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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:23 PM
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Until Hillary Has To Pay A Political Price For Her Actions-Shes Going To Keep Moving The Goal Posts"
Wednesday, May 21, 2008
Hillary is taking this to the convention
by John Aravosis (DC) · 5/21/2008

Until Hillary has to pay a political price for her actions, she's going to keep moving the goal posts until the entire game is lost.

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Putting aside for a moment the mutli-layered lie that is any talking point coming from the Clinton campaign (yes, the great white hope is now a champion against bigotry), the more important question isn't whether Hillary faced and faces sexism, but rather, why is Hillary still trying to open more wounds in the party and the electorate?

Hillary's latest greatest strategy is to convince her followers that they were robbed of their nomination because "elites" in Washington, including the Democratic elites (read: Superdelegates), hate women (I guess that's news to Nancy Pelosi). Now, what possible reason is there for Hillary to latch on to this new strategy? Because she's planning on leaving the election in the next 3 weeks and ending things on a high note? Because she thinks she can win 90% of the vote and 90% of the remaining Superdelegates by telling Democrats that they're a bunch of bigots? Hillary has stopped the personal attacks against Obama, but that wasn't because she finally realized she can't win, and that in the meantime she was simply hurting the party. Hillary stopped attacking Obama because she realized that she can't win BY ATTACKING OBAMA. She's found a new foil, sexism, and she has a new plan she's going to ride all the way to the convention. And she's told us as much all along, but no one wanted to believe her.

When has Hillary said even once that she'll end this by early June or mid-June, or any date at all? She refuses to set a date by which she will abide by the decision of the voters and the superdelegates, and if anything, her people have made quite clear that June will not end this. That should tell you something. If she were planning on pulling out in 2 or 3 weeks, she'd have said "after the last election, the person with the most superdelegates wins." But she hasn't said that. Why? Because Hillary knows that she can still steal this election on August 22, days before the start of the Democratic Convention. If political lightning finally strikes and we suddenly discover in August that Obama is actually a space alien hell bent on serving Americans as lunch, the superdelegates can legally switch their vote to Hillary and she would be our nominee. She's going to stay in the race, waiting for that day.

That, my friends, is what's going on. That's Hillary's plan. And why shouldn't it be? What possible penalty does Hillary pay for dragging the race until August and putting our party on the verge of, in not in a full-fledged, civil war? What - her histrionics might make Obama lose in November? Yeah, she's really worried about doing something that might allow her to run again in four years. No one in town is standing up to her. No one in the party, no one on the Hill. Hillary is paying, and will pay, no penalty for dragging this out until August, so why should she stop now?

more at:
http://www.americablog.com/2008/05/hillary-is-taking-this-to-convention.html
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:25 PM
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1. I know it doesn't help now, but she'll be paying a heavy price in '12
when she gets primaried right out of the Senate.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:35 PM
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6. I hope hilary has to pay her karmic debt
sooner than that. This isn't just about her narcissism..I think she has a metaphoric dlc gun to her head. It's like they're sayin'.. "this is it..now or we lose our grip on the power for a long time and that won't be pretty for you or me". Maybe it goes even deeper than losing grip on power..who the hell knows?
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:54 PM
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10. My thoughts exactly! n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:20 PM
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12. Kick for this important post..
And great minds!
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:30 PM
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2. My prayer is that the SDs move en masse to Obama after June 3
Cut her off. She can still lie in wait until the convention, but
the Supers have got to put their official blessing on Obama in the
meantime, and allow him to begin conducting a general election
campaign against Bomb Bomb McSame.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:30 PM
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3. Rec'd..we have to to through every hilary whine point until
she's shit out luck but like the 'toon says..she'll still be whinin' about at 3am when bil's tyin' to get some shut eye.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:31 PM
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4. Why is John so angry..? Last article I read by him he was very angry.
About the sexism ...I think it's correct that there have been very ugly things said about Hillary in the Media and on the blogs. John might not recognize it not being female but it's there. I don't think that Hillary should blame it on Obama. It's the Media doing what they do. It's easier for the MSedia to go after a woman than an outstanding African-American Candidate and be called racist. Especially since Rush and Fox and Malkin and Coulter has made Hillary bashing almost part of the culture.

I'm an Obama supporter but think what's been said about Hillary has been detrimental to the whole process.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:32 PM
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5. Wake up and smell the sabotage - n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:39 PM
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8. Precisely..I'm getting so sick of
people sticking up for hilary 'cause she's conned them into thinking she's not as bad as she is which is to say a traitor to not only the Dem party but her country.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:39 PM
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7. He's exactly right. And I think many of us caught on to that last night. Today, it is even clearer
since her chief strategist confirmed she is not dropping out until "one of us reaches the magic number". Didn't mention what the number "was".

She is NOT going to stop until the spineless party leaders make her. By that time, she will have been appeased to the point that there may be no stopping her destruction of the party.
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southern_belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:43 PM
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9. NOTHING she does surprises me.
The only thing that makes me feel better, is I know karma is a bitch. :evilgrin:
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nomaco-10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:54 PM
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11. Howard Dean will stand up to her on May 31st.....
Edited on Wed May-21-08 02:57 PM by nomaco-10
Whether or not after he stands up to her, yet once again, will make any difference, is anybody's guess. I doubt it.

Super delegates need to come out in big numbers before Montana and South Dakota so they can make it look like a state put him over the top instead of them. If he is not declared the winner after the primaries in Montana and SD by the party and the press, she is off to Puerto Rico where she will claim a huge victory and then it's on to Denver. She must be stopped before Puerto Rico, and the only people that can stop her at this point are the super delegates.
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IDemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:21 PM
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13. I don't believe at this point that Dean, Gore, Edwards, and the ghost of FDR could sway her
She's just waiting for the chance to unfurl a "Mission Accomplished" banner in Denver.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:21 PM
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14. Obama will end this with SDs before the convention.
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