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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:51 PM
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Hillary: “We are turning this into a major battle that I think is really ill serving the party.”

Clinton's Florida-Michigan push

Posted: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:55 PM by Domenico Montanaro

From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- As she prepares to campaign in the Florida today, Hillary Clinton said in a radio interview this morning that Democrats should learn from the lessons of the hanging chads from elections past and not ignore the will of the voters.

Clinton, speaking with WMJI radio in Cleveland, Ohio, this morning before flying to Florida, referred to the upcoming HBO movie about the 2000 recount and said she has heard that it “makes a very strong case” for seating the state’s delegates today.

“The lesson is if you can discern the clear intent of the voter, why would you punish the voter?” she said. “We are turning this into a major battle that I think is really ill serving the party.”

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“We’ve got to change the way we nominate presidents for a lot of reasons,” she said. “I personally believe these caucuses are terribly unrepresentative. … (And) I think that what’s happened with Florida and Michigan raises serious questions about the principles of our party.”

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“I have a lead in the popular vote that I added to last night,” she said, referring to a strong showing in Kentucky. “I continue to believe that I am the stronger candidate to be John McCain in the fall.”

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Note to Hillary: You're making a "major" spectacle of yourself.

Apparently, caucuses are no longer "thoughtful, personal, hands-on process" or "democratic" now that she has lost 16 out of 18.

Clinton: "No, it's not. It was a little bit challenging to understand at first because a Caucus is not like an Election. A Caucus is a very, very different experience and it took me a while to really sort that out and people who have done it before told me, they said, 'It's very different. It's not like anything you've ever done before,' and I thought before I started, 'Well, my gosh, I've been working in Elections for 40 years. My husband was in these elections. I've supported many people. I've run twice myself,' but it's true. It's a much more thoughtful, personal, hands-on process and therefore I'm not frustrated at all because I understand it and respect and I see the positive support growing so it's gratifying to me."

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Those who attend the caucus will leave feeling good that they have participated in the democratic process and played an active role in changing America and electing the next president.

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Obama has clinched the pledged delegate majority


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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:53 PM
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1. “We’ve got to change the way we nominate presidents for a lot of reasons
#1 so I can win even when no-one votes for ME!
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:53 PM
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2. WHO is turning this into a major battle????
Jesus, she is so fucking nuts, she's like a squirrel turd!
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:53 PM
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3. My apologies to Hillary supporters
Edited on Wed May-21-08 01:55 PM by gateley
(not that you care - nor should you) but I really dislike her more and more with almost each passing day.

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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:54 PM
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4. Obama, drop the SD bomb. NOW.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:54 PM
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5. "We"?
Edited on Wed May-21-08 01:59 PM by OhioBlues
“We are turning this into a major battle that I think is really ill serving the party.” I guess she likes saying stupid things and then forgetting that she's the one causing the problem!
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izquierdista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:57 PM
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8. The royal "we"
Would you expect anything less from her?
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NewHampshireDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:01 PM
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14. HRC=All women, All Women=HRC, Thus 'We'
:eyes:
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:55 PM
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6. It's taken her a while to sort out a lot of things.
It's so sad. Go get some rest Hillary.
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:55 PM
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7. a caucus
" A Caucus is a very, very different experience and it took me a while to really sort that out and people who have done it before told me, they said, 'It's very different"
Have Bill splain it to yoo! ROOTSY.
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AllexxisF1 Donating Member (559 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:58 PM
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10. Exactly ...What a crock of shit.
If she did not know going in how caucus's are run THAN SHE HAS NO PLACE RUNNING FOR POTUS.


When you run for President you should know what the rules and procedures are. Just because you get your ass handed to you doesn't mean they should change.

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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:06 PM
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15. Still not ready on day 600 or whatever of this campaign. nt
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DefenseLawyer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:58 PM
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9. "Serious questions about the principles of our party"
Call me crazy, but did Senator Clinton voice ANY of these concerns when her husband ran for president, or even at the outset of this campaign? Uh no, it was only after she got her ass handed to her that she started questioning our principles. What a leader.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:59 PM
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11. "We"??? "WE"?!?!?!?!?!?
:banghead:


“The lesson is if you can discern the clear intent of the voter, why would you punish the voter?”



There was no campaign in Florida or Michigan, and in fact Obama was not even on the ballot in Michigan. Because of these two facts, you can't discern the clear, or even murky, intent of the voter!!!




Christ!!! We already have one pResident that has a problem understanding reality, we can't take another!!!

:mad:
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:59 PM
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12. dupe; self-delete n/t
Edited on Wed May-21-08 02:00 PM by krispos42
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:59 PM
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13. "They never stop thinking of ways to harm America, and neither do we."
Increasingly, I feel that Hillary Clinton has decided that nothing succeeds like success, and since her goal is to win the presidency she has taken W as her model.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:09 PM
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16. Hillary Clinton:
"I want to thank all of my supporters and everyone I have met in Iowa over the past 11 months. I am in awe of your commitment to the WONDERFUL TRADITION OF THE CAUCUSES. Now they are here, and I hope that on January 3, you will stand up and be counted for me."
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:10 PM
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17. Why would a democrat be trying to make the presumed nominee appear illegitimate?
Edited on Wed May-21-08 02:25 PM by Marnieworld
That is the most destructive and selfish thing she could be doing to the party right now and she must be stopped. One thinks that she is doing this intentionally and wants him to lose so she can run in 2012. I can't conceive of any other possibility. Hopefully the party will rise up on the 31st and put an end to this.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:42 PM
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28. The crazy thing is that FL and MI can't help her win a delegate battle so what is she after? n/t
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:12 PM
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18. Hillary take your loss and your 31 million $ debt
and Fuck off back to the DLC

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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:15 PM
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19. I heard it--totally shameless
and there were other Dems there with her, not arguing or objecting, just letting her have her say, minutes after Schumer said we have to fight back when attacks come.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:17 PM
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20. "WE are not amused"
Fucking deranged lunatic.
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ej510 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:21 PM
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21. Hillary is like a fly the more you swat her away the more she tires to land on you.
She won't ever concede and I kmean ever!:banghead:
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:34 PM
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23. She's campaigning against HERSELF in the '12 Senate Primary at this point.
We're as ashamed of her here in NY as CT is of Bush. :grr:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:24 PM
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22. She always forgets to mention that Florida and Michigan did this to themselves.
She never mentions it. Ever.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:44 PM
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24. Clinched!
Needed for PD majority: Clinched!


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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:47 PM
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25. Different day, same shit, same lies.
Edited on Wed May-21-08 02:47 PM by Major Hogwash
Somebody should YouTube this nutjob. She has said so many different things in the last 5 months you never know what she will say next!!!
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:49 PM
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26. Number of primaries/contests each has won - Obama, 34 - Hillary, 18.
Game over. Bye Hillary.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:09 PM
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27. Clinton compares the Florida and Michigan fight to civil rights movement
May 21, 2008

Clinton compares the Florida and Michigan fight to civil rights movement

<...>


Clinton, at times sounding like a modern history professor, praised the abolitionists, suffragettes and civil rights pioneers and talked about her own efforts to fight legislative redistricting and voter identification initiatives that she said dilute minority voting power.

"This work to extend the franchise to all of our citizens is a core mission of the modern Democratic party," she said. "From signing the Voting Rights Act and fighting racial discrimination at the ballot box to lowering the voting age so those old enough to fight and die in war would have the right to choose their commander in chief, to fighting for multi-lingual ballots so you can make your voice heard no matter what language you speak."

She said "there's a reason why so many have fought so hard and sacrificed so much. It's because they knew that to be a citizen of this country is to have the right and responsibility to help shape its future. Not just to have your voice heard but to have it count. People have fought hard because they knew their vote was at stake and so was their children's futures.

"Because of those who have come before, Sen. Obama and I have and so many of you have this precious right today. Because of all that has been done, we are in this historic presidential election. And I believe that both Sen. Obama and myself have an obligation as potential Democratic nominees - in fact we all have an obligation as Democrats - to carry on this legacy and ensure that in our nominating process, every voice is heard and every single vote is counted."

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Handy Guide to Why Hillary is lying about the Michigan/Florida primary vote




Make it stop!



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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:52 PM
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31. When it's all settled she's going to look even more foolish.
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:55 PM
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32. Time to 86 Hillary
The grown-ups really need to take charge.
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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:17 PM
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33. I'm torn between laughing or pulling my hair out at this point.
Thanks for all your indepth threads thru out it all, Prosense. Much Appreciated!
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TooRaLoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:45 PM
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29. "I am the stronger candidate to be John McCain in the fall"
Huh? Well, she certainly is emulating him far too often for my taste.
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Indenturedebtor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:47 PM
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30. Just when you think she can't sink any lower
Thanks for proving us all wrong yet again you turd. :puke:
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:19 PM
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34. That's really remarkably unmitigated gall.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 07:25 PM
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35. hilary is ill..quick somebody get a
chair so she can take a load off.
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-22-08 07:54 AM
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36. She also said, almost tripping over herself, "we have been mislead,"
referring to President Bush, when she's the one misleading at present.

Sickness, madness, and her colleagues appease her on top of it all. Someone needs to put a stop to it, the lying I mean. I don't care if she stays into the end, but the lying is getting depressing. It's like she can't help herself or something. Is she on the verge of a psychotic break?
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