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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:06 PM
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Jim Webb Speaks Out On Race, Addresses Grievances Of White America

Jim Webb Speaks Out On Race, Addresses Grievances Of White America

It's refreshing when someone makes the effort to advance the discussion of this year's election beyond debating a black/white divide. So when that someone is oft-mentioned potential Democratic running mate Jim Webb, it's worth taking note.

Webb appeared on Morning Joe today to speak about his newest book, A Time to Fight: Reclaiming a Fair and Just America, and to dodge questions about whether he would accept a spot on Barack Obama's presidential ticket. But since the Kentucky primary had just provided pundits with fodder to discuss the ever-popular "Does Obama have a working whites problem?" Webb weighed in on the election results and his Scotch-Irish heritage.

Webb suggested that race is indeed a factor in Obama's poor performance among white voters along the east of the country, saying, "we shouldn't be surprised by the way their voting now." But he bristled at what he suggested is a simplistic interpretation of the issue. "When I hear people say this is racism, my back gets up a little bit, because that's my cultural group."

Webb sought to explain what motivates Scotch-Irish Americans. First, says Webb, it's not a generic race or geographic label, but rather "a very powerful cultural group that's always underestimated, and it's not always in the Appalachian mountains." And the issue is not Obama himself, who Webb thinks is "saying a lot of good things that will appeal to this cultural group in time."

Rather, Webb -- whose previous book Born Fighting explores the effect of Scotch-Irish culture on America's formation -- argued that Scotch-Irish voters' unwillingness to support Obama is less about the candidate himself, than about a sense of injustice among the community manifested by the government assistance afforded to minorities in the post-Civil Rights Era:

This isn't Selma, 1965. This is a result of how affirmative action, which was basically a justifiable concept when it applied to African Americans, expanded to every single ethnic group in America that was not white, and these were the people who had not received benefits and were not getting anything out of it. And their basically saying let's pay attention to what has happened to this cultural group in terms of opportunities.


Webb even drew a parallel between this bloc and African Americans, suggesting that their grievances with and needs from the federal government are remarkably similar.

Black America and Scotch-Irish America are like tortured siblings. They both have long history and they both missed the boat when it came to the larger benefits that a lot of other people were able to receive. There's a saying in the Appalachian mountains that they say to one another, and it's, "if you're poor and white, you're out of sight." ...

If this cultural group could get at the same table as black America you could rechange populist American politics. Because they have so much in common in terms of what they need out of government.



A powerful coalition indeed. If only there were two politicians who understood these cultures, and had the desire and capacity to unity them for a common cause...



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/21/jim-webb-speaks-out-on-ra_n_102915.html



A powerful coalition indeed - Obama/Webb?
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oviedodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:08 PM
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1. One of the commenters mentioned that a CNN reporter asked someone in KY
why they would not vote for Obama in the GE the reply:

"He needs to stop being so black"

Now I ask HOW IN THE HELL IS OBAMA SUPPOSED TO CONNECT WITH THAT!
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:24 PM
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9. Wow
that's fugly as it gets.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:00 PM
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14. They need to stop being so stupid. (nt)
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:08 PM
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2. Thanks for posting this.
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:08 PM
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3. Every time this many opens his mouth or puts electrons to computer...
...his stock goes up in my book.

Duke

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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:14 PM
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4. this will be very, very tricky territory to navigate. i think there's a danger that
it could begin to sound like or become identified with that nauseating republican whine about the poor, poor white man. and the "oh it's just so awful how unjusts things are for the white man in these times."

if -- and i believe it's a big "if" -- that can be circumnavigated, i agree that it's a powerful coalition. working folks are working folks if you take the racial thing out of it. black folks have gotten the short end of the stick in this society for many, many years. and working folks of all colors, including the white, scotch-irish type webb's talking about, have gotten the shaft since about 1980, when reagan took office.

i also think the argument has to be framed carefully. what exactly are the awful things that are happening to white people? i'm having a hard time coming up with them. and i say that as a white male of scotch-irish heritage.

on another note, i, personally, don't care for webb. but that's a whole different matter.
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:16 PM
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5. The more I see of Webb, the more I think he's the guy for Obama ...
Edited on Wed May-21-08 03:21 PM by LSparkle
Tim Kaine could appoint a new Democratic Senator from VA anyway ...
Webb has the military experience and the crossover appeal (former
Repub, worked in Reagan administration), and he and Obama see
eye to eye on the war. What's remarkable about Webb is that
he's speaking out on the white underclass while Obama has dared
to broach the lingering racism issue -- their messages are
close, just begging to be intertwined.

On edit: Uh-oh, but that might be *CLASS WARFARE* !!! :sarcasm:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:16 PM
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6. Being a part of that cultural group, also....
I agree with Webb. The blacks and the Appalachian people probably have more in common than they realize. When Martin Luther King had his Poor People's March on Washington, he was not just marching for the blacks, but also the poor whites of Appalachia.

At present, this area is very depressed. Their hope is that they will get a President that will create jobs for them and their families. That is their major attraction to Hillary. It is not simple racism, although there is some of that also.

I find it amazing that people do not see why these folks, church-going mostly, would not hold the Clintons in low esteem because of the sex shenanigans engaged in by Bill? Would that not keep them from voting for Hillary, if they were indeed as intolerant as some folks might say? They are voting out of desperation mostly. Obama could connect with these folks but I think he has written them off?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:19 PM
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7. "their voting now," "their basically saying"
Who transcribed this, and why don't they know the difference between "their" and "they're"?

I agree with Webb that it's a cultural thing more than it is a color-of-the-skin thing. These people are even mocked on DU, "low information voters" and all that.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:21 PM
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8. Does anyone even consider the background
of these people who get touted for veep before the touting starts? I'm not talking about the OP, but rather about the goobers in the FPM ("For-Profit Media").

Lemme see if I've got this straight: Webb's going to bridge Obama's "white" gap (the very concept of which I find appalling and insulting) with a longtime member of the Repiglickin Party working on Marriage Number Three. Yeah, that's gonna go over real good with those "valyooz voters" in the hills and hollers.

As a liberal, I don't give a damn who he marries or how many times. I do not, however, trust Republicans, especially when the Republican in question is a "heartbeat away from the presidency." I also don't trust senators who can't be bothered to vote against telecom immunity in the Senate.

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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:32 PM
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12. Also there are still groups of women who still don't trust him
He said some very disparaging things about women when he was Secy. of Navy. Pundits thought that it was going to derail his Senate campaign.

This would definately give Geraldine something to whine about.
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GrpCaptMandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 08:33 PM
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16. Forgot about that
The article was "Women Can't Fight." 1979

Yeah, I'm guessing that wouldn't play any too well. Certainly bothers me, and I'm a guy.
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LucyParsons Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:27 PM
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10. Thanks for posting this
I am intrigued by Webb; loved his book; hope he's the VP choice.
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:27 PM
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11. I think Webb brings up a lot of good points
I think he'd be an ideal running mate for Obama. What he's talking about is poverty and lack of opportunity among the poor, white population of Appalachia. A lot of these folks have gotten a raw deal, and are commonly thought of as "poor, white trash" by people in higher socio-economic classes. African-Americans living in poverty have a lot in common with the poor whites in Appalachia. But we must come up with a way to bridge the resentment gap between these groups if we are ever going to make significant progress against poverty in this country.

Webb appeals to a lot of the same folks who like John Edwards, and he addresses a lot of the same issues that were near and dear to his heart. And he's also got national security & military cred.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 03:54 PM
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13. I thought of John Edwards as well
I voted for Edwards in the 2004 primary; he'd dropped out when I voted in 2008.

However, I think Edwards is seen as a rich, white liberal in spite of his mill background.

Webb, on the other hand, looks and sounds like a Scotts Irish mountain man.

I would love for Obama and Webb to be able to make the case that both African Americans and poorer whites can change the eonomic power structure in this country to benefit both groups.

The last time that happened was Reconstruction.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 04:09 PM
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15. Webb said, "Scotch-Irish"?
Erm, I was under the impression that no self-respecting Scot-Irish, would refer to themselves as Scotch-Irish. Second impression, the Irish are not too keen on the Scots because the Scots copped their own attitude, ergo, maybe the black-Americans and early Irish immigrant had something in common, but the Scots have their own way of wiggling into power, and I don't see them at all sharing similar histories as black-Americans. Truth be told, weren't many of the black slave owners of the South of Scottish descent? And don't you remember where they caught all those politicians, including Tom Feeney, accepting a free trip? It was to Scotland. Do you suppose there might have been some lobbyists of Scottish descent around to take advantage of it?
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