and above all the lovely beaches and the deep azure blue waters lapping the coast line..

I'm not surprised at the excitement there. Everyone has a chance to share the excitement and get involved in the process of picking a President.. Good on PR!

Thanks for the response, Katz.

I see you have sweat dripping onto the keyboard........:wow:

and your opponent has moved on to bigger and better things.

Be a sore loser? I know she CAN'T lose graciously, that is for sure.

Obamites make me ill - gloating bloated headcases all of you. And if Hillary were to win, I wonder if you would bother voting. From the spite and arrogance on "liberal" DU alone, I don't think most of you can give that an honest answer, or one that you would follow up the actual act of voting in reality.

However, since both candidates by extension of their position on equal marriage are technically against California's decision, the candidates themselves both make me ill.

You have to admit it is a bit retarded to vote for the person with the most votes as the only reason you're voting. Isn't that what the BO crowd claims to be doing every time they say "Do the math, don't vote for Hillary she can't win."?

vote for Hillary if she were the nominee. The same can't be said for the many Hillarites here who are screaming that they won't even consider voting for Obama, that they'd either stay home or actually vote for McInsane. Yeah, but they're not sore, ungracious losers. They sure as hell can't call themselves true Democrats if they're really serious.

there are real democrats on both sides who will vote for the part, but let's be honest here.

I've remained completely cool to both candidates for my own reasons, and have popped back here from time to time, and I can tell you directly and without bias; of the two kinds of supporter assholes I've observed here, Obama supporters tend to have the larger diameter.

I know it's cheap to talk about the candidate's supporters rather than the candidate's issues, but all I see here are people talking about voting for the person with the most votes and "rock stars" and nastiness. Where are the discussions of proposals and solutions?

Giving a gospel rant about generic change does NOTHING for me. I don't want faith based politics. I want administration of public safety, foreign policy, healthcare and shared finite resources. That is all. If neither candidate can speak to those issues in concrete terms then they're both not worth voting for. I am seriously underwhelmed at this point.

Yes, of course I want "hope". But more than that I want effective knowledge, presence, and leadership in government, so I remain disappointed in both candidates.

I am comparing Obama to the Clintons. Unlike you, anonymous posters on the internet don't influence me at all. Clinton's online supporters could all be angels, it wouldn't make me like them any more.
Obama has been as gracious as any other Dem nominee winner. The Clintons have been sore losers, laying blame on everyone but themselves. There was no such behavior from Dodd, Biden, Edwards, RIchardson or Kucinich.

And by the way, I think the Clintons are bad candidates and mediocre human beings, but I would still vote for them if they got the nomination. I couldn't live with myself if I sat on my hands and let McCain win.

All we're doing is asking you to see the writing on the wall and exit gracefully. Hillary has burned quite a bit of cash and forced Obama to burn quite a bit of cash over something that was a 95% lock for Obama.

I personally don't am exasperated that you folks cannot understand that Faux News is baiting Democrats to nominate Hillary so they can take her down. I'm exasperated that you folks will not admit that Hillary is getting 10% of her support from crossover Republicans who have absolutely no intent to vote for her in the general election.

I'm just saying.

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up to the closet racists in the party. Including boasting about her support among "hard-working whites"; translation, playing up racial stereotypes of the "lazy" black. Etc., etc., etc.

He didn't mean it of course, and only did so after being caught red handed.

gimme one credible news source for your statement.

"Go Dems" is a great messsage. Thanks for layering that in.

GO DEMS is what it's come to whether it upsets people or not. It's reality!

too civil. Thank you.

You mean she's still running? :rofl:

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Tune in to msnbc. So many excuses coming from the BO Campaign...you could write a book!

It's like Obama's supporters are a bunch of silly immature children browbeating everyone else for not voting for their team. It's really an unflattering portrait of both their political acumen and their intellect.

To be fair, kudos for their enthusiasm. To be fair, enthusiasm on the other side is what gave us George Dubya.

One of your statement is inaccurate:

"To be fair, enthusiasm on the other side is what gave us George Dubya."

The 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen. Never forget that.

You identify your greatest weaknesses and project them onto your opponent leaving them shocked and flabbergasted that you could make such an outrageously shockingly stupid statement with a straight face.

Continue dissembling about how she's won the popular vote? Continue what exactly.

:eyes:

:shrug:

NGU.

only in crazy world does 58 = lukewarm but 65 = strong.

I suspect if he got to 65, you'd use the exact same language.

Just amazing in it's craziness.

Good bye Hillary.

Her arteries are clogged with plaque and trans-fat.. So, she's been relegated to a very strict diet of veggies. Her DR prescribed loads of exercise and resting her voice until she is called upon by DNC.

I wouldn't call 58% a "lukewarm" finish and I sure as hell wouldn't call losing by sixteen percent a "great showing." If it were the other way around, you sure as hell wouldn't be claiming it as just a "lukewarm" finish. No way.

It appears that you, like your Queen and many of her subjects, are both sore losers as well as winners. Not to mention ungracious.

Remember the 2000 "mandate" and the 2004 "landslide". When you're taking your plays form George Orwell, it cannot be good for the Democratic process.

At the end of the day, the proportional representation system has been counted and Obama WON!!! The superdelegates will come along.

Just goes to show that you have zero credibility.

Lies.

Why do you do this? Seriously... what is your motivation?

Am I the only one who's noticed that Senator Clinton's rabid supporters do not call her "Senator Clinton" or even just "Clinton", but "Hillary"? You don't see Obama supporters routinely referring to him as "Barack" or McCain supporters calling him "John". You never see, or hear, "Barack wins Oregon" or "Hateful racist bat-shit psychopath John Hagee endorses John for president". What's up with that? It's like a weird personality cult thing going on with Clinton. Do these people actually feel like they have some close personal relationship with her?

There's one with a halo of red and white stripes behind her profile that is straight out of a "holy card" design.

:rofl:

when Hillary wasn't expected to do well at all..

n/t

Well 1656 delegates is better than 1498 delegates. And at this point ... it's a majority of delegates from eligible primaries.

So you see, Obama won the majority of the pledged delegate count. Watch the superdelegates come along for the ride.

$31 million in debt.

Getting crushed in fund raising.

Has now lost the pledged delegate race given ANY reasonable split of FL and MI.

Trailing Obama TERRRIBLY in national polling.

Obama CRUSHING both Clinton and McCain in national polling.

Pelosi supers endorsement coming up.

What world do you live in, anyway?

Who thought that? I've been looking at the old polling numbers at Real Clear Politics, and at no time was anybody predicting a blowout like that. ONE POLL had a 55-35 split, but the RCP Average was 52-40 and the race ended up 58-42. Pretty much as predicted.

So sell this line of BS somewhere else.

contains a hate site.

and what is good for Hillary's ambitions permanently mixed up in her head.

hillary voted for the IWR and obama voted to continue to fund it. same war. same choice made by both.

on edit: obama voted to fund it 7 times since he came to the senate! is that some kind of record or what? and how do you rationalize that to yourself?

So when you want to vote against money for combat, you also MUST vote against money for Veterans' services and Military Families.

You also know, of course, that the Troops MUST be redeployed BEFORE you cut off money for combat, otherwise you are leaving them in harms' way without the tactical support that they need to protect themselves.

IF

you are a responsible citizen, you know these things and you don't lie about them.

But what else can we expect from people who go around lying about the count of the popular vote. That wouldn't happen to be you would it? Please accept my apologies if it isn't and comment on the points I make about bundled funding and the redeployment of our Troops.

both of them are on the wrong side of everything.

records, there is very little differences between the two. personally, i see no difference between someone who voted for the IWR & someone who voted to fund it 7 times. i'm sure the families of the troops who have died see very little difference too. it is what it is. read up. you might learn something.

you don't vote for something abhorrent that is included in other things. a NO vote means NO & obama didn't vote NO. he voted YES to continue to fund the war 7 times.

we are talking about ending the pentagon's ability to wage an illegal war by cutting off funding.

what it would require to send the troops back home. it only cuts off the military's ability to wage war. is this a hard concept for you to understand or what?

i know whereof i speak. ever heard of know-nothings? you can't even put together a coherent argument for voting FOR funding to continue to wage an illegal war.

talking to you is like talking to a wall

The same body of law that made the war illegal authorized the occupation.

In the last funding bill, several of the Senators who voted against the War including Robert Byrd, Patty Murray and Dick Durbin voted for the funding bill. They were against the War and are against continuing the occupation, but it is an absolute myth that you could force Bush and Cheney to withdraw the troops if you simply cut funding.

You could though ensure the election of McSame while not getting a single troop out of Iraq. Actually you couldn't cut funding even if Pilosi, Reid, Dean, Obama and Clinton demanded it, because the real super majority in congress is the coalition of Republicans + Blue Dog Dems + New Dems who would never go along with cutting funds to deployed troops.

Nobody in the Senate argued more passionately against the invasion than Robert Byrd. If you think he is as culpable for the war as those who voted for the IWR then ........

just wish you didn't have to do it here.

Laughable.

:rofl:

Wow, you must not have had much faith in your candidate. Point me to a poll that showed that. The Real Clear Politics average was Obama +12. But congrats on Kentucky.

Losing by maybe 16pts in Oregon is by any standard...NOT a Landslide loss. Obama lost in KY by 35pts; YES, Obama's loss in KY represents the perfect example for you to emulate.

That'll teach him to get all uppity.

True Hillary kicked ass in Kentucky and West Virginia. Guess what, when you add up all the delegates ... Obama wins. You sound like a 300# shot putter competing in a decathalon.

if C isn't the nominee. So, who the heck ARE these people in WV & KY? Are they the same ones who are saying Race is the determiner in their exit polls?

They are Mr. and Mrs. "I've had enough with the "Husseins" democrats. In other words, republicans

That's only because 20% of them are Republicans who never had any intention of voting for Hillary in the general election.

Good show, Hillary!

she didn't...a piddly 16pts is a win!

there is no way she is going to win the nomination. Not saying whether she SHOULD or not, and frankly, I'll vote for a blue dog on the Dem ticket. I just don't see how it is even possible. Not to be cliche, but look at the math. And the superdelegates have no guts to take any kind of stand.

I K&R 1000 times!

Hillary got her ass kicked in Ore, get over it.

Youtube hate pieces do you have for us today?

you are confused. Fact does not = HATE. Besides...I don't hate BO...I just think, beeeeeeeep!!! HE IS THE WEAKEST LINK. Good Bye!

Your Pixar rip off yesterday was so delightfully fact based. Hillary is a giant ugly bird and Obama supporters are tiny fat birds I guess was the message.

tisk tisk...why so angry? can't seal the deal?

After being told I belong to a cult for 6 months I'm enjoying watching you guys engage in truly cult like behavior. Also the longer this drags on the more her name is damaged if it wouldn't hurt our chances in November I'd love to see her dragged from the convention floor screaming.

When she finally is eliminated I will feast on the sweet juice of your bitter tears.

the longer this continues, is an opportunity for Obama to be scrutinized! Like Hillary has for 20 years. This MSM give away to Obama will end soon.. watch.

:hi:

We've with stood all your slime before we'll with stand it some more.

Hillary is damaged goods.

Her concession speech will become my ringtone.

Maybe 15? 16? It can't be much older than that. There's no way a grown woman acts like you without severe mental challenges.

She's been underfunded, some of her former campaign staff leaves much to be desired. TG for Howard Wolfson! Everyone was counting her out...and as Maya Angelou keeps chanting.."RISE HILLARY RISE"...She does and she keeps going. People are beginning to realize she is a diamond and we never throw our diamonds away. If everyone would just settle down and realize we need a DEM in the WH in 09' no matter who it is, we would all get along..

Underfunded and mismanaging your millions are not the same thing.

Beat him by hundreds of thousands yesterday!

You must be one of those "low information voters" Axlerod keeps yaking about?

with 88% of the Oregon vote in.. here are the uptodate msnbc totals:

Obama...331,138

Clinton..236,470

If you do the math...Obama has a 94,668 lead..

That is by no means a crushing victory for Obama.

OTOH, the KY Primary where Hillary's victory is by an overwhelming 250,000 votes.

That is a crushing victory for Hillary over Obama in my book.

n/t

Only if you throw out the votes of Caucaus voters. As if somehow people who show the dedication to stand around for hours count less then people who just stand in line.

Look, there is a process in place. The rules were settled upon. That is how we decide. You don't change the rules in the middle of the game.

not to mention $100,000,000 in debt.

as soon as they see a surge in preference.. no worries about the debt. They will all get paid.

I've heard the complaints about Hillary loaning her campaign money. When someone puts in their own money backing themselves in any endeavor you know damn well that person is committed and resolved to be successful. The easiest thing in the world is using OP..Other People's money. When you put up your own money to stay in the game that is a "Tell" as they say in poker, because you know you have a good chance of winning.

Tell

:kick:

And properly so.

Umm, he is outspending Hillary because he is RAISING way more money than her. He has done so for months, despite having lower name recognition. Moreover, that money advantage is the result of grassroots support that is approaching 2 million donors now. Obama's money advantage is not a negative, it shows how deep his support is and it shows how vastly superior he's run his campaign.

my post wasn't knocking him at all. My post was in reference to Hillary's strength through all her trials and tribulations and especially her once cash strapped campaign. She has persevered through it all, winning five of the last primarys and proving herself not only worthy of the title Madame President, but ready to do what needs to be done to successfully lead this country from day one.

came from her poor decisions in selecting her campaign staff and in charting the course of (managing) her campaign?

Seriously now, considering how poorly she's done in selecting her staff and in managing her campaign, do you really think she is qualified to be President. We've suffered through 8 years of a lousy administration, and particularly, a President who thinks that the United States revolves around him.

The very last thing that this country needs is another four years under a new, but equally deluded President who thinks that this country should revolve around her.

:bounce::patriot: !!! HILLARY !!! :patriot::bounce:

distance.

:kick:

and drink koolaid!

Imagine the football team that scores a meaningless TD in the waning minutes claiming victory because they scored last, even though they lost by 4 scores.

"It's not fair, the other team scored all their TDs in the 1st half! We should be declared the winner!"

They would be laughed off the field.

So are any Hillary supporters who push this lame line of defense.

It's when the game is tied, as is this race now showing.. msnbc just said, the Superdelegates have not voted yet. They may have chosen a side, but until they vote at the Convention, there is NO designated nominee.

50-50 would be a tie.

It's not 50-50. You just wish it was.

:patriot:

n/t

there's a lot of real intelligence over there.

on taking in the GE a better outcome than a solid win in a state where the outcome is a likely win in November? We're not in the GE, yet, so 'winning' states like Kentucky doens't really do much to contribute to the goal of taking back the White House.

if the first african american to make it this far in a presidential candidacy, leading in delegates, leading in popular vote, has his nomination taken from him because someone thinks he isn't as strong as he has proven he is over and over.

Talk about party unity. I'm sure AA's and educated folks will come out in droves to vote.

She has done better. Especially since he did not even campaign in WV and Kentucky..

He is just letting her have some fun now.

The tragedy is Clinton's vain ambition. When she was on the ropes, she decided to take Obama down instead of playing it clean. She decided to make up that stupid Tusla story. If not for these things (and her massive ego), she could have been the VP on the ticket. Now we're left with this destructive argument.

It's over. Obama will be the nominee and Clinton will NOT be on the ticket. If you're all so gung-ho on a women on the ticket, there's more then just her.

gender.

tells me all I need to know about you.

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whats new about that?

if anybody thinks we will actually carry KY in the GE regardless of the nominee... youre fucking crazy.

sorry.
i mean, unless we want to start using the politics republicans use (because they know it works on people here)... which is fear and religously based.... but you can count me out on doing that.

if i wanted a conservative leaning president, id vote republican personally... and so will they in the GE.

in kentucky, you register Democratic if you want to be involved in deciding things at all. if you want to vote in a primary, you better be a democrat. its been pass down from generation to generation to register democrat..... even as a small child i recall being told i better register democratic if i ever wanted to get anywhere in my area ;)
lol.

im sorry, but i dont want to court conservatives. i dont want my party to be a 'big tent' and includes fundy wackos. im sorry. i just dont.

When are you people going to quit with the mindbendingly stupid attempts of finish line adjustment?

made a deal with the Devil to live long enough to make the "pitch" of his life? Lately when I hear HRC advisers, surrogates, and supporters, I'm reminded of that episode.

Obama clinched the pledge delegate Vote with his win in Oregon. Hillary is falling farther behind and she's running out of time and potential votes.

I really don't know why some people can't see it. It's over and Hillary isn't going to the convention with the majority of pledge delegates. Furthermore every pledge delegate Obama picks up from here on out means one less super-delegate he'll need at the convention.

OP: Hillary has won more delegates and elections than Obama in the last four months.

Since Jan 21?

Remember those 11 in a row Obama won?

Basically, Obama won up through Super Tuesday by a little bit. Then won the 11 in a row. Then Hillary has won since then by a little bit.

If not for the 11 in a row, it would be a tie. As they say -- Other than that, how did you like the play Mrs. Lincoln?

:eyes:

Take time from your parallel universe and read the news sometime.
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