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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:59 AM
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Clinton: "We've got to change the way we nominate presidents"

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2008/05/hrc_learn_from.html

WASHINGTON - As she prepares to campaign in Florida today, Hillary Clinton said in a radio interview this morning that Democrats should learn from the lessons of the hanging chads from elections past and not ignore the will of the voters.

Clinton, speaking with WMJI radio in Cleveland, Ohio, this morning before flying to Florida, referred to the upcoming HBO movie about the 2000 recount and said she has heard that it "makes a very strong case" for seating the state's delegates today.

"The lesson is if you can discern the clear intent of the voter, why would you punish the voter?" she said. "We are turning this into a major battle that I think is really ill serving the party."

Clinton will be making that case today during three campaign appearances in South Florida, where she is expected to also press her argument that she is leading in the popular vote. Clinton also said the entire nomination process should be looked at in the future.

"We've got to change the way we nominate presidents for a lot of reasons," she said. "I personally believe these caucuses are terribly unrepresentative. ... (And) I think that what's happened with Florida and Michigan raises serious questions about the principles of our party."

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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 10:59 AM
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1. she didn't learn the game beforehand, and lost according to the rules.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:01 AM
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2. It's the same way we nominated last time. Maybe she should have said something in 2005, 2006, 2007
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:26 AM
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35. Strange. I remember a fellow named Bill Clinton who got the nomination that way.
I seem to recall a campaign theme of "Hope" ... something like "The Man From Hope"?

Poor Hillary. Those darned rules get inconvenient ... when she loses.

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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:01 AM
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3. Who do the Clintons owe? Who's forcing them to drag this out? n/t
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:13 AM
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22. INDIA n/t
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:14 AM
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24. Good one.
Saudi Arabia?
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:01 AM
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4. You had "35 years" to change that. Sorry
Better luck next time.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:02 AM
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5. Do over!
:eyes:
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Connie_Corleone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:02 AM
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6. She couldn't win by the rules, so she's been trying to change them since January.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:02 AM
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7. oh, and it's doubly disgusting that she would now express concern over 2000
When so many people were disenfranchised and she and her sitting president husband DID NOTHING. :mad:
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:03 AM
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8. POSIP talk about "principles"
:rofl:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:03 AM
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:04 AM
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10. Maybe you should have pushed for that change before now. You know, like when you were
calling caucuses "wonderful traditions."
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DarienComp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:05 AM
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11. Hillary Clinton: Caucusing is Easy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=racTAiemEQU

"Just about anyone can caucus! You don't have to be registered, or even be a Democrat!"
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:05 AM
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12. The fucking phony ass concern needs to stop. They didn't care one iota until it went against her.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:06 AM
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13. Then start your own party, sore loser. No "special treatment" for you. -eom
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:07 AM
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Fuck off, Hillary.
And what's this "we" shit?
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crankychatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:07 AM
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14. Caucuses are a fun Democratic Tradition - n/t
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:07 AM
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15. I'm Hillary, if I am losing that means the system is bad not me..
:boring:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:29 AM
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36. "No Fair!"
Edited on Wed May-21-08 11:29 AM by TahitiNut


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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:07 AM
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16. you were okay with the rules back when you thought you were going to win...
:eyes:

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Fire_brand Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:08 AM
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17. #1 reason we need to change: I didn't win
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:09 AM
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18. and she is right.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:13 AM
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23. So, how come her husband can win caucuses, but she can't???
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Cant trust em Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:23 AM
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32. She is right, but her whining is a little late.
Maybe she can bring this up after she scuttles our chances in the GE and preps for her 2012 run, which has been her plan for the last two months that the writing has been on the wall.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:30 AM
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37. So why didn't she bring this once in the last 8 years?
And if their positions were reversed, somehow I bet you'd be saying what an all-American institution caucuses are and how Obama's embarrassing himself by whining about his inability to win.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:10 AM
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19. the woman is one despicable hypocrite.
she's losing so it's time to change the rules.
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madwivoter Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:10 AM
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20. I think she may have misspoke, but...
we don't "nominate" Presidents, we elect them. We "nominate" candidates.

Maybe it's just me... :shrug:
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:12 AM
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21. Until the supers overturn the voters
That would be a-okay with her. Why can't her supporters see what a liar she is. She's been doing this shit since she lost Iowa.
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:16 AM
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25. We do and we will, after the most likely outcome of November comes to fruition.
Unfortunately, many Obama supporters won't be able to see the obvious until it is too late.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:18 AM
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26. A good system that allows an insurgent campaign, not name brand, to build and win.
There will be hand-wringing, but Obama won and mastered the only way he could win.

I'll take transparent voting and citizens observing over electronic voting any day.

Love that she's willing to disenfranchise the caucuses.
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:18 AM
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27. If she can't play by the rules, she should have proposed legislation to change them ahead of time
You play the part for which you are given, you chose to be a Democratic nominee, you go by their rules
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:19 AM
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28. Could she get any more petulant and whiny?
She gets worse every single day.
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:20 AM
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29. Then get started on it, SENATOR Clinton. Geez. n/t
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:21 AM
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30. How about the clear intent of my caucus, which you ignore?
:mad:
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pdxmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:23 AM
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31. She supported the system before she was losing, her closest advisors
helped develop the system before she was losing, the caucuses were fine before she was losing, the votes wouldn't count before she was losing.

I don't understand how people don't see through this BS and why she isn't called on it. Their latest "explanation" is that they saw how many people voted after being told it wouldn't count, and realized that those votes should all count. Well, that's an outright lie, because she was calling for Florida's vote to count on the eve of their primary, BEFORE they knew how many would be voting.

And I still submit that her change in position was actually "campaigning" in Florida, just as much as those who say Obama campaigned there think it was campaigning. She knew that making that announcement on the eve of the primary would be big news and that news would be all over Florida in minutes.

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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:24 AM
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33. Pathetic.. so now convince your voters the Democratic Party is against "them". Time for her to GO.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:25 AM
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34. Bill won with the system we have right now. Twice. n/t
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:31 AM
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38. She wants them to change it to any sort of system where she can win
Even if she doesn't win the most states, delegates or votes. :eyes:
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