If you believe that Hillary has no business being Obama's VP, Rec this thread

She has done everything she could to sabotage Obama's campaign, and he has still defeated her.
He has walked the High Road and shattered the illusion that negative politics is the strongest.

Hillary has proven again and again that she values her own personal ambition over the good of the Party.
She has been John McCain's Dream Spoiler, even suggesting that he was more qualified than Barack.

Now that she has finally realized that she will not be the Nominee, she is attempting to bully her way onto the ticket.
She is holding the Party hostage by using her supporters as bargaining chips.

She is not working for a Democratic Victory,
she is only interested in her Quest for the Presidency. Being VP is the only shot she has left.

She will drag this on as long as she is allowed to.
We, as a Party, must close the door on her because she lacks the grace to do so herself.

She could be McCain's VP though. That's a far better fit for her.

. . .PLUS Obama's administration would just continue to suffer the primary's angst with her upstaging psychodrama 24/7. . .

. .. would be a never-ending mercurial CLASH. . .like Obama having a meddling in-law from Hell.

PLEASE . . .SUPER DELEGATES. . .SENATOR OBAMA. . .NOT. . .VP H.CLINTON. . .

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She'd undermine him from within.

Those videos prove, respectively, that she's an undeniable liar (nonexistent sniper fire) and an opportunistic hypocrite (for running with the man she thinks less of than the republican).

Thankfully, neither she nor any clinton, ever again, will get close to the White House. Their undeserved "liberal" reputation has been destroyed.

After all that she has said about and against Obama, there is no way he could trust her - and the staff she would bring in - and those who work behind the scenes - and those she owes favors - and all those monied people who think they are the Democratic Party, and the hell with the rest of us.

She, Bill, and 'they' (those listed above) would not have Obama's back. They have their own agenda(s) and would work against Obama if he did not acquiesce. My guess is we have only witnessed a small example on how the Clinton Machine operates, and what I've seen has been pretty nasty, and quite a bit doesn't hold up to what I consider our Democratic values. Heaven only knows what they are really like when they try to get their way, or don't get their way.

With all the changes Cheney and Addington have made in the WH - it scares the hell out of me. I want that corrected. I don't want to see the Clinton Machine anywhere near that power until it is corrected.

If something were to happen to Obama, I don't want Hillary (and Bill) as my next president. I would like to see a strong, likable, and decent individual - who won't sell us, our jobs, economy and whathaveyou down the river.

There are plenty of good candidates out there to chose from. It should be Obama's choice. He should not be force to placate someone because they feel cheated out of what they thought and started out in their campaign as an entitlement to the 'throne'. I also don't want anymore of the Clinton drama that we went through in the 90s. That crap the Republican's pulled, sadly split my family right down the middle; and Bush* severed it. No more!

Let's fix the Constitution with Obama in the WH, and Hillary as a good strong Senator from New York. The last couple of months she finally found her voice - she could use that position to mend fences, and most importantly strengthen Congress - a Congress that Bush*/Cheney made weaker by disregard and disrespect. She could do great work as a Senator. We need that more now than ever.

Is it because you don't like me saying that I don't trust her and prefer she not be vice-president? I'm entitled to my thoughts, as you yours.

I don't think you think it's total nonsense to believe Bush, Cheney and Addington have changed the White House for the worse; and I hope you see the Congress has been disrepected and maligned by these people, as well.

I also don't see anywhere in my post that says this is the "Obama plan". Do you? So, while you may choose to call my thoughts "total nonsense", it would be more straightforward to critique me than be disingenuous with a crisp retort making this the "Obama's plan". The man speaks for himself. I speak for me.

Screw unity? I've no plans to screw unity. Do you? I'm not one of those people who have threatened to withhold my vote if I don't get my way. I'm just an educated, poor, old white lady whose primary vote didn't matter (Edwards), but I'll be damn sure and very proud to cast a Democratic vote in November!

I'll agree to disagree with you. You are entitled to your opinions, as am I.

:kick: To the Future! :dem:

Just like Bill, Hill-Billy only cares about herself. The Clintons have shown they will do whatever it takes to grab power and the rest of the Democratic party is irrelevant to them. I still remember how Bill got elected and he just let the rest of the party wither on the vine. Thanks to Howard Dean, we are becoming stronger all around the country, If Hill-Billy gets her way, it's the same old bullshit. No thanks.

"Oh don't pick on my racist wife" She is not running. Bull shit Obama. She is out there so she has to get the mud. She shouold shut up and be miss dutiful if she doesn't want to get called out.-----------------

He's yet another confused hater! Vote McCain, then kiss your rights goodbye.

Tex Shelters

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Don't think she will? What makes you think that she won't?

-The Political Jerk

That being said, I don't think that this is a mistake that he will make.

would have to be totally fucked up to have her as VP. Everything he said he's fighting for would have to have been a lie.

There is speculation that she will take this to the floor in Colorado and force the delegates to vote to place her on the ticket as VP. I don't know how true that is, but it's a possibility.

and the "news" would always be about who Bill is fucking today.

No thank you!

Go after the (R)s when you grow a brain stem.

Hillary is no Democrat.
She turned her back on her Party when she praised the Republican Nominee over her fellow Democrat.
She is in this for herself.

She's always a lying, pandering, smearing, jearing, lying ..loser.

How is it that you missed the fact that fair criticism of Dems has always been allowed here. It's Republican talking points that have only recently been permitted to stand as legitimate debate on DU thanks in large part to HRC.

HRC and Bill are doing what they can to help McCain win. Or to force Hillary on Obama's ticket, which isn't the way it works. Either way, Dems will lose in November. She is setting up for 2012.

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have a crystal ball.

And she has been a wonderful example of what they are.

I think they will make him take HERandHIM :puke:

the Dem nominee HAD to take the former first lady because despite losing, she forced herself in dramatic fashion, to be put on the ticket. also, she would ascend to the throne if anything were to happen - which makes me FURTHER distrusting of her... SIGH...

she is a wretched person...

No Hillary on this ticket.

Amen!

The reign of Billary was like Bush Lite. Did we even get health care REFORM? NOOOOOOOOOO. It was a ruse to try and fail. They did nothing about Health care in Bill's second term, did they? That means they didn't want to.

Why would he want to tarnish his own reputation by being associated with her tactics thus far?

I hate saying this, but the thought has crossed my mind that if Hillary were the VP on the ticket, that would probably increase the odds of his being assassinated at some point.

Sorry ... but you know they could blame it on "those racists who refuse to accept a black president".

To lessen those odds, choose a VP running mate who the GOP and DLC would want EVEN LESS as president.

Hate to be thinking this way about a Democrat, but my opinion of Hillary has taken a real nosedive in the past year.

How about Kucinich then? That would make me smile...

(As much as I love Dennis's outlook, John Edwards is probably more qualified. That would also make me smile.)

John Edwards and no other, Well, maybe, Bill Richardson if J.R. prefers to be AG or Supreme Court Justice.

how many times her supporters on DU post big ol' threads saying we can "bank on it". Those are all on Ignore for me now but I saw that crap last night. What I really don't like is so called Obama supporters saying it like they don't know what Obama's Campaign is about at all. Like they've been asleep this whole time when Obama's been talking.

I just plain don't trust her anymore.

Nuf said

...whatever. Same point!
:evilgrin:

...sneakin' don to da Tropicana NO MORE!

a reason good enough by itself to say no to her. She will negate a lot of Obama's fundraising advantage.

Great OP!

Her pile of bullshit?

:thumbsup:

on top of repaying her debt. especially to all those vendors. the little people she so cares about all of a sudden.

:rofl:

We need a VP candidate--preferable from west of the Mississippi--who can shore up the ticket and make it stronger. Someone with foreign policy credentials, who can reach out to Hispanics, perhaps administrative experience as a governor---

I still think Clark or Richardson with an outside lean to Schweitzer--who would be a colorful surprise--and tell the Republicans that we are going into their territory loaded for game.

Aside from soothing ruffled feathers in the party--Hillary does little to help--and undercuts the message of change. We need to think of the general election.

I also believe it should be Barack's choice--a shotgun marriage will hurt us and not help.

Hillary seems to have little concept of fiscal responsibility. And she's certainly no team player, never has been.

no VP slot!

its not always wise to keep your enemies close!!!

she adds nothing that he cant get from someone with far fewer negatives..

you DON'T put them in a position of guarding your back.

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There are so many "Democrats" that are far more qualified in a wide variety of expertise, and not nearly as polarizing. Not only does the right dislike her, now a good portion of the left does too. Not a good thing.

but I'd be surprised if it happened all things considered.

I think a minority of Clinton supporters and some media types are the only ones who genuinely want it (including Obama and Hillary) based on what I've seen.

week or so, but some things that she said last night and today in Florida are making me rethink it. I really want to give her the benefit of the doubt, but she's making that harder and harder to do.

IF I thought Hillary would take on her role as VP with grace, and IF I thought she would allow the president to do his job without undermining him every chance she got, and IF I thought Bill would keep his nose out of the business going on in the Oval Office, then I *might* supporter her as VP. But that's a lot of IFS and I don't see any of them happening.

Every time Barack would walk away from his desk for five minutes, he'd probably come back to find Bill sitting in it. Or Bill and Hillary fighting over who got to sit in it. The last thing this country needs is Oval Office Musical Chairs.

:rofl:

Bill and Hillary attempting to "co-president" and undermine President Obama.

If he chooses Sen. Clinton as a running mate, I will be sorely disappointed, but I will still vote for him.

Can you write in a VP vote?

So unfortunately, no.

But I forgot the smilie. ;)

Then you would be voting for the TEAM. Are there any doubts what was behind Reagan being gunned down or Dick the puppeteer?

trying to take over. Cheney all over again. I'm sure Obama knows this and won't be tempted.

Why would she be racking up huge debt unless she believes she can win/steal the nomination? Back room deals, rules committee, super delegates, who knows?

Your OP mentions all the reasons I am pissed off at Hillary.

She would be a great Republican candidate, though.

:crazy:

:puke:

I wouldn't put it past the Clintons to do so. It's all about THEIR ambition. THEIR supporters. THEIR feelings. Well, they need to start thinking about THEIR legacy because it's going down the drain.

I think that maybe her good buddy Lieberman beat her to it.

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I can't recall a post getting 100+ recs in such a short time.

Is that a chord I hear being struck?

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Vice President, lol.

rec'd this thread:)

Hillary has no intent of playing second fiddle. If she becomes VP, the Clintons will constantly undermine and embarass Obama. Does anyone seriously think they're going to accept simply being "visitors" at the White House?

It's probably best for Obama to simply ignore her, and it appears that that's what he's doing. By no longer acting like her campaign matters anymore, she is being made less and less relevant.

It's been a long campaign and Democratic voters have spoken. Time for the supers and the DNC to end the fishing for new delegates and funny math. Once the last three sets of primary and caucus voters have had their turn, Obama will have earned the top slot on the ticket.

Bring on McCain!

Please go away Hillary..

Clark, Webb or Richardson would be awesome VP candidates.

A job she is no more qualified for than the current imbecile infesting the White House.

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This is what she has evolved into. She chose this. She will never again be a real democrat and has lost all credibility she once had.

We can't let another Clinton cover up the crimes of the second Pres. Bush.

We've got business to take care of.

Ain't that a shitter.

She will add nothing of value to the ticket and I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her (which isn't very far, I'll admit). Just think what Lieberman did to sabotage Gore and magnify that to the nth degree and you have the scenario for Hillary to set herself up very nicely for 2012.

That the Clinton's showed us their other side. It would have been a good ticket had she ran a clean and fair campaign. And I would have supported her for president had she done so. But I guess it's best that we did find out more about Hillary and Bill before we made that mistake. It's over Obama is the winner and I don't think he would choose her for VP.

will absolutely base his final decision on the hate spewed at Senator Clinton by the posters at DU.

I hear he doesn't make any decision without first logging on here to make sure you all approve....!

GROW UP!!!!!

Those are backed up by actual evidence, despite your fervent wish that they were not.

Truth does not equal hate. Sorry you got confused.

could twist his arm into going that far away from his values.
She should be made an example of, and the DLC purged from the party.

I will do the happy dance when he picks a VP and all this nonsence talk stops.

It ain't gonna happen.

Besides, how can he put her on his ticket as VP when one of his positions is about moving beyond the old Washington politics that's been played for so long. She represents just that. Take a look at how she ran her campaign!

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Hillary for Chappaqua city council!

No she should go back and take the position of Ted Kennedy and fight for the poor and alienated in this country as a Senator. The 12 million undocumented hispanics who are working for this country; the injured and emotionally scared veterans; etc.

and make her place in history there - it can't be that bad a consolation prize.

She has already done a lot to push the doors for future women candidates. One day, an American woman WILL become POTUS - and she'll do it without being a legacy of someone else and without the coat-tails of a husband.

:kick::kick:

She's a person in her own right. With her own political history. You masagonist pig (even if you are a female).

And if you want to criticize a fellow DUer, do it in private.

Take a chill pill while you're at it.

will be that fucking crazy old man.

The endless bitter name calling of the Obama crowd guarantees it.

edit: To add ONCE AGAIN that I don't like either candidate. But you people haven't got a shot at it. No chance in hell. McCain will get the bigot vote (yes, I do understand that there are some who will vote for him because of color, but not as many as you people want everyone to think), he will get a lot of the independent vote, he will get the supporters who would rather spend 4 years under McCain than vote for anyone that has followers as nasty as most Obamabots, and he will get he will get the die-hard republicans.

Enjoy the McCain presidency. You people did it to yourself and to the country. You can't do it alone even though you would LOVE to think you can.

than anything. They hate her... Too much baggage. Phoque! Hell No!

edit: Apparently you missed my point. Crap like this is guaranteed to ensure that half the party either sits it out or writes in a name or maybe even votes for that senile old man. Because the constant slurs and insults, both at Hillary and Hillary supporters is going to cost a lot of votes. And if his supporters really wanted to see Barrie in the White House, they should have thought about that.

A variation of "Barry" which I've seen somewhere else....now where was it? Oh, yeah. In a low-rent OP referencing a bottom-shelf Repuke site.

Wonder how you came to co-opt the name? Inquiring minds, and all. You know.

Repubic sites, and it ain't me.

:hi:

...so goes the country! :eyes:

If people make inane choices that only serve to work against their own-self-interests, it's because they are predisposed to do so -- out of ignorance, out of immaturity, out of laziness, out of learned and deeply-ingrained behavioral patterns.

Anyone with a lick of common sense knows what's at stake in November. I'd venture that 95% of the nominal number of HRC foot-stompers who are out there will do what's right when push comes to shove. Those who stay home or cast protest votes are self-possessed idiots who are going to do what they would have done anyway...out of pure petulance.

Your underlying point is not lost on me, however...and I agree that it's time to ratchet this smack-talk down. Hillary has her mind made up and, regardless of her motives or end-game, we could spare each other a lot of aggravation in here if we all took a collective breath and eased into a wait-and-see mode.

Personaly that was when I was officially done with her.

and Hillary is a snake

Just say NO to Hillary!!

:argh:

I wonder if this will make it to 1000?

If he does, I'll respect his decision, but I sure hope he doesn't.

into business with the Bushes/Cheney's and McCain's in Paraguay and get off the stage now. Lots of luck keeping her NY senate seat.

No way! She's Bush in a dress.

after she threatened to take it to the convention thus insuring a McCain win.

She doesn't deserve to eb a dog catcher after that shit.

Democrats haven`t given her the crown she demanded, perhaps Republicans will.

Out, Out Damn Spot!

:scared:

Obama is talking about change, why would he pick Hilary for VP? She represents the same old politics that he's trying to get away from.

what will you do with all that hate after June?

you dont represent Obama

represent
people
represent

or is it...

You dont need a candidate
just some body to hate

Emulate
dont hate!

When you speak and write you REPRESENT OBAMA - Think before you stink
Obama'08

like it or not, it can get dirty. People are opinionated, passionate, and care. People have gone through a torturous 8 years watching and living as their Constitution, rule of law, war, death, destruction, privacy and treasury - go through severe ordeals.

And as a note, DU is like this during the primary season. The bickering back and forth is almost over. Once there is an official nominee, you will see DUers band together to kick McCain's ass. Those who don't won't last long. I guarantee it.

Hillary and Bill would try and use the VP as Cheney has done for the past 8 years...HELL NO!

GO OBAMA!

All his claims of being different already strain my suspension of disbelief. Putting Clinton on the ticket would just show that he has no problem doing things "the old way."

Rove is smiling ear to ear and that sure is a lot of smile.

I think she is now trying to blackmail Obama by not stepping aside.I do not trust her and think she should be called on her motives

I think she is representing half the Democrats. I think she is inciting people to come out to register and vote, if only to vote against her. She's smart. She knows she is stirring the pot to bring 'em out for din-din.

The Clintons did not turn into the evil wicked apocalyptic angles of the Anti-Christ suddenly in the shadows of our rising star. They've been here and for those who need representation--the poor, the suffering, the underprivileged, the different, the outcasts-- from the beginning. Get real and stop the tripe.

Obama '08

Re-examine 'Welfare Reform'.

For the love of God, Senator Obama, don't do it.

Thanks.

and decry it as people slinging mud... sorry, the Clintons now live in the mud pit, there's no need to sling it.


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Obama should declare a running mate asap and end any speculation that Hillary could ever get on his ticket. What she is doing amounts to extortion. Give me what I want or I'll keep making up BS all the way to November and McCain will win. LIAR.

She seems to prefer him anyway.

the White House.

:kick:

A petition to keep Hillary Clinton off Barack Obama’s general election

http://nohillaryforvp.com/

no way.... she burned that bridge way back in her campaign with Florida and Michigan.

K&R!

& balance the ticket. Just because Hillary came in 2nd doesn't mean she "deserves" to be VP.

Obama has earned the right to choose a VP candidate that fits his vision for the country while also balancing the ticket. Someone whose strengths compliment his.while bringing sectors of voting blocks.

Hillary needs to get over it, go home to NY & lick her wounds. Then get back to the business of the Senate!

She has experience running for VP.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Can't wait!

...when she isn't. After all, Nature abhors a vacuum.

can't wait!

Goldwater Girl and a repug at heart. Her first elected position was as the President of the Young Republicans of Wellesley College back in her days. I don't think she's changed much since then, considering how she and hubby have done their goddamn best to bring the Democratic Party as far to the right as could be achieved with their fucking "triangulation". She will continue to do the same if given the chance. Keep her away from the White House. I'd love to vote for a woman as President, or have a female VP, most of us would. BUT NOT HER!!!!!!!!!! I simply can't believe that anyone who calls them self a liberal or progressive would even consider her one of us.

If only we would have her.

I'm a one issue voter, and my issue is the war. Anyone that refuses to admit that was a mistake is automatically disqualified. De facto, they side with Bush over Obama on this issue.

....for all the reasons mentioned. But I particularly don't want her because it gives too many voters an excuse not to vote Democratic. Face it. We all know that there's a percentage out there that will never vote for a black man, regardless of the excuse they use - not experienced enough, unknown, too Liberal. And there's another percentage that will never (again) vote for a Clinton, and Hillary in particular. So if you put both of them on the same ticket you've probably eliminated almost half the voters going in. Even a juggernaut Obama campaign would have a hard time overcoming that kind of disadvantage.

It is time for the Clintons and the DLC to go for good....

I am sorry. My first choice was Edwards but he dropped. I was leaning towards Hillary until she and Bill started playing the race card. I am so disappointed in them. I can't believe she would sabotage Barack just to get her way. I never thought she would do anything like this.

K&R

And I Mean It!

back when she ran for NY Senate. Carpetbagger.

I have a number of VPs in mind and Clinton is not one of them.

:kick:

Whether Rove is directly connected I can't say but it's obviously being engineered by the same team that gave us Bush-Cheney in 2000.

how do you like them apples?

Especially after the garbage tactics she used in her campaign.

Rp

but Hillary is not suited for the vice presidency. She wants to be president. She will not be happy as the vice president. And she will not be happy as the candidate for the vice presidency. She wants to be number 1 or nothing. Obama probably feels the same way. They just would not be a good ticket together.

I am an Edwards supporter, but I think he had a really hard time running with Kerry. The two of them were just so different. I don't think that Edwards would want to run as vice president again either.

There are a lot of really qualified people who would make great vice presidents. The vice presidential nominee needs to be experienced and likable and needs to believe, trust and admire the presidential candidate. It is evident from her conduct that Hillary does not really believe, trust and admire Obama. And, although Hillary is very, very competent and has lots of experience, she is not really likable. At least she does not seem likable on TV or on the internet. It may simply be that the medium is not kind to her.

Besides, I believe that Obama, as a matter of principle, is not soliciting big donations from corporate donors, and Hillary has accepted lots of lobbyists' money. Obama would forfeit an important issue -- campaign finance reform -- if he chose Hillary for VP.

VINCE FOSTER

to hold any office. x(

The new coalition we keep hearing about just doesn't exist.

Steve

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I don't trust her ....No VP for her...

As Hillary keeps going her power to do anything in this party in the future dwindles away and I say good riddance!

Rp

Time to clean out the party.

Start with that megalomaniac.

Just go the fuck away, Hillary!

Even though in a winner-take all style primary (the GE will be winner take all per state, guys), she would already be the nominee.

Even though she still racks up huge wins in some states.

Even though Obama doesn't have a problem with her running.

Even though Obama will probably still take the nomination.

"picking the Clintons as VP would be like adopting the Menendez Brothers". HAHA!
(thank to ShortnFiery for that funny comment)

I must say that the possibly record number of recs at DU says it all. It is one thing that many people (such as myself) support Obama strongly, as I have done for almost a year now, starting when I really felt donating was kind of an obligatory gesture of futility, given that Hillary Clinton was so OBVIOUSLY the presumptive nominee and the primary calendar so structured to prevent an insurgent candidate like Obama from "stealing" her nomination (by getting people to vote for him -- how unfair!)

But when you consider that she has gotten well over 40% of the LEGITIMATE votes and LEGITIMATE delegates, this being the closest Democratic nomination contest in over 30 years, it is testament to her divisiveness as a nominee that there are SO MANY recs insisting that she not be VP nominee!

Personally, in order to minimize the damage of NOT picking HRC, as well as other reasons (isn't it high time, after women have had the vote for almost a century, that we have a woman on a WINNING ticket, as this will at least probably be?). As for Hillary, it isn't that she isn't capable, including of being president, it's that I ABSOLUTELY WANT TO SEE OBAMA MAXIMIZE HIS CHANCES OF WINNING AND DEMOCRATS FIGHT FOR THE BIGGEST VICTORY POSSIBLE. We can't afford to try to stay in Iraq until the elite's imperialist demiurge is satisfied, to put it bluntly. If she ends up on the Supreme Court or something, or goes for Gov of NY State and then runs again in 2016, when hopefully her track record and the intervening years will have softened the resentments SHE has stirred up in this campaign, that's fine. BUT NOT ON THE TICKET NOW.

So a woman, and ONE WHO NEVER SUPPORTED THE IRAQ WAR RESOLUTION!. It could be someone who didn't necessarily oppose it, or wasn't in the Congress at the time (eg Sebelius, Schweitzer), but I like the fact that Boxer has always opposed this war, and that she will garner ENORMOUS enthusiasm for the ticket, and help Obama specifically in Florida, where he is running weakly.

At any rate, we need a VP nominee who will MAXIMALLY INSURE putting Obama over the top, as well as someone HIGHLY qualified (like Boxer, again).

She is really hurting our chances. I havent had a problem with her fighting till the end , because she is helping to build our numbers regarding new registered Dems, but when she continues to trash Obama and imply people are having their votes taken away...all she does is create animosity towards Obama. She needs to shut up or get the fuck out!!!

... How PETTY and DESPERATE she's being with this quest of hers. Heh - if I were a New Yorker, I'd have to question if I wanted her as my senator after these revelations. TENS of millions in debt and SHE'S someone you want holding public purse strings??? I'm surprized she hasn't cried more of late.

out of their minds? No questions that HC would love the vp spot. They say 13 vp's in U.S. history have acceded the presidency by some mishap to the sitting president. No doubt HC has that in mind, like arsenic in his coffee. Rachel Maddow said HC still has a chance to become President by holding the Democrats hostage, by hook and by crook, until the August Convention in Denver. On the subject of Obama's paying off HC's campaign debt: Obama would be better advised to donate that money to helping Democrats running for congressional offices in the fall. That would do more to bring about unity and "Change" than giving the money away to Hillary who has more money than all the candidates put together.

BO faces a bit of criticism in some small quarters for not being out there on the stump for other dem candidates, and I think that this could be offset by making good use of the war chest he's amassed. Like you and others, I do not believe that Barack should - in any fashion - reward her bad behavior, whether we are talking about paying down her campaign debt or asking her to join the ticket. F*ck that sh*t. She has done more damage to the Party's chances in November than most can imagine, and it's all been for self-gratification.

If I were Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton would be the last living person on Earth to whom I'd ever give a second set of keys to my car or house. I wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her with a broken arm.

...advocating for a unity ticket.
I respect the hell out of Thom, but I have to strongly respectfully disagree with him on this one. Bad behavior should not be rewarded.

In a perfect world this wouldn't be the primary consideration, but Senator Obama would probably be well-advised to look closely at qualified female VP candidates as a way to undercut the HRC camp's (in my opinion unjust) cries of sexism -- from what I've seen so far, Governor Sebelius looks like one of the best.

I, like you, have tremendous respect for Thom - but Hillary hasn't earned it, in my book.

She's shown (at least as I see it from my cheap seat) poor personal character, poor character judgment, poor money-management skills, contempt for the democratic process, and a cynical and self-serving disregard for the Party's future.

but I was only now pushed to recommend by Hillary's attempt to count the MI votes minus the uncommitted.

Beyond the pale.

She has no business being anywhere near the White House.