$#!^ - Kerry leads 48-41 in HAWAII !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Gore won this state by 18 points. How could Kerry be leading by just seven now?!?!

Kerry's leading by more in Pennsylvania and Michigan than in Hawai'i!

but I have no doubt in the end it will be solid for Kerry.

Polls are erratic creatures, viewed individually. A poll in California a couple days before the 2000 election showed Gore up by only a single percentage point.

Peter

a while back. It happens.

Sorry, but the idea of any Democratic Presidential candidate being only 7 points down in Indiana is hilarious.

Unfortunately, most of the folks here in Indiana will just blindly pull the GOP lever for president, irregardless of who's running.

When I went to an event a few years ago where the Great Ann Richards was speaking, she talked about how, when she was a girl, Indiana was called "The Alabama of the North". It's not much better now. In 2000, Gore only carried 6 out of 92 counties.

We in Northwest Indiana should petition for annexation into Illinois or Michigan!!

..from the 1920s from when the Klan practically owned the state. It's stayed very conservative, relatively speaking.

On edit: 1984, I suppose it did. Any other times though?

Massachusetts was the only state not to go for him.

I doubt either campaign is even spending any money there. Kerry is using his resources in battleground states.

maybe some of us can go campaign for him in HI! Anyone want to go? :-)

I recently received an immersion lesson in current Hawaiian politics by crunching the state information for the DU database.

The state will no doubt go for Kerry, but the Republican presence there is probably stronger than ever before.

You have to live in Hawaii to know why we have a Republican governor here. Hawaii is as liberal as ever (Kucinich got 30% of the vote in the primaries here; that's the highest in the U.S.), and h*ll, I'm a left-wing nutcase, and I supported Lingle.

It's like this: before Lingle, Hawaii had a Democratic governor for 40 years. The Democrats were in charge for so long that they became complacent. There was corruption everywhere, and the only way out was to elect someone who would really change things and make the Democratic party get back to its senses. In fact, by that time, the Democratic party was more conservative than the Republican party. Lingle, for example, was pro-gay, whereas Hirono was anti-gay (Hawaii is 2% gay).

There you have it. This is when I learned why a country needs more than one real political party. Now, I have nothing against the Republican party per se. Sure, the national Republican party has been taken over by neocons, but if it were dominated by normal, reasonable, traditional, secular Republicans, I would be much less of a leftist.

It would help if Kerry would show up here. I guess I should start campaigning here. I always thought it wasn't necessary.

And thanks for the interesting insight into Hawaiian state politics!

I just want to add that Lingle is an incredible woman. She is a very good speaker. If she were the governor of a more important place like New York, I have no doubt she would be the first woman president.

My only problem with her is that she's a Republican: she's pro-business, and she claims to support Bush. I can't imagine how anyone as smart as she is can be anything but disgusted with Bush. I suspect she does that to get the support of the administration. She'll probably be supporting Kerry once he's president.

Edited to add:
Here is her biography, for anyone who is interested:
http://www.hawaii.gov/gov/gov/biography.html

& apathy reigns right now.

Seriously, why not post this in our state forum...someone more informed than I can give you an answer.

I know Kerry will easily win..but I don t know by how much.

Also lots of minorities. That's why it's so liberal. I don't know the statistics, but there seems to be a small number of people who are wealthy, and a large number who are poor, including lots of homeless people starving on the streets.

People in Hawaii just don't think they matter. Nobody ever cares about Hawaii; the election is usually over by the time it's Hawaii's turn. Furthermore, everybody knows Hawaii will vote Democratic. Lots of liberals in Hawaii don't bother to vote, I think, because they think Hawaii will go liberal by default.

This is why it's so important to get rid of the electoral college. The system is outdated and undemocratic. The president should be decided by the popular vote, as in other democracies.

Hawaii is one of the proudest Democratic states and one of the most progressive. The Bush recession has cost that state dearly in tourism revenue and it got hit, like most other states, with drastically reduced state revenues thanks to the tax giveaway to the rich.

We still have 3 months to go and eventually I see this regime imploding over its arrogance and incompetence...and millions of Americans waking up and energized to make a change.

Cheers to the great Aloha state...a place I'd love to retire to someday...especially since it's truely a Democratic paradise.

Except for that Governor they got....

I explained why Hawaii has a Republican governor a few posts above. She is a pro-gay, pro-environment, pro-reducing-poverty Republican governor, much more liberal than the conservative so-called Democrat she was running against.

And don't be such a know-it-all about states you've obviously never lived in and clearly know nothing about.

"much more liberal than the conservative so-called Democrat she was running against."

That's nonsense.

I figured.

usually do well in Hawaii. Don't worry though Kerry will still win it even if it's not by 18 points.

It is true. The Republican Jewish Female Governor is more Liberal than the Democrats around here.

But Kerry will still win. My daughter lives in Honolulu and her husband is in the military, Air Force. They are voting for Kerry, her boss is ex military and he is for Kerry. But a lot on base are stupidly for Bush. They had a party and some people saw her Clinton book and gave her a bad time.

I am going over in Sept for two weeks, and bringing my buttons, bumper stickers and attitude!! I am staying lots of places on two islands and will be major bush bashing in the spas...that's how I vacation!

Sounds like and oxymoron. Aloha and enjoy the Islands.