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GihrenZabi Donating Member (426 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:02 PM
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Why is the party allowing this farce to continue?
Hillary is in even more debt. The SD's are not coming to her aid. She's never going to beat Obama.

So why the hell is the Democratic Party not putting an end to this?

Do they REALLY think that Hillary commands enough personal loyalty to cost Obama the election? Are they THAT scared of their chances in an election year when the economy has taken under Republican watch, and when we're embroiled in a war that was launched under false pretenses by the Republicans who also don't seem to know how to get us the hell out of there?

This is why I can never register Democrat! I may vote for them 99% of the time, but I can't sign up for a Party in this much internal disarray.

Why can't the Party see how many of me there are, people who might otherwise stand with them but who cannot stand the lack of cohesion, and the utter chaos that seems to take over the Democratic Party whenever they have tough choices to make, or hold the power in government and can't decide what to do with it?

Can someone explain to me why all the remaining SD's who intend to support Obama don't just fucking initiate the flood NOW and END this fucking farce of a primary to continue?

Does NO ONE in the Party leadership want to acknowledge the risk of allowing this to continue?

Why is Hillary's hand being held?

I'm getting SO frustrated with this stupid primary which has been over for months...can someone explain why this zombie is being allowed to continue shambling forward?
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:04 PM
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1. Hillary was the DNC &DLC's hand-picked choice. It is proving hard....
to let her go.

Remember what they did to Howard Dean so they could force John Kerry on us.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:15 PM
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8. Disagree. She was the MEDIA's choice...and probably DLC
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:21 PM
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11. DNC has the power to reign her in, and they have not...
In addition, the DNC is arranging this co-fundraiser, the outcome of which will greatly benefit Hillary and allow her to continue on to her goal: to really fuck up convention in August.

There is no reason for the DNC to push for more money for Hillary unless they want her to continue on as she has been.

Finally, over the years the DNC has had DLC members in policy-setting positions in the DNC. So the DNC is far more influenced by the DLC than they would like you to know.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:59 PM
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25. I think if the DNC were a part of this, then MI and FL would have been "blessed"...
I think DNC perhaps is "knuckling under" a bit to some pressure here and there, but make no mistake about it, is more entities like the DLC, the DCCC, and the corporate lobbyists that are behind this. If the DNC had "blessed" MI and FL by now, then Hillary would be coronated for them by now.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:04 PM
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2. At this point I don't care how upset the hillary people get...this should
be stopped now...if the shoe was on the other foot they would be screaming bloody murder...
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:07 PM
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3. I used to think they were scared of the Clintons
Im starting to think the party leaders are actually enjoying watching the Clintons make asses of themselves.

In either case, they are allowing the party to be damaged by her staying in the race.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:08 PM
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4. Good question. She is now trying to compare the Primary to Election 2000. She has slipped
over the edge and needs to be put out of her misery.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:10 PM
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5. The supers are cowards just like most of the rest of the party officials
Why do you think so many Democrats, including Hillary, voted for IWR when they knew it was not the best way to proceed? Why haven't they tackled health care, outsourcing of jobs or any of the other major issues facing their constituents? Because they are cowards.

The superdelegates are representative of that group because that's where they come from - elected members of Congress and party officials who reflect the basic problem - They will not face any issue head on that will cause them any political controversy.
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griffi94 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:13 PM
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6. maybe you could scream
and claw your face. i figure at this point why not wait till the last primary is over. then worry about what to do next. considering the raw feelings of so many democrats i don't think the party will help itself by stepping in now. best to just let it play out. should they force hillary out now you can bet a lot of her supporters will not vote for obama in november. jmo
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Unsane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:15 PM
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7. Agreed
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:17 PM
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9. It's starting to look as if someone is going to have to go out and
physically drag her off the campaign trail. She'll probably still be running a year from now, long after Obama is in office.
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natrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:17 PM
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10. one sad conclusion is that the party leadership is complete bs and in league with the neocons
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:21 PM
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12. Why is the party allowing this to continue?
Cuz the "party" (unlike alot of D.U.ers) knows what's good for it.
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:41 PM
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13. Why don't you ask South Dakota, Montana and Puerto Rico that?
Post this again on June 3rd and you might have a point. Until then, your point is not yet ripe.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:48 PM
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14. Why should the party
shut down a spirited contest when there's still more primaries to come?

Nobody has won yet - let the process play out.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:52 PM
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19. Because the point of the primarys is not to feed Clinton's ego, its to put a democrat in the best
position to beat the republicans in November. What Hillary is doing, after it is abundently clear that she has lost, is counter to that.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:05 PM
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27. do you ever get tired of typing things that you don't even believe?
Hillary has drained all the Spirit out of this competition like the Vampire she is.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:07 PM
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29. So she quits on June 3rd, in the case the supers have sided more
with Obama and he's the one? Great, see you on June 3rd.
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Saturday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:48 PM
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15. Does Obama have the delegates needed? No.That's why it continues. nt.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:50 PM
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17. Defacto, just no dejurie
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:49 PM
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16. Its called the Clinton Political Machine. There are Supers out there scrared
to go against them. They almost put a hit out on Bill Richardson
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:50 PM
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18. Party owned and run by the Clinton machine.
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LisaM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:53 PM
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20. Well among other things, it's the DEMOCRATIC party in the United States
Not the national socialist party, or the facist party, or any other of a dozen I could name. Like it or not, in this country, people have the right to run for president.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:55 PM
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21. All I can say is I wish she had fought this hard for every vote to be counted in 2004.
I don't remember her having anything to say on the subject then. But I do remember Barbara Boxer being the ONLY senator to stand tall with Stephanie Tubbs-Jones' efforts to challenge the count. Now, suddenly, Hillary is the great vote-count champion.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:56 PM
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22. As always -- follow the money
There are wealthy corporate interests who are backing Hillary. The party needs these donors for the general election. Until the wealthy corporate donors give the party permission to end Hillary's campaign, the party cannot do it.

That's all. It's really not that hard.

The party leaders do what the corporations tell them to do.

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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:11 PM
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30. That makes sense in terms of following the money - but why would corporations give money to the dem
party?

Obama doesn't need the money either - he's got donors.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:25 PM
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31. Because they think they're going to win
and Hillary has been kind of bought and paid for already. She's raked in millions from Big Pharma, insurance, hospitals, and Wall Street. They don't want to see that money wasted.

Corporations always give to both parties. Don't be deluded into thinking that you can run a presidential campaign on the nickels and dimes that we send.

So far this election cycle, corporations have given almost half a billion dollars to the Dems.
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 06:25 PM
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37. Thank you for your reply -
How come Barack keeps saying he's raised all this money from individual donors & not PACS. Is he being misleading by saying that?
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:56 PM
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23. to paraphrase will rogers,
we don't belong to an organized political party. we're democrats.
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mamalone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:57 PM
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24. Someone needs to do an intervention on this woman..
Seriously- I do not jest. I think she envisions herself as a modern day Truman holding up the newspaper saying "Dewey WINS!!".. the ComeBack Kid.. the Gutsy-Gal-Who-Overcame-Incredible-Odds.. she just needs to hold on until the magic happens and the tide turns. Maybe she's making some enemies now, but we'll all forgive her in the end. "That Hillary," we'll all say, "Thank God she had the nerve to stay in after everyone counted her out!" She has all these illusions built up in her mind...

But the reality is that she is making a fool of herself. It's so disturbing to see someone as intelligent and competent as Hillary deteriorating before our very eyes. If the people around her care about her at all, they need to step up and help her to face reality. Now!.... or better yet yesterday!
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:02 PM
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26. How do they stop her? nt
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:06 PM
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28. the 17 million people who voted for HRC
are part of the "party" also.


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And you're not even a registered Democrat, by your own admission.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:27 PM
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32. Hillary is considered unstable by the party, and they therefore treat her like a crazy person
They want to avoid having her do something terribly destructive, because they're afraid she will, since she's not sane.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:27 PM
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33. Shits and giggles.
Just a guess.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:43 PM
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34. Because they're scardeycrats
but in all seriousness, they're just waiting till June 3rd, so that there decisions appear to be "final" hence even after the seating of michigan/florida
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:45 PM
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35. It sure seems like a long wait until the much vaunted meeting of May 31st. //nt
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 05:00 PM
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36. There has got to be some way to stop her. If there isn't our primary process needs SERIOUS reform.
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