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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:07 AM
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When Conyers and Obama (and I) had Hillary's back, and then she sided with the RW
Blogged by JC on 01.17.06 @ 07:32 PM ET

Hillary Speaks -- Right Wing Blames the Messenger

Well they are at it again. Hillary Clinton spoke at her MLK Day speech -- referring to the Bush Administration as "one of the worst" in history, and comparing the...

Well they are at it again. Hillary Clinton spoke at her MLK Day speech -- referring to the Bush Administration as "one of the worst" in history, and comparing the House of Representatives to a "plantation." Instead of responding to the factual assertions, the right wing attacked the messenger, deriding her language, and ignoring the fundamental problem.

This is part of a pattern -- when the President lied to us about the Iraq-Niger connection, they blamed Joe Wilson; when the NSA warrantless spying program was made public, they argued that the whistleblowers were the problem; when 122 Members asked Bush about the Downing Street Minutes, they said we didn't matter, since I was against the war; when Howard Dean told the truth about Iraq they said he was extreme; when we complained about the PATRIOT Act, we were called unpatriotic. The list goes on and on. We now have a Republican party steeped in abuse and corruption, and the best they can do is ignore the problems they have created for this country and blame the Democrats for pointing out the obvious.

I don't always agree with Hillary, but she spoke the truth yesterday, and the Republicans need to address her charges head on instead of attacking her personally.

Also, I note this excellent Kos Diary on more evidence of fraud in the Ohio presidential election -- I'm glad people have not given up on this issue, I haven't.

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Obama defends Hillary Clinton's 'plantation' remark

Associated Press

January 18, 2006, 12:20 PM EST

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Barack Obama on Wednesday defended Sen. Hillary Clinton for describing the House of Representatives as a ``plantation,'' saying he felt her choice of words referred to a ``consolidation of power'' in Washington that squeezes out the voters.

The senator told CNN's ``American Morning'' he believed that Clinton was merely expressing concern that special interests play such a large role in writing legislation that ``the ordinary voter and even members of Congress who aren't in the majority party don't have much input.''

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First lady Laura Bush, en route home from a visit to West Africa, criticized Clinton.

``It think it's ridiculous _ it's a ridiculous comment,'' Mrs. Bush told reporters when asked about the senator's remark. Obama, D-Ill., also told ABC's ``Good Morning America'' that under GOP control in Washington, ``what one has seen is the further concentration of power around a very narrow agenda that advantages the most powerful.''

Obama also said New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin was correct to apologize for suggesting that the hurricane-ravaged city would be majority black again because ``it's the way God wants it to be.''

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Then things slowly began changing, November 2006 (video) to May 2008.

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:12 AM
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1. To think,
Hillary and surrogates are now accusing the entire party of sexism.


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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:16 AM
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4. Which KY exit polls show to be patently untrue:
A majority of those who voted based on gender, voted for Hillary.

A majority of those who voted based on race, voted for Hillary.

The cries of sexism is absolutely disgusting and is a TOTAL LIE.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:35 AM
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7. The cries of sexism are most disturbing because they were calculated
Edited on Wed May-21-08 09:36 AM by ProSense
Since Gloria Steinem wrote her op-ed, Hillary's surrogates have claimed that the constant discussion of misogyny and sexism was to spotlight media bias. Then the shift began. They went from accusing the media to incessantly ranting about it to laying the blame at the feet of the Democratic Party and ultimately Obama. Everyone paying attention could see where the focus on sexism was leading: The sexism argument was set up as a reason for Hillary to continue her divisive campaign and an excuse for her loss.



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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:14 AM
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2. She's thrown a lot of us under the bus who had her back for years.
And Bill's too. Can't tell you how many times I had to argue in defense of their character and good sense.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:39 AM
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8. Once you criticize Hillary for legitimate reasons, you're immediately branded
Edited on Wed May-21-08 11:42 AM by ProSense
a Hillary hater.

On edit: Actually, all someone has to do to earn that title is endorse Obama

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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:15 AM
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3. Good find. Thanks!
Did not know about the plantation thing...don't remember that controversy, for some reason.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:20 AM
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5. Well it brings up a troubling epistemological question.
Its one thing to be willing to say anything to run for public office, its quite a different thing to see anything to run for public office.

Put simply the epitemological question is how do we know what we know?

If your going to say anything to become President it means that you might advance a silly gas tax holiday, for example, knowing that it isn't substantive and unlikely to work but that it might work in a pandering kind of way. Really no har no foul.


This is something different it is the difference between benign and malignancy.

This is malignant.
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 09:22 AM
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6. One note on the "November 2006" video...
The clip is from a Larry King Show that apparently aired in November 2006. But Hillary's knifing of John Kerry in the back was IIRC in 2004. When John Kerry was our presidential candidate against Bush.

Mission Accomplished Hillary. You helped suppress Kerry's vote so Rove and company could steal another election, ensuring that you would not have to run against an incumbent in 2008.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:36 PM
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9. She had it in her all along. n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:28 PM
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10. Oh, she's knifer..she knifed us all in New York who
voted for her when she voted for the IWR to throw in with bush.

I hope she lays awake at night and thinks about how she came to lose this thing and it was ALL HER FAULT.
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