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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:50 PM
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A Republican wingnut just said this on another forum!
If this guy is feeling this way, Bush is FINSIHED:


No, I am not leaving the Party. I think the Democratic party is beset by a series of problems and is long gone from their Truman-Kennedy roots, I'd like to tell every one of the Democrat posters on this board that if they think they can affect change from the inside, you are nuts.

No, I don't like John Kerry. I think he is a borderline traitor. His involvement in the Winter Soldier investigation makes him as bad as Michael Moore. His views on policy are as wrong as wrong can be, from social policy, to defense policy, to economic policy.

If he were to win this election, the country would be in mortal peril, as would our allies. The course we would take would put nuclear arms in the hands of Iran, would likely result in Israel being wiped off the map, and could result in countless deaths of Americans right here in our homeland. But how would that be different than what we have right now?

There are two categories of reasons for my consideration of voting for Kerry. The first, is the failure of George Bush to fulfill the promises he made four years ago, the second is the failure of George Bush to resolve problems that have arisen in the period between his election and today.

There were three reasons I voted for Bush in 2000, and he has failed in all three regards, though to varying degree. He promised income tax cuts and social security reform, which I saw as a large part of the solution to a recession I foresaw coming. The second was his promise to restore honor and dignity to the White House, after the disgusting Clinton years. The third was his promise to rebuild the military. The last was the most important by far.

He did cut income taxes; I'll give him that. And for a while, the economy seemed to be recovering. But he has done nothing to modernize the US government or reform its often times wasteful operations. He has done nothing about a spendthrift congress. He has no energy policy, no trade policy, and no labor policy. He has failed to sufficiently augment his primary economic policy with corollary policies that will make it workable. Now, with rising deficits and energy costs and a trade deficit that is growing at a remarkable rate, the economy is falling back into recession. I wanted Bush because he would improve the economy. At the end of his first term, he has left it just as he found it when he started: on the verge of full-blown recession.

He did avoid the sex scandals that plagued the Clinton White House; I'll give him that. But the crony capitalism he embodies cannot be forgiven lightly. The no-bid contracts to Halliburton, the cutting of safety regulations, and most of all the appointment of one CEO and lobbyist to a high position after another. Don Evans, John Snow, Paul O'Neil, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Mel Martinez, and more. The lineup of CEOs and lobbyists, the embracing of the revolving door, and the serving of special interests over national interests is disgraceful. What would Teddy Roosevelt say? What would Reagan say? What would Lincoln say? This is not the Republican Party I joined.

The unforgivable sin is the failure to rebuild the military. I said in 2000 that Clinton's irresponsible policies were resulting in a military that was too small to perform its missions and was faced with too many commitments overseas. Today, the military is smaller than it was four years ago (In fact, reducing the size of the military has been official US policy for Donald Rumsfeld's Pentagon) and has infinitely more missions. We are going in the wrong direction on both counts.

Some Presidents fail to fulfill their promises but achieve great things by dealing with crises along the way to completing their term. Has Bush done this? Not really.

Since December of 2001, when the Taliban fell, US foreign policy in response to 9/11 has been one disaster after another. The prime example of this bumbling is the conduct of the Bush administration on Iraq. I supported and still support the Iraq War. They sponsored terrorism, they had weapons of mass destruction and programs to build more, and they were run by a genocidal lunatic. But the way Bush went about the invasion was ham handed and frighteningly irresponsible.

In the run up to war, the administration failed. They spent 15 months between the Axis of Evil Speech and the actual invasion. Then, they used a force that was too small and too light for the job. This is not Monday morning quarterbacking, I said this at the time. We now know that Saddam and Al Qaeda (Zarqawi in particular) used that time to organize the insurgency. Soldiers died because Bush hesitated. There's no way around it.

In the aftermath of the war, the Bush policy has rewarded our enemies and punished our friends. Ahmad Chalabi has been persecuted, as it turns out with no justification, and his brother charged with murder, in spite of there being no actual evidence of his involvement. Ali Sistani has bee snubbed and insulted. The Kurds have been ignored. Our election plan gives special favors to the Sunnis, the one group most hostile to the US. We have coddled Sadr, put a Saddamite general in charge of Fallujah, and have left $18 billion in aid money unspent. Iraq's unemployment rate is now near 70% according to some estimates, and jobless Iraqis means a happy Osama.

The refusal to transfer power to Iraqis and insist on a US led occupation made things worse. Paul Bremer was a disaster, and everything he did was wrong. Now that we have transferred power to Iraqis, the Iraq we chose (actually he was chosen by the anti-American UN and the anti-American envoy Lakhdar Brahimi, who we handed that job over to) is Iyad Allawi. Allawi is an undemocratic former Ba'athist. The leadership and institutions we have set up in Iraq do not in any way resemble democracy. Nearly 1000 American soldiers died to bring democracy to Iraq, and George Bush has established a perfect setup for a new dictatorship, this time under Iyad Alalwi. If this turns out to be true, those kids died for almost nothing. This makes me physically ill.

If anyone can talk me out of my mood, please do. I have never been this pessimistic about the future of my country. I don't want to believe the worst about Bush, but I think he has sold us (the party) out. This isn't meant to be a conversion to the Democrats, its an exorcism of the Republicans.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:54 PM
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1. He's wrong about Kerry. Kerry is an anti-proliferation hawk.
Edited on Tue Aug-10-04 08:56 PM by blm
And has been for about 15 years.

A big part of his 97 book, The New War, was about the funding of terrorism and the very real possibility of terrorist countries acquiring nukes.

That poster should do more research and stop buying into the spin about Kerry.

I did enjoy his analysis of the Bush administration and agree with most of it.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 09:03 PM
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4. If Kerry were smart he would allow nuclear waste reprocessing
Sure it creates plutonium, however it greatly greatly reduce the amount of waste that needs to be disposed off.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:54 PM
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2. Where do Republicans get this crap?
If (Kerry) were to win this election, the country would be in mortal peril, as would our allies. The course we would take would put nuclear arms in the hands of Iran, would likely result in Israel being wiped off the map, and could result in countless deaths of Americans right here in our homeland. But how would that be different than what we have right now?

Why? When has a Democratic president ever done any of these terrible things that Republicans love to predict they will do? Republicans said the same things about Clinton before he took office. He did a great job as president!

It's Republican presidents like W who keep getting us in trouble.

These guys ought to clean up their own house before they come pointing fingers at us. This guy sounds like a whiney-butt. I have no patience with this kind of whining.

Oh yeah - I guess it's good that he noticed that W is a liar and a failure. I'm sure his buddies will talk him out of his bad mood by reminding him how Kerry will take us to the brink of nuclear war.

Jerks.
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northzax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 08:56 PM
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3. single best line, and the reason Bush will lose:
But how would that be different than what we have right now?

How could it be any worse? anyone?
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Deb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 09:25 PM
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5. Sad this -
"I wanted Bush because he would improve the economy. At the end of his first term, he has left it just as he found it when he started: on the verge of full-blown recession."

I only wish bush could leave it as he had found it, we'd all be better off.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 09:38 PM
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7. Yeah, that line stuck out like a sore thumb for me, too!
I didn't realize Clinton's $90 billion budget surplus was such a negative. I do remember the respect given to Clinton by Alan Greenspan when they saw each other at the 9-11 memorial service; it was clear watching them in conversation that Greenspan respected & had genuine affection for Clinton.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 09:51 PM
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8. $90BB? More like $233BB
About a $700BB swing downward in 3.5 years....to -$450BB with this administration. Yeah, this guy's right to be pissed. It just hasn't sunk in as to what the criminals in this administration have really done to this country.
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Ready4Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 09:37 PM
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6. I dont agree with him 100%, but I do on many points.
Cheifly the line "This is not the Republican Party I joined."

I can't fathom why Republicans are supporting this Bush administration.
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