Why do you think Hillary lost?

No one can survive such a blatant lie, especially when the opposite condition is found on videotape.

I was always leaning toward Obama, but that put the final nail in her coffin as far as I'm concerned.

In fact, I can not see how anyone can support her after a lie like that. Oh but wait it was a mistake!

I for one would not make a mistake about something like that, and neither would 99% of Americans.

You are correct it was a blatant lie, and I would expect much better qualities in a person running for the highest office in our land.

There was no possibility I'd support her unless she renounced
that vote, and she has never done so.

Tesha

and I think that was the central reason for her defeat. That, and that the IWR vote symbolizes her whole modus operandi, and brings it into sharp focus for a lot of us - she's a cynical opportunist with no moral compass.

It's the symbol of a lot of things that are faulty about her candidacy.

The night of the NC/IN primaries, it was though the skies opened and celestial choirs started singing when Tweety, seemingly out of nowhere, said that Hillary lost this election in 2002, when she voted for the Iraq war.

For me, it's more her entire DLC run to the right persona in general, but her votes in favor of the Bush/PNAC agenda, including the war, were certainly a huge part of that.

> For me, it's more her entire DLC run to the right
> persona in general, but her votes in favor of the
> Bush/PNAC agenda, including the war, were certainly
> a huge part of that.

There were more votes (such as her votes to ban flag
burning), but the IWR vote serves as the best exemplar
of her behavior.

We supported her strongly (financially) in her 2000
Senate run and she then voted against our views on
any vote that was politically "difficult" (i.e.,
might cost her center-right votes when she ran for
President). So, instead, she lost our "left" votes.

Tesha

worse organization "Mark Penn" mostly.

The Clinton campaign believed all the "inevitability" hype. They failed to have ANY contingency plan in place for NOT winning Super Tuesday in a walk.
The Obama campaign out-planned, out-worked, out-organized, out-fundraised, and generally out-performed the Clinton team in every way. The Nomination, as of January 1, 2008, was Clinton's to lose - and she lost it.

as well. Clinton made many bad moves in her campaign. Not planning for the long haul was a big one, she had expected to run the table on Super Tuesday. She believed the hype, she was inevitable, this was her time. And all she had to do was accept it.

Obama, at least, offers the promise of change. Hillary and the DLC offer only the promise tentative tinkering with a failed and corrupt system.

...is the answer to, "Why do you think Hillary and Obama won?"

nt

Granted, most male politicians are seen that way as well, but when was the last time a candidate had to take a week in the heat of their campaign, as she did during New Hampshire, and make the case that she had a "human" side, actually had friends, a mother that was fond of her, etc...

they had any confidence she would use her power for the common good.

It took me awhile to make up my mind, before I settled on Edwards. After it was obvious the MSM wanted a Obama/Clinton fight I looked at their positions, and really couldn't make a decision for a bit.

It was after she started her really hard negativity, taking stances against Obama that I felt would look bad in the general that I started to really not like where she was going. When she started talking about having florida and michigan count, that's when she lost me. It seemed more and more like she'd say anything to win.

Everytime I listened or watched Obama on Youtube he inspired me a bit. Everytime I watched her talk she just disappointed me more and more. I think she would have, and still could, make a great president. I just think she needs to lose the 'I'll do anything' approach to politics.

... I settled on Edwards as well, when he dropped out I was leaning toward Obama, and the rest is just as you described.

SHE LOST BECAUSE SHE RAN A SHITTY CAMPAIGN.

Period.

She lost because of the men she chose to surround herself with and listen to.

They didn't think he was a factor. So they didn't think they had any real competition. And when he won so many states on Super Tuesday, they were caught flat footed.

There response to him just wasn't that substantial. The kitchen sink strategy should never have included the perception that the race card was included. To me, she seemed knocked back on her heels just when he hit his stride of confidence and was walking and talking tall.

It all converged against her with the money problem and the Penn problem. They never could regroup enough to gather back broad appeal and convince the nation that she was the best choice.

I should be in her demographic. I'm a sixty one year old white woman who supported the Clintons throughout the 90s even though I disagreed on NAFTA & the welfare reforms. But she just didn't catch on with me the way Obama did.

...until voters got to know Obama, and more preferred his vision. Frankly, she is an old brand name, and Obama looks more like the hope they're both trying to sell. There's not much difference between their voting records.

I'm a statistics expert and I can tell you with great mathmatical certainty that this poll proves men who say Hillary Clinton wasn't the strongest candidate are clearly beating out the argument by women who say Hillary Clinton wasn't the strongest candidate.

Add the lies, the festering negativity, and the piss poor campaign management and it's a no brainer.

voted OUT.

Pick a dependable liberal state with little opposition.
She has been running for Prez since Bills 2nd term started.
Using the Senate was just part of a plan.

I'm beginning to think it really is all about her ego.
She is NOT that f*c*i*g special.

The presumption that it would all be over by Super Tuesday, and that there was no need to even consider a plan B. That's why she lost. Because of her own hubris.

what's wrong with attributing it to Obama winning? Why must someone or something be blamed? This is the closest primary season we've ever had. If she doesn't win, she'll have come damn close. Why can't we recognize there are two strong candidates this time around? Why does one have to be smeared and destroyed for the other to win?