Why can't Hillary realize that history is often kinder to graceful losers?

Jimmy Carter, Al Gore, John Kerry/John Edwards, etc... Hell, Reagan cleaned Carter's clock in 1980. Carter had one of the lowest approval ratings of any President while he was in office, but he went on to become a hero of the Democratic Party for his humanitarian work. Why? Because he's a decent human being and he didn't allow his political losses to ruin his life. While Al Gore may have "technically" won, he backed down with grace and dignity and in the process became a hero in his own rite. I don't even need to remind people the amazing feats he has accomplished since then.

There is good in conceding. There is good in putting the welfare of the many ahead of your own. Even if you don't believe in karma, you can't deny that. I hope Hillary realizes this before it's too late so that maybe history and the world will be a little kinder to her. Because this "winning at all costs" tactic doesn't really go over well with people.

got another shot at the presidency.

Al Gore and Carter both demonstrated the good that can be done for the world outside of politics.

They moved on. They aren't megalomaniacs. MOST people who go for it lose, in fact. It's not a unique position to be in.

to find others energy sources besides oil. Due to the crisis in Iran at that time, he realized how critical it was. Reagan talked to Iran behind Carter's back and took pride in telling America we we strong and corps. needed to be free to do as they pleased, screw the unions, etc. Bkcy. rate and national debt was terrible after Reagan and Bush I.

Obama talks my talk, he gets what the real problems are. Hillary is dedicated to winning, or so it seems. That is the talk I voted for when I voted for Reagan, Ugh, the shame. Hope this doesn't happen again with this country.

June is almost here.

It is harmful for her to take money to bail her campaign out when those funds could be used in our parties general election fund.

She should have dropped out much sooner than this.

...doing what she's doing now.

She doesn't look both ways before crossing the street too often

counts. No kidding.!? Obama spoke earlier and talked issues, she talks votes.......

at all the kind words for Senator Kennedy who took his campaign against a sitting Democratic president to the convention. It appears not too many people remember that little piece of history.

Chappaquiddick (sp??) when it came to Kennedy and Carter was the preacher, peanut farmer. This time there is a real difference in our candidates. Carter was trashed for not dealing with the errors of other administrations when it came to Iran. We forced a new leader on the Iranians that eventually blew up in our faces during Carter's admin. I blamed Carter then for not knowing what the Reagan bunch was up to, sorta like Bush has done, BSed the country into a war.

not a preacher peanut farmer. He was running for his second term and Senator Kennedy took him on and took it to the convention. Many people feel that's why Carter lost. It doesn't seem to have hurt Senator Kennedy's reputation any amongst democrats.

peoples' confidence due to Iran holding our Embassy people hostage and that Kennedy probably figured that Carter would lose and he would try to keep the party in the Dems. hands. Too many people at that time had problems with the Chappaquiddick episode. I wanted to believe that the media had not told us the truth so was confused, but, wanted to believe in him then. The opposition touted Carter as the preacher and peanut farmer. I voted for Reagan then but when right after the swearing in, the hostages were released I felt like I had been duped. So now I try to listen and hopefully understand who our nominees are and not let the media influence me so much. Truth is the media still has an influence since they are the ones that choose what we hear.

I tend to get emotional and tipsy after an election night so my ideas run rampant. Ranting is a form of relief from the anxiety.

And...I feel so conflicted with Ed Kennedy's condition. I voted for his brother and wasn't sure about Robert and realized Edward had to carry the load for the family after all the tragedies they had suffered. I now realize how super Edward Kennedy is and has been, screwed up at times, but, if you haven't lived through their ups and downs you can not know. It was very sad news yesterday. Being a very old white lady I can see how dumb I was through the years. Voted for repubs and was snookered. I thought I was voting for the man not the party. Yup, dumb, the Dem party, no matter the candidate is far better than any repub.

I come from a long line of liberals (and socialists) so I can't really relate to those who speak of their repubican relatives and how hard things like Thanksgiving are for them to deal with. We argue and fight (at least half the family are lawyers) but by dessert, we all tend to agree on the big stuff.

Many people were duped by Reagan. I remember the Carter years and it was a very depressing time for this country. Then the hostages. People just wanted a change - just like now. If Senator Obama keeps a positive message, I think he'll be fine. My larger point was that so many people are saying they'll never forgive Hillary and that her career is over and when I think back to Sen Kennedy competing with a sitting Democratic president, that seems like a joke. Hardly anyone remembers that he did worse than Hillary.

It sounds like you have a very interesting political history. Voted for both John Kennedy and Ronald Reagan. May I ask what part of the country you're from?

When I came to Okla. there was a lot of dirty politics, Dems mostly, in the news and when I registered to vote decided to become a repub. To be honest I thought Okla. was back-wards in their politics and wanted to be different, it was pretty much Dem back then. But then I would see Kennedy on my blurry tv, we were real poor, and just thought he was special. When he was killed and Johnson took over and started the VN war I was disillusioned. I really hated Johnson, thought everything he did was to prove he was better than JFK. Sooo, I even voted for Goldwater thinking he would stop the war, didn't really believe he would nuke VN, but believed he wanted to end it.

My husband got a college education but not me. So I would listen to him since I thought he was so smart, well, he is pretty smart about some things, but I tease him now about my repub votes. Truly tho, before Johnson got integration enacted, the Dems and repubs were viewed differently and it took me until Reagan to realize that the South ruled along with religion and a govt. that took the rights from the people. Until I was in Fla. in 1957 I had no idea about black and white water fountains, restrooms, even "beaches". So, Johnson wasn't all bad but it sure screwed with our politics. It is disgusting to hear how the "South" still feels that AA are inferior people. As in all people there is the good and bad, you can not clump people together. To me Obama is sincere and smart, but I didn't realize this until all the others dropped out and I felt I had to make a choice. Obama all the way.

And yes, I will vote for Hillary if she is elected. No way would I vote again for a repub or independant.

Edit: I was for intergation in my teens, Johnson never seemed sincere when he would promote the issue. To this day I don't know if Johnson really cared or promoted intergation for political reason. I have been told he was warned that if he got integration through the congress we (dems) would lose big time in politics, sure enough, it happened. I know people here in Okla that should know better but still would not vote for a black and besides he is a muslim!! My husband bought one of them Obama's book to prove him wrong.

I wasn't eligble to cast my first presidential vote until 1980 and I voted for Carter. I had parents that had a party the night Nixon resigned - the whole neighborhood celebrated. But I've lived in New York (either in the city or like now, in the nearby suburbs). We definitely do have a different world view. I remember when I first found out one of my friends was a republican - she said I looked at her like she had sprouted wings or something - I was just that shocked.

All I know about Johnson was that he was quite aware that integration would hurt him and the party and he did it anyway. I always felt he did what he felt he had to do because it was the right thing to do - that made the most sense to me. I know it made the parties cross over themselves. You've seen some serious history in your life sister!!! I hope I'm still as active and involved when I get older. Politics has always been an interest of mine. Hope it keeps up even if it is bad for my blood pressure at times.

Gotta run now - getting my apartment painted tomorrow and need to move furniture and such. Lovely chatting with you.

Nothing else matters but WINNING the democratic nomination. The Clintons honestly believe that even if they cheat and lie their way to the nomination, that we will "fall in line" behind them. They are so full of sh*t it's pathetic. What's going to happen is either "the superdelegates" STOP this insanity right after the final primary vote OR The Clintons destroy the party ... but Obama will be the Democratic Nominee.

Someone needs to get through the THICK DELUSIONS of The Clintons that IF she fights it all the way to the Convention, she won't have ANY DAMN SUPPORT for a 2012 run at the Presidency. Hell, with all the GOOD WILL she has used up, she'll be lucky to keep her Senate Seat.

But The Clintons don't believe that they CAN LOSE. They always think that NO MATTER WHAT IT TAKES, they are ENTITLED to The Presidency.

That's not laudable. That's just FUCKING DELUSIONAL. :nuke:

She thinks the masses are too stupid to see that she really isn't the smartest, most able person to run this country. Who knows what she will do in Iraq? What she will do with the health care issue. Bill had 8 years to fix that problem, yet, nada.....the list is long.

I really have reached my tipping point, I think. I have tried to avoid joining in the vitriol against Sen Clinton, but I don't think I can do it any longer.

Her record is a bit thin. Bill is a different person. I admired many things he did in office, not all, but many. Hillary has had the media's attention for 15 years and what claim to fame does she have?

Edit: besides Bill (claim to fame). Obama didn't do poorly in the primary in NY, by the way.

That ship has already sailed and Hill wasn't on it.