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Let him retire to anonymity. Let him ruminate on his fall from grace. Let him be tormented by the knowledge that he is directly helping the neoconservative agenda.

My opinion is that most Nader voters of 2000 are pragmatic enough this time to vote for Kerry-Edwards. I think his campaign has been too piecemeal this time. He doesn't have the push he had then.

Non-factor. Ignore it. After the election, there will be a bunch of left/progressive folks to deal with, and the party owes them a lot for reviving support of the Democratic Party.

anybody willing to vote for him at this point would not be voting for Kerry anyways.

If the GOP wants to give him money, more power to the both of them, but I'm not wasting an ounce more of energy on the Naderites. Our resources are best concentrated towards the center.

As he seems to be pulling 4-5% in the polls. Disenfranchised liberals are flocking to him.

LET IT BE KNOWN RIGHT HERE THAT IF NOTHING IS DONE ABOUT NADER, HE WILL COST US THE ELECTION AGAIN.

I stand by my prediction.

Most Naderites bail.

and we were right...

in 2000 Nader won less than 3% of the vote nationwide. And four years ago he was on the ballot in 44 states, now Nader isn't even on the ballot in 20 states. And David Cobb is only on the ballot in 24 states.

Cobb and Nader are fighting over who gets the Green party's slots in the same states, like California. Both know it is very unlikely they will gain ballot access in additional states. Doesn't less ballot access reduce the Green vote by half?

nader pulls in maybe 2% in the polls I have seen recently, and I wouldn't be surprised if he gets less than 1%. He is a non-factor. Disenfranchised liberals? I don't think so. Even most of the most radical left are stating they intend to "hold their nose" and vote for Kerry.

Did you lose a lot in the stock market when the high-tech bubble burst, or did you predict that too?

Man. Enough of this disinformation already.

...and I predict you're dead wrong
It is fine to prefer that Nader wasn't running, but the fact is, he's in the race. It's important to remember he is not the enemy. You and I know that Nader is ANYTHING but a Republican tool. It is nearly impossible to raise money for a third-party candidate, probably harder for an independent candidate. He'll take money wherever he can, he doesn't get big federal funding.
I was at a book signing recently with Ralph Nader. We agree with him! He's a great liberal! I understand you don't want him to "cost us the election," but he's not the bad guy here.
Secondly, I don't think he'll be running in November. I know why he's running. He and his supporters are involved in a political game of chicken with the Democratic party. Nader's car is small, he won't let himself crash into the SUV that is the Democratic party. Nader wants Kerry to pay attention to the left, and we should, too.
Don't vote for Nader, ESPECIALLY if you live in a swing state. But calm down. He's on our side, no matter what you say.

http://www.strategicvision.biz/political/minnesota080504.htm

Below are the results of a four-day poll of likely voters in the critical battleground state of Minnesota for the presidential race. Results are based on telephone interviews with 801 likely voters in Minnesota, aged 18+, and conducted July 31-August 3, 2004. The margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

1. If the election were held today, would you vote for Bush—Cheney or Kerry—Edwards?

Bush—Cheney 45%
Kerry—Edwards 49%
Undecided 6%

2. If the election were held today, would you vote for Bush—Cheney, Kerry—Edwards, or Nader—Camejo?

Bush—Cheney 45%
Kerry—Edwards 47%
Nader—Camejo 3%
Undecided 5%

Assuming he does...would he take more votes away from Kerry, or just split up Greens with Cobb and Kerry?

And the poll shows Nader taking 2% from Kerry, 1% from Undecided. So using Undecided as proxy for Cobb, Nader takes more from Kerry than Cobb. It would be very interesting to throw Cobb in mix, and see how it affects Undecided, Kerry & Nader. In any event, Nader can easily take 2% that would otherwise vote for Kerry and if it is as close as it seems it may be, it could be determinative.

For reference sake, here is 2000 MN results showing Nader with 5.2% . . .

US PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT Totals Pct Graph
CONSTITUTION PARTY PHILLIPS AND FRAZIER 3272 0.13
DEMOCRATIC FARMER LABOR PARTY GORE AND LIEBERMAN 1168266 47.91
REPUBLICAN PARTY BUSH AND CHENEY 1109659 45.50
SOCIALIST WORKERS PARTY HARRIS AND TROWE 1022 0.04
REFORM PARTY MINNESOTA BUCHANAN AND FOSTER 22166 0.91
REFORM PARTY HAGELIN AND GOLDHABER 2294 0.09
LIBERTARIAN PARTY BROWNE AND OLIVIER 5282 0.22
GREEN PARTY NADER AND LADUKE 126696 5.20
NO PARTY MARCUS AND TO BE DETERMINED ** 17 0.00
NO PARTY MOONEY AND HEIBERGER ** 7 0.00
NO PARTY STRICKLAND AND MARTLE ** 4 0.00

http://elections.sos.state.mn.us/ENR2000_General/ElecRslts.asp?M=S&R=P&P=A

the poll had..

45% Bush
47% Kerry
3% Nader
5% undecided..

Nader may get 2%
Cobb might get 2% from the undecideds
with Bush and Kerry splitting the remaining undecideds equally and Kerry taking 1% from Nader.

If nader is on some state ballots, states leaning Kerry, nader may get some votes from Kerry. At the same time those people would have voted for anybody or not voted at all. The strategy has to be, register new voters in the thousands to vote democrat.

The people left are many poor people who don't understand or want to vote at all. The fact is, there are more republicans upset with bush and will vote Kerry or will not vote at all, and there are no democrats switching to bush except Zell Miller.

if you'll all be singing a different tune after the RNC's poll bump.

All I'm saying is that turning our back on Nader is stupid at best and suicidal at worst. It's not disinformation; look at Florida and New Hampshire in 2000.

and Nader is struggling to get on the ballot in Florida!