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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:57 AM
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If Teddy leaves the Senate, what happens to his seat?
Do they hold a special election or does Deval Patrick appoint someone?
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:58 AM
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1. special election about 5 months after any resignation - looking for link I saw
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:59 AM
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5. Think Deval Patrick will run?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:01 PM
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7. Nope
He's been having some trouble as govenor and his popularity isn't great right now.
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:04 PM
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9. ahh, that sucks...
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:32 PM
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19. It's his own damn fault.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:45 PM
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22. Why you have to crap on other people's good threads and ideas?
I'm enjoying this pledged delegate majority! :rofl:
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:49 PM
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25. The SD"s are looking at last nights results and seeing that both states
together, more people voted for Hillary than the so called leader Obama.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:55 PM
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28. The SDs won't be saving Hillary, sorry
Even Sen. Robert Byrd didn't break to Hillary Clinton. Here's something for you to consider: undeclared is not the same as undecided. Many of the supers have hinted that they've decided but want to let the 50-state strategy play out to keep Dem voter registration up. You should be concerned that Obama didn't feel the need to campaign in Kentucky. If 80% of the undecided supers within the undeclared supers group had told him he needed to make progress in Kentucky, he would have been there. But he wasn't. What does that tell you?

Undeclared does not equal undecided. Do you think Pelosi is going to vote for Hillary? Even though she and many others have said that they will vote for whoever gets the pledged delegate majority? You still waiting on Jimmy Carter or Al Gore to endorse Hillary? Keep waiting.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:59 PM
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31. See ya on the convention floor.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:08 PM
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37. Why is Hillary's camp saying that it'll be over in June?
Last I checked, the Convention was in August. :shrug:
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:27 PM
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46. They have left the door open to take it to the convention

February-

Ickes, a DNC member and superdelegate himself, said the campaign expects Clinton to "hold her own" in Wisconsin, to win Ohio, Texas, Rhode Island and Pennsylvania and to have come close to closing the delegate gap with Obama by March 5th. He said by the end of the process on June 7th, when Puerto Rico votes, she would be "neck and neck" with Obama and would wrap up the nomination soon after. Ickes said the nomination would be settled "before we get to the floor" of the convention but that the campaign would take this fight all the way to Denver.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/16/67135...


March-

We’re going all the way to the convention- http://www.redlasso.com/ClipPlayer.aspx?id=1e4e7d43-ffb...

Hillary Clinton: I'm Taking this Fight to the Convention Floor- http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/7/17934/21364

Despite widespread worries among Democrats that the Democratic race has become too divisive, Hillary Clinton says she will stay in the race until the Democratic Convention in late August:

“A day after Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean urged the candidates to end the race by July 1, Clinton defied that call by declaring that she will take her campaign all the way to the Aug. 25-28 convention if necessary, potentially setting up the prolonged and divisive contest that party leaders are increasingly anxious to avoid.

“I know there are some people who want to shut this down and I think they are wrong,” Clinton said in an interview during a campaign stop here Saturday. “I have no intention of stopping until we finish what we started and until we see what happens in the next 10 contests and until we resolve Florida and Michigan. And if we don’t resolve it, we’ll resolve it at the convention — that’s what credentials committees are for.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/29/AR2008032901909.html?hpid=topnews

“You know, you can always go to the convention. That’s what credential fights are for,” she said. “Let’s have the Democratic party go on record against seating the Michigan and Florida delegations three months before the general election? I don’t think that will happen. I think they will be seated. So that’s where we’re headed if we don’t get this worked out.” http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/26/clinton-insists-dems-race-is-a-long-way-from-over-looks-toward-convention/
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:37 PM
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48. Why has Hillary stopped attacking Obama?
Sounds like she's winding down her campaign. I commend her on a great battle. :rofl:
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:43 PM
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49. Is that rolly guy a permanent part of your posts?
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:58 PM
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50. Can't help it, I just find Hillary's campaign hilarious
She bet against black in this primary season version of Vegas roulette. She landed on red alright. $30 million in the red! :rofl:
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:37 PM
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47. Clinton Chief Strategist: June 3 May Not End It
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:25 PM
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45. sorry, that's absurd. you have no clue as to how those
200+ folks are thinking. Don't project. What we do know is that SDs have been streaming in for Obama and steering clear of hilly for months. And nothing that's happened has changed that. Not PA or WV. It's ridiculous to think that hillykin's win yesterday will change that pattern
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:59 PM
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32. Terminal bitterness does that.
:)
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:31 PM
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18. It's because Mitt Romney left the state fucked up!
He left the a big deficit in Mass.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:58 PM
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30. Take it up with the dick swinging Sal DiMasi.
He doesn't let anyone get anything done.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:47 PM
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56. Bingo!
Nailed it. Non-MAssholes, or our fellow MA residents who are delusional Clinton supporters, refuse to acknowledge this when expressing their utter disdain for Gov Patrick.
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nykym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:58 AM
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2. Special Election
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:58 AM
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3. Romney?
:scared:
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:00 PM
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6. Mittens
couldn't get elected dog catcher there anymore. His positions have shifted way to right wing since leaving the Govenor's mansion.

He originally ran as a liberal on social issues conservative on fiscal issues.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:03 PM
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8. which, as a scion of the mormon church,
was a rather awesome stunt to have pulled off.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:24 PM
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14. All churches are the same
and if you take offense to this I'm sorry. I'm a Christian but anti-church establishment. The people who have money and donate a large portion of it to the church generally get their own rules.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:27 PM
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15. no offense taken
I meant that posing as a 'social liberal' while being a member of one of the leading mormon families, a church which is massively social conservative on all issues, was quite a trick to pull off.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:29 PM
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16. He tithed
the entire time he was in Bain Capital so he had funded them probably upword of 20-50 million. He could of gotten away with alot.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:17 PM
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12. Yup. He would have to re re re flip.
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:18 PM
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13. That's what chiropractors are for!
...
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 11:59 AM
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4. I believe
that they fill it temporarily and that the govenor has 145 days to hold a special election.

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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:07 PM
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10. More info on BMG:
Edited on Wed May-21-08 12:09 PM by beachmom
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:45 PM
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55. thanks for that explanation. nt
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:10 PM
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11. Better do some research. Massachusetts changed the law when Kerry was running....
Edited on Wed May-21-08 12:13 PM by suston96
....so the then Republican governor Mitt Romneyr would not appoint a Republican if Kerry won the Presidency.

http://thehill.com/john-fortier/untimely-vacancies-2007-06-20.html

Massachusetts and Alaska have recently changed their policy and no longer provide for a gubernatorial appointment to fill Senate vacancies. When John Kerry was the Democratic presidential nominee, the Democratically controlled Massachusetts Legislature feared that if Kerry won the presidency, then-Gov. Mitt Romney (R) would appoint a Republican to fill his vacant Senate seat. Alaska changed its policy after the flap over then-Gov. Frank Murkowski’s appointment of his daughter to fill the Senate seat he had vacated.


But the Seventeenth Amendment to the US Constitution says:

When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.


So it looks like the Massachusetts legislature can set an election date as soon as seen necessary.

Edit: Didn't see beachmom's post.



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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:30 PM
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17. Regardless, this person will be hand-picked by Kennedy.
That is certain.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:33 PM
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20. What is uncertain now is when this would occur. I feel a little funny about this thread,
as we do not have a definitive prognosis for Teddy's illness. This is just an exploration of the law in an extremely hypothetical way.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:50 PM
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26. "What the hell would we do without Teddy?"
I hope this is a game plan that the Dem party has been preparing for some time.

But, well-remembered about the prognosis.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:37 PM
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21. Barney Frank?
First openly gay senator?
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:48 PM
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23. I've actually been pouring over the Kennedy lineage...
Trying to see which Kennedy could replace him.

It's almost impossible to think of Massachusetts not having a Kennedy represent it.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:52 PM
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27. Joe Kennedy was in Congress a while back
But he chose to not run again because of some scandal or another. Besides, Joe's not among the brightest members of the Kennedy clan. Maybe Ted Jr? I don't know much about him, just that he lost a leg to cancer when he was a teenager.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:57 PM
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29. That was my guess as well.
This tidbit from his Wiki is certainly interesting.

"On May 10, 2007, a story in the New York Post said that according to Patrick Kennedy, his brother Edward Jr. was "eying a Connecticut Congressional seat."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Kennedy%2C_Jr.

This also sounds somewhat intriguing.

http://www.comhs.org/community/pr_view.asp?pr=64
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:02 PM
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33. I love Ted
However whoever takes his seat should do so out of merit and not the name. I don't have a real place in my heart for political dynasties. That's 75% of the reason why I gave Obama a chance in the first place.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:05 PM
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35. I only have a weakness for one.
I guess the idea is, considering no one could replace him, why not give his son a shot?

I don't know.

The bigger question might be, who's going to carry the liberal cause in the Senate?

What do you think about giving the seat to Dean?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:10 PM
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39. I don't think he wants it
and I'd rather have someone from the state or who has lived there take the seat. Given the history with Kerry as well I don't see that working out.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:12 PM
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42. Oops, yeah.
Derrr. Forgot about that.

Sigh.

I hate this.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:11 PM
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40. He's not from MA
And that would not be kosher with MA voters.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:13 PM
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43. .
And Hillary is not "from" New York.

People work around these things.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:48 PM
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24. I think Barney's enjoying wielding some real power in the House
much more than he would enjoy being a freshman Senator.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:03 PM
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34. How about Robert Reich???
Edited on Wed May-21-08 01:04 PM by JCMach1
He is a great Mass. Dem
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:09 PM
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38. Except that he moved to CA a couple years back
Edited on Wed May-21-08 01:11 PM by rox63
He's teaching at UC Berkeley.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:18 PM
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44. what about residence though?
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:38 PM
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51. Sadly, he did not do well in the Dem primary for Governor,
the year that Romney won.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:04 PM
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52. I voted for Reich that year
And we ended up with the state treasuer as the nominee instead. And she ran a crappy campaign, allowing Mittens to win. :(
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pdx_prog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:06 PM
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36. I here that Hillary is looking for a house in Boston....
She could have a lifetime job there....:)
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peoli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:54 PM
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58. she was born and raised there, ya know...
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:12 PM
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41. Something from Boston.com
Edited on Wed May-21-08 01:13 PM by stillcool47
Kennedy, the Senate's second-longest serving member, was re-elected to the Senate in 2006, and is not up for election again for another four years. State law requires a special election for the seat between 145 and 160 days after the vacancy, were he to resign or die in office.

"I think Ted Kennedy is irreplaceable. There will never be anyone who can fill Ted Kennedy's shoes. I think he is, perhaps, the one and only we will see in our lifetimes in terms of someone who has almost spent 50 years in the Senate, has passed more legislation and accomplished more things than most senators do combined in their lifetime," political analyst Mary Anne Marsh said.

Among the potential candidates for a Senate vacancy could be Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley, Rep. Ed Markey, former Rep. Joe Kennedy and Vicki Kennedy on the Democratic side. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney or former Lt. Gov. Kerry Healey could be potential candidates on the Republican side.
http://www.thebostonchannel.com/news/16339284/detail.html
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:08 PM
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53. Ed Markey
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:48 PM
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57. I would support either Markey or Delahunt
Definitely. Delahunt is my Rep.
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Samantha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:19 PM
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54. Wouldn't John Kerry (Junior Senator from MA) become the Senior
Senator from MA in Kennedy's stead? Barney Frank has been wanting Kerry's seat since he entered politics (which is why he fell over himself trying to get Kerry elected in 2004), so I believe he would find a way to "make that happen."
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globalvillage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:56 PM
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59. I think
I think he'll be back at work soon after Memorial Day.

But Harkin -- like many of his colleagues -- said he was sure Kennedy would return to the Senate he loves. "I'm counting on having him back for the Obama administration,'' Harkin said.


http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2008/05/kennedy_would_l.html

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