the biggest Obama fans will have to admit that he had NO CHANCE

to be the nominee as long as the mutual love and respect between blacks and the Clintons continued.So,
The Clintons had to become racists.(more evidence shows the obama campaign and some in the whoremedia played the race card and blamed Hillary and Bill)

"I think that they played the race card on me. And we now know, from memos from the campaign and everything that they planned to do it all along," WJC

A review of what actually happened shows that the charges that the Clintons played the "race card" were not simply false; they were deliberately manufactured by the Obama camp and trumpeted by a credulous and/or compliant press corps in order to strip away her once formidable majority among black voters and to outrage affluent, college-educated white liberals as well as college students.

The Clinton campaign, in fact, has not racialized the campaign, and never had any reason to do so. Rather the Obama campaign and its supporters, well-prepared to play the "race-baiter card"

Can anybody argue with that?

Shalom
Ben David

when you call a state that goes for Obama "black-loaded", your credibility on this issue kinda goes out the window.....

"Funny, for a race that was "over" months ago,Obama lost West Virginia by 41 points and he lost Kentucky by 35 points. Obama did well in Carolina and Oregon, but how many states do we have that are black-loaded like Carolina or extra-liberal like Oregon? Since 2/19 HRC has added more then 400,000 votes more then obama."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6084842#6084910

A google search for the term turns up zero

who said in another thread that Obama had "black-loaded" some states

:wtf:

No? Thought not, it's just more victim drivel from the hillbots...

and black-loaded?

so states where there are more women are vagina-loaded? It's hard to deny using race as a wedge issue with terminology like that...

:puke:

:spray:

Reminds me of a book I used to have... :hide:

my current state is probably more like 50-50 penis to vagina. frankly, its a real drag!

i'd very much enjoy moving to one of these vagina loaded states. maybe vaginia?

the Northeast is the most vagina-loaded region :shrug: I hope you like the cold;)

:rofl:


that is a great term.

All DID!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQV4K1eFjI&watch_response along with his co chair heading into SC..which also BROKE the Rooolz!

Still not Obama, one of his campaign chairs? yeah and it was silly and ugly what he said (in JANUARY), but still not Obama. Hillary on the other hand has made direct statements that are racially divisive. BTW, Michelle and Oprah???? :wtf:

Or will you be leaving right away??

smarter and better than both Clintons put together? Of course not. B. Clinton played the race card, then H. Clinton played the race card, and when the Obama campaign called them on it, the Clinton Projection Team went into combat mode. You don't win by ignoring any kind of attack, but sometimes you lose when you try to pull one over on your opponent.

If you want to deny that Clinton, Inc. has played the race card right down the line in this whole primary season, then you are partaking of that popular children's drink we all know so well. Your thirst will never be slaked.

put down the booze/bong/crack pipe and stop posting

I don't think they did.

They did skirt around the edges of the rhetoric though.

I merely point and laugh.

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And so does my black colleague who is a Clinton supporter. He said that he thinks Blacks started gravitating toward Obama after he proved himself to them by showing in Iowa that he could win white voters. After that it became a question of whether or not they were willing to stop the first African American with a real chance to become president.

How much of your Clinton support is based in your religion?

You're "BenDavid", your icon is the Star of David, you close occasional posts with "shalom"...how much of your support for Clinton is a Jewish thing?

I'm atheist, so I think this is a silly argument, but do you consider your religion when you choose a Presidential candidate and how much of an influence is your religion?

The more people call out these under-handed talking points, the less answers we receive when the cards are put on the table.

I asked a guy yesterday after he put a post up parroting right-wing anti-Obama talking points and saying that he was firmly a Hillary supporter whether he would vote for Obama should he become the nominee. Silence ensued.

And often wonder if there are some Jews who are supporting Hillary because they believe Obama to be antisemetic.

Bill Clinton started all the race wagon rolling in SC. Hillary Clinton saw the opportunity and pick up on Bill's lead.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6068617&mesg_id=6068617

You decide! :rofl:

:rofl:

... :rofl:

"Things I Learned Tonight"
As Essay by NanceGreggs

When you spit red wine all over your monitor, it makes a very, very, very big mess. VERY.

I prefer Merlot, myself. :shrug: Red Zinfandel with turkey.

... or "MUR-lott" as we lovingly refer to it.

I very rarely drink it - I'm a sake person, myself.

But I can assure you that sake is much easier to clean off a keyboard than MUR-lott.

Bully Hill (in Western NY) usually makes a very good Merlot. Maybe you can get it in T-O? :shrug: dunno

... I'll look for it (and chances are we do get it here).

Now where did I put my Young's Oatmeal Stout....

they are neither racists nor losers..that distinction falls heavily amongst the conservative party members

As a Jew, it is agonizing to me.

But sometime in the last decade, I started to notice that much of the political stuff I found reality-defying or non-reality making up was coming from MOTs.

Was it September 11th? Was it in response to an increase in suicide bombs?

One of the most amazing things to me is seeing the Jewish Orthodoxy and Jews for Jesus dining at the same diseased political trough.

There is an illness in our body politic and it is deeply unsettling to me.

I've spoken to my Jewish colleagues and friends who simply cannot understand why this coalition between some Orthodox Jews and "Jesus Freaks" have taken place. They must know that the fundies are only friends of the Jews because they want to bring about Armageddon. The Jews are destroyed in the end because they don't convert to Christians. It's baffling that such an alliance has taken place; it's like embracing one's oppressor.

They realize the fundy whackjobs are full of shit, but they help them in the cause of extreme Zionism.

it's the same sort of illness that takes place when there is inbreeding. There is a similar turning away with both groups from the mainstream world that seems to allow both a willful dismissal of reason and actual fact and a stuffy, airless chamber of the same bad ideas and dreck repeated again and again and again to the point where it is believed as gospel.

I know what you're saying about the armageddon part of the alliance and on that count, I'd need to ask some of the people I know who fit the description. It's almost like exclusion of the mainstream is viewed as more important than drawing any conclusions on the fundies hopes for conclusion. I have a few friends/acquaintances who I can direct this to. One of my best friends unfortunately fits this description. We are talking a seriously eductated, intelligent guy who is not engaged enough in the *real* politics that he ends up buying a lot of the circulated email crap until I dispel it for him. In his case, it's a lot just about Israel. Which is very important to me, as well, but I have much different views on the situation in Israel than he/they does/do, and refuse to be lied to and misled on the topic.

such as:

Obama was selling drugs
Chuck and Jive
He went to a Madrases
Emails were sent out by a Clinton staffer suggesting Obama was a Muslim
(There were others)

Their goal was to turn Obama into the "Black Candidate" hoping whites would turn against him and see him like Jesse Jackson. It backfired for the Clinton's causing only a few whites to defect and for blacks to turn against Clinton.

I don't think the Clintons are RACIST in the sense of being cross-burning klansmen.


I DO think there is a certain point where they took a certain amount of power for granted and then were SHOCKED when, lo and behold, there was another candidate in the race (as candidates do, that's their job, to pop up and fight) and he happened to be...

I don't think they have a problem with his RACE per se.


I think they have a problem with his failure to LOSE gracefully, as he "should have" done eventually, after a lot of beautiful soul music, er, I mean, elevating speeches.

McCamy has written about it better than I could...

As a "historian" of the manipulation of elections and political parties, she would be in the mainstream, and oddly enough she seems to be the only one here so concerned with "knowing the enemy".

There is some self-referenced rubbish, that I do complain about or ignore, but usually on other topics.

dynamics of the democratic party for the future, and it won't be a change for the better.

It's bad for those uppity black people to be voting for a perfectly viable black candidate over a white candidate?

The nerve!

a Democrat would say something like that. The Clinton campaign really is exposing all the racist skeletons left in the party.

- I wonder what "votesforwomen" thinks about women voting for a female candidate because of their gender?

Clearly, I haven't seen Obama running around baiting voters based on Hillary's gender.

The same certainly can't be said for the Clinton's with regards to race

the question that was asked. But we did get some immature name calling!! Yippee! That's always as good a bet as no answer at all.

It is all about her and the woman's movement, not about Progressive politics.

Anybody who has tried to organize Progressive activists recognizes her type of myopic policy stances.

i'm sure you'd say 'well, o is the best candidate, that's why they're voting for him.' would you really have us believe that AAs are the only group that can so clearly discern who the 'best candidate' is, and therefore are voting as a block, like no other group? of course that's not the case; they are voting based on race, and i'm not saying that i don't understand it, but what i'm saying is that from now on all white candidates will have to adjust their campaign message if they are running against a black candidate because they know they're not getting AA vote no matter what. do you think that will be good for the dem party? would it be good if all women would only vote for a female candidate? do you think male candidates might change their message and issues if they know they can write off the female vote from the get go? it's called reality.

Would it be more acceptable if Obama was only getting 60% of the black vote? 70%?

I'm sure black people appreciate you telling them how to vote. And god forbid white candidates actually pay attention to the needs of black Americans.

What is an acceptable percentage for you? And if black people voted simply on race then I think Carol Moseley Braun and Al Sharpton would have done a little better in 2004?

Maybe they just think Obama is the better candidate and are pissed off at Hillary's race baiting.

I'll repeat, what in acceptable percentage for you? Would it be ok with you if Obama was only getting 60% of the black vote? Give me a number please.

and hanged in the Stupid Smithsonian. It's one for the ages.

If Obama isn't the nominee.

It's clearly pathetic how low some people will sink this election cycle just to score cheap shots at people who support Obama over their "pre-ordained" candidate.

The nerve of us today.

why they're voting 90% for him? of course they're voting based on race. if this becomes the rule, then white dems can forget about the black vote if there is a viable black running. i know you guys don't like to hear the truth, but blacks voting as a block based on race is BAD FOR THE DEM PARTY. it says that dem voters don't want the best candidate, they want a person of a certain race, and that is divisive.

:puke:

many different and good reasons.

What about Demoratic primary voters who are Asian-Americans of Buddhist lineage but who supported Biden or Richardson in the primaries?

It's not productice, IMO, to imagine that those voters selected Biden because he's white, if he's also non-Buddhist and non-Asian. It would be akin to a blind person voting for David Paterson because Paterson is also blind.

Makes no sense.

a non-black candidate do to get those votes.

The wheels came off with the South Carolina comments by her husband and the Geraldine Ferraro nonsense.

The Kennedys have always enjoyed vigorous and earned support among AA voters. And have not lost that support.

Hillary Clinton lost that support.

.

Let me try to understand what passes for your thinking, the black vote is perfectly fine as long as we vote for your candidate; if we decide we like someone else better then there's a problem.

Is that what you're saying? Because that's what I'm hearing. If that's the case I have a suggestion about exactly where you can put that sentiment.

What nerve we black people must have to think that we can vote for someone in the primaries and have our votes respected. I suggest you start getting used to it because if HRC is shoved onto the top of the ticket or if she sabotages Obama's chances to win the Democratic party is through for at least a generation.

People like you are the reason black Republicans say that black Democrats need to think about not voting Democratic so often in the first place. Frankly, after this primary season I wouldn't be surprised if there are a lot of black people thinking reconsidering that generally ignored advice.

Regards

The fact that some women and some racist feel the need to vote for a less qualified woman/white person when a more qualified candidate is running is a sad commentary on the other hand.

regardless of who wins, people need to put away their feelings of loss and work together to ensure a Democratic victory.

You must be so proud of yourself.

p.s. Obama won in states that are massively white.

It's been clear for a very long time your posts are intended to disparage Obama and flame his supporters.

How could anyone argue with that?

because it was stated so confidently.

Sorry Ben, but I have to stop reading you as long as you continue to howl at the moon.

sad.

(Jackson/Sharpton) candidate who might receive overwhelming support from African Americans, but would not be supported by the more numerous white voters.

Up until now, I’ve been polite. If you say anything else—word one—I will kill myself. And when my tainted spirit finds its destination, I will topple the master of that dark place. From my black throne, I will lash together a machine of bone and blood, and fueled by my hatred for you this fear engine will bore a hole between this world and that one.

When it begins, you will hear the sound of children screaming—as though from a great distance. A smoking orb of nothing will grow above your bed, and from it will emerge a thousand starving crows. As I slip through the widening maw in my new form, you will catch only a glimpse of my radiance before you are incinerated. Then, as tears of bubbling pitch stream down my face, my dark work will begin.

I will open one of my six mouths, and I will sing the song that ends the Earth.

--Tycho

(ps: lol )

i totally enjoyed that! i want more. i could picture the orb and crows screeching out of it.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/04/10/

It's from a webcomic. Some guy claimed that Warhammer was a rip off of World of Warcraft, and epic nerd rage followed.

You can buy a hoodie with that whole quote on it from the store. :D

i will have fun there on my day off.

Senator Clinton's immense popularity could be challenged by someone immensely popular, as Obama has become since the campaign began. Imagining that only charges of racism could have dethroned her is neither logical nor palatable.

If you want to start an argument, you'll have to do your part.

They certainly played the sexism card, over and over and over again. And vocally. That is just as bad.

But they won't hear it. So, what's the use?

we can't continue to allow them to LIE! What a disgrace!

you don't even answer anybody in the thread.

but I will admit her last name has sure done a great service to her. If we were watching a race between Obama and Hillary Smith, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. It's funny how so many are willing to make excuses for Hillary's failures and none of it is ever her fault. She's ran the perfect campaign huh, and is only losing because of the mean black people? :(

First of all, they had plenty of reason to do so, and if it had worked without anyone making a fuss about it, well, we would be talking about President Hillary. They were trying to marginalize him, and not just with the "too black" label but with "empty suit," "elitist," "effette," and "inexperienced." They have tried to diminish the man who is plenty qualified, just as much as anyone else, maybe not more, but certainly NO LESS! He has more elected time in office than Hillary, and John Edwards, and yet people still try to label him as inexperienced.

Here's a clue why he's winning:

People are sick and tired of being cynical about this country. It feels good to support someone for POSITIVE reasons, it feels good to be inspired no matter how much your bitter cynicism mocks it, it's still there.

He is winning because people like the way he thinks. He doesn't pretend to know everything, in fact he welcomes challenging opinions and ideas and that is the mark of a true leader. Realizing that you don't possess all the knowledge in the world, and that situations and problems often have more than one answer.

He is winning because when he smiles at people, it is genuine, not forced or practiced.

He is winning because he knew all along this war was a fraud and has said as much all along.

He is winning in spite of all the lies, distortions, and dirty character smears, NOT because of them no matter what you think. Many of us saw the tactics for what they were, long before the media "told people what to think." I know this is frustrating to Hillary and Bill, I mean, it should've worked! It works for the Republicans. The problem is their tactics are being rejected because we don't do this to our own. We are NOT Republicans. WE have lines we don't cross with each other, or used to. That's why you didn't see any of this garbage out of Biden, Dodd, Kucinich, or Edwards. It was THEIR decision to use these tactics against Obama, and theirs alone. Her miscalculation to run this as a GE style campaign is only one of the many things that cost her this nomination. She should've saved it for the Republicans. I've even seen people saying she should've gone negative on him sooner. Maybe she should've, then this would already be over.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQV4K1eFjI&watch_response RACE BAITING BEGAN WITH OBAMA! - TYT

"THE RACE THINGS OUT THERE ALL OF SUDDEN, IT WASN'T OUT THERE BEFORE"- TYT


what more evidence do you need? And the 4 page doc's that Russert question Bo on...were simply~~~~ Swept under the rug! How can you be so blind? After this...

Bill Clinton served as the 42nd President of the United States of America. Before becoming president he served 5 terms as the governor of Arkansas. Clinton

was a member of the Democratic Party and was a very popular president, with advances in the areas of education, jobs, and the environment domestically

while encouraging peace talks internationally with the Northern Island and Palestinian conflicts.
Both his grandfather and grandmother (Edith Grisham Cassidy) were against the unfair segregation laws and the rampant racism that was an accepted part of

life at the time. Bill Clinton saw the respect that his grandparents gave to African Americans as a normal way to treat all people, even though it was a very

unusual way of thinking. Clinton was one of the few white boys of his small town that would play with black children. These early experiences must have

played a part in his later thinking, where he was called the first black American president (because of his empathy towards all people, regardless of skin

color).


Photographs: Clinton Visits People With AIDS in Africa
Since he left office, Bill Clinton has made a lasting mark in a cause that he came to only late in his presidency.



This is just little something for some of those idiots out there who think Bill Clinton’s sex scandal was more important then any other of his achievements. It’s

really funny what you get when you compare Clinton’s list with the list (mostly failures) of our president today. Seriously people. Grow up!!!




Clinton presided over the longest period of peace-time economic expansion in American history, which included a balanced budget and a reported federal

surplus.
Clinton left office with a 65% approval rating, the highest end-of-presidency rating of any President that came into office after World War II.
In August 1993, Clinton signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, which passed Congress without a single Republican vote. It cut taxes for 15

million low-income families, made tax cuts available to 90% of small businesses,<37> and raised taxes on the wealthiest 1.2% of taxpayers<38>. Additionally,

it mandated that the budget be balanced over a number of years, through the implementation of spending restraints.
In 1994, Clinton sent U.S. forces to Haiti as part of the negotiated restoration of Jean-Bertrand Aristide’s presidency. He also withdrew U.S. forces from

Somalia (1994), where while helping to avert famine they had suffered casualties in a futile effort to capture a Somali warlord. Clinton promoted peace

negotiations in the Middle East, which bore fruit in important agreements, and in the former Yugoslavia, which led to a peace agreement in late 1995. He also

restored U.S. diplomatic relations with Vietnam in 1995.
Clinton succeeded in brokering peace negotiations in Northern Ireland between warring Catholics and Protestants
In 1997, Clinton and the Republicans agreed on a deal that combined tax cuts and reductions in spending to produce the first balanced federal budget in three

decades.
During the eight years of the presidency, the economy expanded by 50% in real terms, and by the end of his tenure the US had a gross national product of

$10,000bn - one quarter of the entire world economic output.
The booming US economy has brought economic benefits right across the income spectrum.
The unemployment rate has dropped by half, to 4%, a 40-year-low, while the economy has created some 15 million jobs.
In December 1999, Clinton was among 18 included in Gallup’s List of Widely Admired People of the 20th century, from a poll conducted of the American

people.



From August 1986 to August 1987, Governor Clinton served as chairman of the National Governors' Association. During that time, he led the governors' efforts

to reform the welfare system and the educational systems of the states.

By the fall of 1991, Governor Clinton believed that the country needed someone with a new vision and plan, and he decided to run for President. He also felt

that he had the experience and the best ideas for changing our country for the better. He wanted to strengthen the health care system, to improve the school

system, and, most of all, to bolster the economy and create new jobs. He brought his message to the country by going door to door, holding one-on-one talks

with people in town hall meetings, and appearing on various talk shows.

After a long primary process, Governor Clinton was nominated as the Democratic presidential candidate. He chose Senator Al Gore, of Tennessee to be his

vice-presidential running mate. Together, Bill Clinton and Al Gore set out by bus to meet the people of America and to hear about their concerns and their

hopes for the future. They campaigned on the concept of "putting people first'---preserving the American Dream, restoring the hopes of the middle class, and

reclaiming the future for the nation's children.

Throughout his life, President Clinton has worked to make a difference in the lives of others. To him, Hope means more than a small town in Arkansas; it

means working to ensure that each American has the opportunity to fulfill his or her dream.





Barack Obama:

* State State Senate (8 years)

* US Senator - Illinois (18 months before announcing his run for POTUS).

coherent! You go off on your own lil tangent...that have ZERO relativity...YOUR GUY Intentionally STARTED A RACE ATTACK against the Clintons! More than DESPICABLE! Shame on anyone who supports THAT!

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is this your first election cycle?

the same for all , including filling out forms..etc....ZERO! aren't we all? wink.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEQV4K1eFjI&watch_response RACE BAITING BEGAN WITH OBAMA! - TYT

"THE RACE THINGS OUT THERE ALL OF SUDDEN, IT WASN'T OUT THERE BEFORE"- TYT


what more evidence do you need? And the 4 page doc's that Russert question Bo on...were simply~~~~ Swept under the rug! How can you be so blind? After this...

Bill Clinton served as the 42nd President of the United States of America. Before becoming president he served 5 terms as the governor of Arkansas. Clinton

was a member of the Democratic Party and was a very popular president, with advances in the areas of education, jobs, and the environment domestically

while encouraging peace talks internationally with the Northern Island and Palestinian conflicts.
Both his grandfather and grandmother (Edith Grisham Cassidy) were against the unfair segregation laws and the rampant racism that was an accepted part of

life at the time. Bill Clinton saw the respect that his grandparents gave to African Americans as a normal way to treat all people, even though it was a very

unusual way of thinking. Clinton was one of the few white boys of his small town that would play with black children. These early experiences must have

played a part in his later thinking, where he was called the first black American president (because of his empathy towards all people, regardless of skin

color).


Photographs: Clinton Visits People With AIDS in Africa
Since he left office, Bill Clinton has made a lasting mark in a cause that he came to only late in his presidency.



This is just little something for some of those idiots out there who think Bill Clinton’s sex scandal was more important then any other of his achievements. It’s

really funny what you get when you compare Clinton’s list with the list (mostly failures) of our president today. Seriously people. Grow up!!!




Clinton presided over the longest period of peace-time economic expansion in American history, which included a balanced budget and a reported federal

surplus.
Clinton left office with a 65% approval rating, the highest end-of-presidency rating of any President that came into office after World War II.
In August 1993, Clinton signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, which passed Congress without a single Republican vote. It cut taxes for 15

million low-income families, made tax cuts available to 90% of small businesses,<37> and raised taxes on the wealthiest 1.2% of taxpayers<38>. Additionally,

it mandated that the budget be balanced over a number of years, through the implementation of spending restraints.
In 1994, Clinton sent U.S. forces to Haiti as part of the negotiated restoration of Jean-Bertrand Aristide’s presidency. He also withdrew U.S. forces from

Somalia (1994), where while helping to avert famine they had suffered casualties in a futile effort to capture a Somali warlord. Clinton promoted peace

negotiations in the Middle East, which bore fruit in important agreements, and in the former Yugoslavia, which led to a peace agreement in late 1995. He also

restored U.S. diplomatic relations with Vietnam in 1995.
Clinton succeeded in brokering peace negotiations in Northern Ireland between warring Catholics and Protestants
In 1997, Clinton and the Republicans agreed on a deal that combined tax cuts and reductions in spending to produce the first balanced federal budget in three

decades.
During the eight years of the presidency, the economy expanded by 50% in real terms, and by the end of his tenure the US had a gross national product of

$10,000bn - one quarter of the entire world economic output.
The booming US economy has brought economic benefits right across the income spectrum.
The unemployment rate has dropped by half, to 4%, a 40-year-low, while the economy has created some 15 million jobs.
In December 1999, Clinton was among 18 included in Gallup’s List of Widely Admired People of the 20th century, from a poll conducted of the American

people.



From August 1986 to August 1987, Governor Clinton served as chairman of the National Governors' Association. During that time, he led the governors' efforts

to reform the welfare system and the educational systems of the states.

By the fall of 1991, Governor Clinton believed that the country needed someone with a new vision and plan, and he decided to run for President. He also felt

that he had the experience and the best ideas for changing our country for the better. He wanted to strengthen the health care system, to improve the school

system, and, most of all, to bolster the economy and create new jobs. He brought his message to the country by going door to door, holding one-on-one talks

with people in town hall meetings, and appearing on various talk shows.

After a long primary process, Governor Clinton was nominated as the Democratic presidential candidate. He chose Senator Al Gore, of Tennessee to be his

vice-presidential running mate. Together, Bill Clinton and Al Gore set out by bus to meet the people of America and to hear about their concerns and their

hopes for the future. They campaigned on the concept of "putting people first'---preserving the American Dream, restoring the hopes of the middle class, and

reclaiming the future for the nation's children.

Throughout his life, President Clinton has worked to make a difference in the lives of others. To him, Hope means more than a small town in Arkansas; it

means working to ensure that each American has the opportunity to fulfill his or her dream.





Barack Obama:

* State State Senate (8 years)

* US Senator - Illinois (18 months before announcing his run for POTUS).

If Bill Clinton could run, he would have won by now.

The simple truth is that Hill is not Bill.

Her attempt to run on his record never quite worked.

The Clinton's are NOT racist and have been very supportive of AA's. Most AA's would agree with that statement. This one sure would.

And we're real grateful for the fact that they don't hate black people and all.

But there's a price to be paid for ACTING like a racist. For saying racist shit. For winking and nodding at racist shit.

And the price that the Clinton's paid is that *all* American's took a closer look at Obama. And they liked what they saw.

So eight years in the White House for the Clinton family is just going to have to be enough gratitude.

"But there's a price to be paid for ACTING like a racist. For saying racist shit. For winking and nodding at racist shit. And the price that the Clinton's paid is that *all* American's took a closer look at Obama. And they liked what they saw."

Cite to one quote where Bill or Hillary were "saying racist shit".

Cite to one quote where Bill or Hillary were "winking and nodding at racist shit".

You can't.

Because you, sir, are spreading filthy lies.

So I don't believe you're AA either. You're probably a Repuke in disguise just here to stir up shit.

Long ago I learned that disruptors, agitators, and plants just loooovvve to send people out to do research on things that they already know the answer to.

Or should know.

So, allow me to cite a great post here on DU from ProSense: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4535705&mesg_id=4535705

I believe you'll find the answers that you are looking for.

You'll find saying and winking and nodding.

Enjoy.

Atufal

P.S. If you're a real Clinton supporter, congratulations on your loss. If you're a Republican plant, I look forward to your loss in the future.

disruptors, agitators, and plants... your'e the newbie plant!

I'm going to post a bunch of little one-liners with smilies, like you. Heck, I'll be at 1,000 posts in no time! :bounce:

...and I have been here a lot longer than you, "newbie".

Citing to a du post put up there by someone I have on "ignore" is not citing to any valid authority.

Print the direct quotes with cites to real news sources that you claim show that Bill and Hillary have made racist remarks or condoned them.

You won't be able to do it. Because you're lying your ass off. And citing to another poster who got put on my ignore list because he was lying his ass off is a complete evasion, Mr. 105 posts. I've challenged liars like you to this test many times and NOT ONE of the posters spreading such lies has been able to cite to anything valid to turn their lies into truths.

Don't fall into that dumb Obamanoid trap of assuming I'm a Clinton supporter simply because I can spot bullshit like yours a mile away.

I'm a longtime Democrat who is becoming more and more of an Independent because I'm exceedingly disappointed in the Democratic Party by now and utterly disgusted with the MSM that manipulated this race into what it has become.

You can just do that now and save me the trouble of having to repeat ProSense's work. There are plenty of links to credible sources in that post. You should really take a look at it.

I know I'm just a newbie here, but I'm just agreeing with what dozens of other posters here, many with 1000's of posts, are saying.

Not that such agreement is necessary, but for what it's worth.

What else ya got?

I've never seen such a steaming pile of lame excuses for your fatuous dishonesty in my life.

You made the false claims about the Clintons. It is your burden to substantiate them when called on it. You failed to. You proved you're nothing but a windbag full of hot air spreading filthy lies on this board.

Bill's South Carolina reference and Hillary's talk of "hard working white Americans" were but two blatant examples of wink-and-nod-to-racists politics. Google is your friend - and the next time someone yanks your rancid chain you ought to employ it before posting, pal.

His idiocy has nothing to do with his faith.

They are just such nice sweet people who never say anything offensive to black people ever.

How can their efforts be so misconstrued.

Poor Poor Hillary.

It must be because she is a girl.

When you consider that blacks represent no more than about 20% of the Democratic vote and that Clinton was popular in the similarly sized Latino community it sort of balances out. Also, Clinton cleverly played the gender card when she had to and thus managed to keep the race competitive. And give Obama credit for putting together coalitions to win caucus votes in predominantly white states. Kudos to Obama for figuring out a winning strategy against the entrenched Democratic establishment. Kudos to Dean for creating a primary system that brings in new blood and energy.

I'll also add that I'm sort of embarrassed that the OP displays the Jewish star and then attributes Obama's success to blacks. I suppose Schumer only won his Senate seat because of New York Jews, not because he was a really good candidate?

junkies voted en masse for Senator Obama.

IMO Obama's support is significantly diverse. If an Afro American candidate has appeal to Afro American voters then is it not also true that Caucasian candidates have appeal to Caucasian voters, which would suggest that Obama's numbers in South Carolina and Clinton's in West Virginia were not natural alignments and not the result of race-carding?

And more to the point, mostly white Oregon went for Obama, so it appears that voters, who are "informed voters" by degree against Madison's & Jefferson's model of informed citizenry, vote for any number of multiple and various reasons for a candidate.

They take the process seriously, in other words, and the process is not one-dimensional.

No.

This has been another edition of Short Answers to Simple Questions.

History will record the truth, Ben David.

:shrug:

we all know Obama wouldn't be "where he is if he wasn't black".

look up those quotes your damn self. there are many others.

why argue?

The good news is that very few people on earth share in your type of thinking.

I suppose her filthy WV campaign was Obama's idea as well? You are just like her.:puke:

I don't think many Obama voters think the Clintons were racist, and I don't really see much of an effort if any to create that impression. (by the Obama campaign).

Many AA supporters don't think the Clinton's are racist. The problem is that we now know that they (and some of their surrogates) find no problem in using race as a political weapon, and they are not ashamed of it.

Rendell -- White people in Pennsylvania will never vote for a black man.

The Farrakhan knee-capping in the Pennsylvania debate when there is a video on youtube of Rendell praising Farrakhan.

The Muslim e-mail smear. Shaheen. The "shuck and jive" comments.

The "working, hard working, white Americans" comments -- furthur insinuating that, I don't know, black voters are lazy, non-working, Black Americans.

These are just a few examples.

Thanks for defending that statement. It tells us all quite a bit about you.

The Clintons had to become racists as long as the mutual love and respect between blacks and the Clintons continued.

This is the stupidest post I have read here in 6 months.
This post deserves to be pinned to the top of the forum for it's high level of stupidosity.

you or Monkey Funk, but it is one HELL of a competition, let me tell you.

:rofl:

Burden of proof is on the person making the claim.

that just speaks volumes to his political talent, if he can turn something that up to now had been a crippling liability in the presidential arena into an actual PLUS.



why couldn't hillary turn being female into a political advantage?

so to hell with ya, hit and run poster. You're not worth any effort.

you think you can disrupt any thread with BS and never come back to back it up. Or start new ones like this, then run for the hills.

worthless.

Welcome to the club of Democrat haters!

David

As were the "college educated white liberals"?

As opposed to the what? The undereducated, white working class, blue-collar, folks who "work hard and play by the rules"? The ones that the Clintons like to trumpet as the "real" people, the "real" Democrats?

The Clintons played the race card with "respectable racism" that only infers that blacks are not hard working and don't play by the rules. And, of course easily bamboozled by the "elite" Vast Left Wing Conspiracy.

Her surrogates saying that he was only getting attention and where he was because he was black.


or Bill saying that he only won the south because of blacks. Even if part of that may be true, part of it, thats still race baiting.

Obama's campaign poisioned the great relationship between the Clintons and the black community. The Clintons were the darlings of every African American organization and the black population in general.

:sarcasm:

I didn't know it was bad in any way to be Irish and Catholic in America until JFK ran for office. Suddenly our group integrity, identity and patriotism was on the line whether we wanted it or not. Such will be the unexpected and unplanned for pleasure of Black America except they will not be surprised at all. The burden placed on the ethnic and religious origins of a leader attacked by corporations and power elites is automatic and untiring in intentional divisiveness, bating, scapegoating and any manner of human evil response imaginable. The consolation is the supposed Democratic perks of pride, example, leadership, identity never afforded to any GOP candidate except for corrupting fanatical craziness and lies(their group loses everything outside of power and privilege).

Who started what will never affect the inevitable spotlight of a bloc set apart by their candidate's flaws or merits and the hostile prejudice of corporate interests against the unity of the general public.
The Clintons have exerted a like pressure on ALL opponents, opponent's supporters, blocs, delegates in ways that can hardly be construed to be affirming and positive. Anyone engaged in divisiveness is anathema to democracy. One's followers will always be on the front lines of hate as with one's involuntary identity group. Now that we have noted the fact condemn all who make it go one for the sake of personal advantage and private interests. Definitely the media harbors more ill will than any actual racist. I am less interested in exonerating Dems who fall for the ploy and the system than in stopping the whole ugly charade. It isn't about racism, but power, and a divided people in any of its large parts will not have it.

:cry: :cry: :cry:

Are you implying that black voters are stupid?

Because he agreed to give Ted Kennedy's commencement speech.

You then went on to say that there are many more worthy Democrats, clearly ignoring the fact that Ted Kennedy specifically asked Obama and not those other Democrats that you find "more worthy" to give the speech for him.

You then referred to another poster as "disgusting for supporting Obama".

It's all here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6091275&mesg_id=6091411

So if that poster is "disgusting for supporting Obama" I don't see how you could think any different of Ted Kennedy who is doing everything in his power to make sure that Barack Obama gets elected President.

incapabilities if you can't see that.

If you can't see that Ted Kennedy, who probably has very little time left on this earth, is doing everything in his power to see that Barack Obama is elected President and that is why HE ASKED Obama to give the speech.

Seriously, explain to me how Obama can be a "Vulture standing over a meal" for accepting Kennedy's request but you have no problem with Kennedy for offering it.

Kennedy took that into consideration. He does what he feels is right regardless of consequences. I do respect that, but I'd rather see someone nominated who can win OH. Obama really had no choice if Kennedy asked him, but he still looks like an opportunistic vulture.

And you mean to tell me that he didn't consider whether or not Obama could win before endorsing him? Give me a fucking break...

Mondale too.

And he endorsed Dukakis, Tsongas, and Kerry because they were from Massachusetts and it is customary to endorse candidates from your home state. Other than his brother and Al Gore (who basically had the nomination locked up before it started), Obama is the only non Massachusetts candidate Ted Kennedy has endorsed in a presidential primary.

and then cap it off with a "Shalom." :crazy:

Go Away. Hillaryis44 is where you belong.

then look at what they said via Wright.

Frankly, I could care less who wins vs. McCain v. Clinton. Its the same old politics.

Obama ain't much better, but he has given this leftist some hope.

The Obama supporters wasted this election. Hopefully, the superdelegates will save it. If not, McCain is the next President.

webb or nunn?

What biting satire! To answer your question, no - nobody can argue with THAT! It's pure logical gold. Just perfect! I wonder why nobody caught ANY of it, except Clinton enthusiasts, of course.

...that simply isn't what happened.

We've abandoned DU to the Obama cult.
DU supports Democrats, Duers support Obama.

:eyes:

i'm happy to discuss with him, but only if he sticks around to actually do that.

all on their own when someone is race baiting? Your post, quite frankly, is condescending. It is not up to you to decide how people should react to someone's comments. If some, or even most Blacks were offended enough by the Clintons behavior not vote for her, I guarantee you that it's not because someone had to tell them what the Clintons were doing.

The Clintons played the race card repeatedly and almost from the beginning, and it was patently obvious to anyone paying attention. WJC's "whoa as me, I'm being victimized" just added insult to injury. They never learned when to shut up and she lost because of it.

There is no sense even trying to argue it with someone who not only cannot recognize race baiting when they see it, but who also has no qualms about blaming the victim in excusing it.

give me a break. i'll entertain a discussion with him when he actually deigns to discuss but not until then.

i mean, sheesh, almost 200 posts and none of you realize he is playing you for fools? he's not even here!

let it sink people.

as soon as the Iowa results were known. By the time the "racism" thing came up, the move was over. It only came up because of Bill's frustration with the SC results, a product of the move having happened already.

http://www.bartcop.com/2154.htm

"Even the biggest Obama fans will have to admit that he had NO CHANCE to be president
as long as the mutual love and respect between blacks and the Clintons continued.

The Clintons had to become racists.

Can anybody argue with that?"

amazing isn't it? What was once a clearly democratic year.