Michelle Obama is fair game.

Sorry, but she is.

Bill Clinton, a spouse of a candidate, is attacked constantly. Why not Michelle?

As long as Michelle Obama opens her mouth at a podium or lectern in the advancement of her husband's candidacy and has the potential to be the First Lady, the "Proud" American MO is fair game to political scrutiny.

Screw you and the horse you rode in on if you don't like it.

How's that?

I can't believe a dem on this board is actually proclaiming a candidate's wife "fair game".

I guess you missed the threads where Chelsea was dogged on these boards when she was asked at a rally about her father's sexual scandals.

much less another dem.

so I assume your wife and kids are fair game too then if someone is competing with you?

it's ironic that the same people who think it's perfectly fine to attack Michelle Obama are also the same people who demanded that woman who called Hillary a monster resign, that Randi Rhodes should be fired for calling Hillary a whore and who tried to get David Shuster fired for saying the Clintons were pimping out Chelsea.

She talks to small crowds and never talks to the press.

Those threads?

understand the campaign trail and how it works. Getting up on a stage and endorsing a candidate places you in a different category. You become a "public figure" and open to scrutiny.

Sorry.

BTW I support the same candidate as you do - it is not an issue of who... It is just not really an issue.

they publicly endorse and campaign for a candidate. They are adults. Shit will fly in all directions.

:eyes:

NO. Hillary having Bill on the stump made it almost impossible for Obama not to have Michelle as his surrogate. In a way, it was VERY unfair to her...

But I think to go head to head on the stump countering Bill Clinton and come out on top is a pretty ASTOUNDING feat.

Obama/Obama 08!!! WOOT!

Spouses have been on the campaign trail for a very long time and well before Bill opened his mouth.

It happens every election cycle.

I'm guessing you weren't around in previous primary cycles, but especially not around in 2004, when Howard Dean and his wife, Judith, were criticized because she preferred to remain in Vermont, practicing medicine.

...just had to reply, didn't you?

...you don't say that on the posts that attack Hillary on a personal level, do you?

No you don't.

In fact, you've started threads that have attacked Hillary on a personal level.

Hypocrite.

...don't deny it.

You think people go around bookmarking your posts?

You have way too high of an opinion of yourself.

You're not that special (or intelligent).

Okay....


You are harboring Osama Bin Laden...

Not to mention providing intel for Kim Jong-il.

OH, and you smothered 45 children during your baby sitting years.


...don't deny it.

Anger: "Why me? It's not fair."

He needs one.

Posted it just for you. You're a little thin-skinned, aren't you?

I didn't see that coming.

In Australia, when you call a girl "fair game" it means she's a hot ticket.

trust me they don't want opened!!!!!!!

Of course in Australia when call a girl "pretty hot" it means that she's married and has a very jealous husband.

I love Aussies hahahaha. Colonized by wankers just like us :P

Finally something worth reading in this thread hah.

At some point in the next ten years, whatever you make up about the weird phrases they use will eventually come true.

Because she comes with that beer distributorship, and a lot of guys are partial to that :)

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...another Internet tough guy feels the need to defend himself. :eyes:

You threw out the "if you don't agree screw you"

Ok then, dem vet: internet warrior

BRING IT ON. I said. BRING. IT. ON.

:rofl:

One note about BC, though. He IS a former president, which would make him fair game whether his wife was running or not.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

;)

you rode in on if you don't like it. And Hillary and Bill are free to defend her. Just as Obama is free to defend Michelle. And you're free to slobber all over John and Cindy when Hill drops out.

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you seem a wee bit distraught. And I certainly do NOT respect that corrupt pos, John McCain. Serving in the military and even being a POW doesn't excuse his corruption or the damage he's inflicted on this country.

slow the caffine intake...I'm not certain I agree on the Chelsea attack thing... you have children , right? I think I read that before..

Dem's should NOT be attacking other DEm's children, no matter the age. She supports her mother AND DOES NOT TRASH BO WHILE REPRESENTING..MICHELLE ANOTHER STORY!


:hi:

slow the caffine intake...I'm not certain I agree on the Chelsea attack thing... you have children , right? I think I read that before..

Dem's should NOT be attacking other DEm's children, no matter the age. She supports her mother AND DOES NOT TRASH BO WHILE REPRESENTING..MICHELLE ANOTHER STORY!


:hi:

Of course, in Australia, "anal" refers to kangaroos.

"uppity."


:sarcasm:

...too loose with her yap.

You Hill folks talk out both sides of your mouth and your ass at the same time.

When you venture into attacks on a spouse's patriotism that she already explained, it's like the STUPIDITY of Obama wearing "a flag pin."

It's MEAN-SPIRITED and plays into the "stereotype" of the "Angry Black Mammy" ... it's fucking sick but I don't think the Tennessee Republicans will snag any other voters than those prone to be racist anyway.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp_7nnIvWJM
MO...could be worse...just sayin..

\http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVsXtuQg7tU


“I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she’s feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal.” - Barack Obama, February 15, 2008
Periodically when she’s feeling down, her claws come out, she is likable enough, she likes twisting the knife, she threw the kitchen sink at me, her foreign policy

experience is sipping tea with foreign dignitaries, etc. — Barack Obam

Sexist much?????

:eyes:

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A true mark of intelligence. :eyes:

the Repubs have no concern whether an attack is "fair" or not so the issue is moot.

If you are talking about the primary, that "game" is over. Hillary ran a very hard race, for which she is to be commended, but even she is promoting unity over divisiveness now. If you want to follow Hillary, follow her lead in that regard.

Hmmmmm... Rupert Murdoch and Richard Mellon Sciafe. I guess so.

NGU.

NGU.

The Rape-Publicans trashed Hillary, so that makes it okay for her to trash fellow Dems and to suck up to the very Rape-Publicans who trashed her?

:crazy:

NGU.

:shrug:

You'd think she's still 12 years old?!? :(

But if you do political speaking, you should expect criticism.

As are Bill's.

Irrational slander of either one is not.

If you are a fucking low life bottom feeder a la "Lee Atwater" and "KKKarl Rove" ilk, then FIRE AWAY.

You should be so proud of SMEAR CAMPAIGNS that are based on "a lie?" :puke:

I also understand exactly why Michelle said what she said and fully concur with it.

But when Michelle is stumping for Barack, then she's not off the table. And this isn't an attack of her to say that. I happen to believe that Michelle's a very capable woman and can defend her own positions quite easily. Don't you?

Racist attacks are and have always been self-condemning. But someone might hear Michelle say what she said and have legitimate questions about it, questions she is very capable of answering. Respect is a two-way street.

There is no choice between the smart, beautiful woman and the Joe Blow with a rackfulla guns in my mind. And kudos on Barack for defending his wife.

ETA: And you really should read before posting. I said quite plainly that irrational slander of either spouse was not fair game, only their stated positions when campaigning for their spouses.

P.S. You should consider NOT promoting such divisive politics.

Spouses who are NOT politicians should be "off limits" ... yes even Chelsea Clinton.

Family members who stump for their spouses ARE acting as politicians. Yes, even Chelsea.

They shouldn't be attacked personally or in a divisive way.

One, however, not afflicted with KDS (kneejerk disorder syndrome). You look at "hot issues" objectively, to the best of your ability.

You're the kind of O supporter I like, someone who doesn't see malicious/racist/sexist intent behind every post written.

:thumbsup:

Barack is right when he says that he should be the main event, and that Tennessee GOP ad did start trodding really close to the line, both in intent and content. (Playing Michelle's comment and then showing that guy next to his gun rack? Mm-hmm, sure, they didn't mean anything by it...)

But people are going to be puzzled by Michelle's remarks, especially when it's yanked out the context she uses and displayed against the obvious benefits she's received from being the daughter of both America and a hard-working set of parents.

However, once they've questioned, people should be willing to hear her out, because she does a great job of explaining what she means. That GOP ad showed no ability to question and listen. It only puffed up and condemned.

stereotype. Gee, if you truly and Obama supporter - that's just amazing. :eyes:

Learn to read what I say. When that comment gets ripped out of context, people are going to hear it and ask questions. The honest will seek her out, ask questions, and listen to her answer.

The dishonest will continue to condemn her with extreme prejudice, allowing not an actual single word she actually says affect their idiotic opinion of her.

Do you get it yet? You are doing to me exactly what those racists and fuckwads are doing to Michelle. Now quit it.

The state that wouldn't even vote for its adopted native son, Al Gore. Strange attitudes. The weird thing is, when I lived there, I ran with a group of whites, blacks, and Native Americans. So I still am kind of puzzled by the bigotry displayed by that state because that wasn't my experience.

However, this is the state that characterized Harold Ford as a white-woman-chasing playboy. If this ad is the worst the GOP tosses at Obama, it's tame.

How fucking noble. :nuke:

You know they are TWISTING what she already explained to promote a racial stereotype as well as foment a personal attack. (Michelle Obama is NOT patriotic).

Yeah, that's so "FAIR game." :(

Let the Tennessee GOP go out on a limb so far they fall off. You knew this was coming, and Michelle is no dainty flower with a delicate mouth. She packs a punch. If she wants to dish it out, let her take it, too. You can bet that Axelrod and others have been very judicious about counseling Michelle to watch not only what she says, but how she says it. You want to claim that they're racist, too?

I saw Michelle's press conference where she was explaining her "never been proud" and "never been so proud" statements. She ended up with some convoluted explanation of her pride in Barack and America and then mewling, "think about the children, it's for the children."

Those "proud" statements of hers are the gift that keeps on giving to the GOP. She stepped in it, big-time. Buck up and admit it.

Ladies and Gentleman, I rest my case. :evilgrin:

:evilgrin:

:eyes:

If you actually read what I say, instead of puffing up and attacking, you will find your answer to that question in what I have already said.

ETA: Hint - my very first post in this thread.

...racist about attacking MO politically.

If you know what I mean.

You are a sad and angry person.

Scientology. Google the words "fair game scientology" and you will be sufficiently creeped out.

Are you going to talk about "lynching" her too, like your buddy O'Reilly?

But I do know you're not a man.

Is that the best you got? Quit playing with daddy's computer.

actually playing with your father's computer. Please stop.

What a small, small man you must be. I'm sure your daddy is proud.

...John McCain with all those feelings.

Sen. Clinton hung tough, but it's time to concentrate on defeating McCain.

Deep breath....really...I think we're all on the same side.

about the content, then she sure is fair game. If you mean looking under a rock about things that have mean nothing to the election at hand, well she's not fair game. I have a problem with the term "fair game" which is more a hunting term about what can be shot at any particular point of time. By using the term it sounds like all candiadtes relatives, spouses, and siblings can be picked off at will if they open their mouths. Nice country you think we have.

"If you mean she gives a speech and is questioned
about the content, then she sure is fair game."

That's exactly what I meant.

of a "sound byte" is disingenuous. It's NOT what you call *FAIR* ... skewing a statement that has been explained and ALL HER other behavior would indicate that she's PATRIOTIC, is just plain LOW LIFE DISGUSTING. It further, plays into the meme of racists: Angry BLACK.

Such "PERSONAL" and "CLEARLY ERRONEOUS" smears are WRONG on so many levels.

You know that, deep down, don't you?

Can't you feel the love?

What gives with that? :shrug:

We are on the DU ~~ and that means we support Obama and that implies that we do NOT attack his wife. Maybe there is another site that is more suited to you and your hatred of Michelle Obama?

You and HRC click your ruby slippers and say three times, "There's no place like the racist south."

Just perhaps, you too can make ALL "hard working WHITE Americans" to vote against the uppity black man with the scary preacher? :crazy:

...another "Help me I'm a victim post." :eyes:

Need I say more? So who do you expect to be the nominee? :eyes:

not to mention a past President.

and a bigot ... and a racist ... who LIES ... and CHEATS ... all for that God Almighty POLITICAL Power. :thumbsdown:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oRwZQLdhEw

Bill Clinton is a little more than just a candidate's "spouse." He's a professional politician and a former two term President of the United States of America! Unlike Bill and Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama hasn't spent the majority of her life trying to get elected to office or trying to get her spouse elected to office. She also has two small children she is raising so, unlike Bill Clinton, she's not out there every single day on the stump giving speeches and holding fundraisers.



Bill Clinton is not only used to being in the national spotlight, he craves it. Unlike Michelle, he's used to being bombarded with questions from the press, he's a pro when it comes dealing with the media. When it comes to politics, he has a lifetime of experience over her!



Bill Clinton is anything but your average spouse who finds him or herself thrust into the national spotlight simply because his or hers spouse decides to seek national office.



Is that really that hard to understand?

In the commercial they use of her they edit her words, she says for the first time in my life I am r-proud.

Also if they can go after MO, then all the women Bill slepted with get to be front and center again

and Cindy McSame, gets the same treatment

She was in the oval orifice., office :evilgrin:


Screw you and the horse you rode in on if you don't like it :rofl:

...pic in your sig. Reminds me of:

or just fucking stupid?

I don't agree with going after the spouse if they are not out making speeches, but if they are stumping for their spouse, anything they say during these speeches is in bounds.

Chelsea was in bounds once she began actively campaigning for her mother. Cindy's Tax Returns are defiantly fair game. Michelle's remarks during a campaign speech are fair game.

Whether we like it or not, Michelle's comment is red meat for republicans and they will use it when it comes to the GE. I think the GOP is willing to gamble that Michelle's comment will be a bigger issue to voters in the Ohio, Penn, and Wisconsin than Cindy's tax returns.

If the Repigs want the African-American vote to hit nearly 100% for Obama, I suggest they play the "Pick On The Wife" game...

:rofl:

If ppl think Michelle Obama is fair game....

You will reap what you sow. I will not stand quietly for it. If you thought Lewinsky shit was a walk in the park. You ain't seen nothing yet.

we better run for cover then. :eyes:

You can roll your eyes hard until they pop out of your head.

...fighting for your candidate when the Nomination ISN'T sewed up yet.

Who would have thought?

Explain how she will get 105% of the remaining delegates.

You were one of the first to make my list of "stupid motherfuckers who dont know a goddamn thing but continue to shoot their mouths off"...

And here you are yet again.

Piece of shit is what you are.
Blow me like Monica did Billy, k?

Your language betrays your intelligence...or lack thereof, to be more precise.

and gee, what did you win?
Did you manage to piss of a whole bunch of like minded progressives and Democrats?
Is that 'winning' for you?
Take the fuck you swallow and get your ass back to hillaryis44....

You are one sorry p.o.s., no doubt, even a guy as dumb as me knows this.

...betrays your lack of intelligence. Try to do better to keep it hidden, okay?

part of your OP that is so flavorful is the "screw you" part. Was that necessary? I doubt it. I do not understand the insult as anything except flame-bait.

I believe Michelle is certainly fair game because she has placed herself on the campaign trail and is making public speeches endorsing her husband -This places her directly in the crosshairs of people who will nitpick her and Obama to death.

If I were to go out in public, stand up with a mic and endorse a candidate I sure as hell would expect to be dissected by the media.

I understand Senator Obama's urge to protect his wife but really, it isn't valid.

Bill Clinton was the President and is still somewhat of a political figure, so it's a little different when someone attacks him. That said, it's pointless to attack spouses period since they aren't ones running.

and why Bill had to seek sexual satisfaction outside of his marriage. That's fair too, right?

If a wife/husband chooses to campaign for her/his spouse and is out on the stump making speeches, then he/she is fair game. Hillary was fair game back in 1992 and Bill has been more than fair game this primary. Heck, even Chelsea has been criticized!!

A little perspective. One of the reasons Hillary has such negatives is because of the game plan of the rightwing to attack spouses or have you forgotten that Hillary was a First Lady at one time? If this garbage appeals to you, then issues don't IMO.

Bill Clinton is not a fair comparison. Obviously, he's in a class by himself. He's the last Democratic president, he is still possibly the most powerful man in the party. His power played a big role in getting Hillary the senate seat in the first place. Hillary's 35 years of experience includes 8 years as first lady while Bill was president.

Michelle Obama's situation is more like that of all the recent first ladies Laura Bush, Hillary Clinton (as first lady, when she should not have been fair game), Barbara Bush, Nancy Reagan, Rosalyn Carter, Betty Ford, Pat Nixon, Lady Bird Johnson, Jackie Kennedy.

Screw you back.

Piss off little boy.

and no more mean words like fairytale!!

Waaaa waaaaaa waaaaaaaa

lol..

NGU.

hell yes let`s drag them through the sewer...yup lets do the same to hillary!

i prefer to screw my wife- you can screw your horse

...nevermind, I won't bring your wife in on it, you already did.

Anyway, just imagine what I'm thinking. ;)

I guarantee the ones advocating that Michelle Obama is "fair game" were the first ones whining when Bill Clinton was running for office and Hillary was being attacked by the Republicans.

And using Michelle for a misspoken phrase, is a distraction from Barack and the issues.

Its the old politics of running away from the issues.

This is 2008 and that old gray mare ain’t what she used to be

...MO is running also.

She should keep her yap muzzled.

you know he would.

now be a good little hillbot and go fuck yourself.

If they start going THERE, she's pretty screwed (homewrecker, drug addict, thief, never worked a day in her life, etc.)

Pretty unlikeable resume Cindy's got there.

She is also a death merchant.

Never forget that she is so wealthy by selling booze that eventually leads to dead babies in DUI accidents.

is "fair" game. Which makes it all the more important that all the surrogates always remember to think twice about what you're going to say.

Shit, if this is OK, let's go a hunting for Chelsea's plastic surgery medical records?

Are you getting my drift as to how PERSONAL ATTACKS on family members should be off limits?

good company we keep there, eh?

throw at someone like Barack Obama than his middle name or whether he wears flag pins or something his preacher or his wife said once--- a quote or two that might cause a few banjo playing Deliverance rejects to grumble angrily into their chewin' tobacky spit tins.

Yes, with kids dying in Iraq, the deficit through the roof, the economy tanking, the planet overheating, I say to anyone so inclined to wage such an idiotic, low-brow campaign:

GO THE FUCK AHEAD. AT THIS EXTREMELY CRUCIAL MOMENT IN AMERICAN AND HUMAN HISTORY, PLEASE. REMIND US THAT YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE DEBATE THAN SOME BARELY COHERENT GIBBERISH ABOUT HOW "HEY COOTER!! DIDJA HEAR? MICHELLE OBAMA'S NOT PROUD OF HER COUNTRY!"

And watch it swing back around and bite you on the ass.

on something she says that has been distorted. Gotta love these hypocrites.

How lame.

If they stumped for their spouse, they all are. Was there ever a time when a spouse wasn't fair game?

in an effort to somehow distort the context of her remarks?

I was wondering how long it would take for you to try to crap on Obama today. Why did it take you so long?

.

You don't see any difference between the two? For example, one was president was for 8 years. The other has never held a political office. Can you guess which one is which?

He has sway on policy and foreign relations. his policies and legislation effect where we are today.

Michelle is just a regular person. Why try to destroy her?

When Hymen Roth finally exclaims "this is the business we've chosen"

If you choose to participate in presidential politics as a spouse, you are more than likely going to get dirty.

:nuke:

nt

:rofl:

Don't you like horses?

and Hillary has already been dragged through every gutter from Little Rock to DC and back again by no-less than Democratic Underground.com and now what some say? Michele Obama is off limits? Is this another 'do as I say not as I do' litmus? She can't be that brittle. She'll need to be more pliable. Or does MO not understand the specific gravity of the task her family aspires to.