"Fighting reinforces the core brand and cements her status as leader of lunch pail carrying Dems"

"Fighting on reinforces the core brand and cements her status as
the leader of lunch pail carrying, hard hat wearing, coffee drinking, pinochle playing working class Democrats."

-- Key Clinton operative and supporter, according to WaPo


Discuss. :shrug:

I'd have sworn they watch football and American Idol.

He was a member of my euchre table, where two of us voted for Obama. I don't know who the 4th picked. I don't think he believed in voting.

How patronizing can you get. Please, PLEASE say that on TV. Better yet, put it in a speech.

:eyes: Such a phony.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

in the field 40 years ago, as a housewife working 2nd, 3rd shift and 3 day workweeks in. Took a severance package from one company when they started outsourcing right after we got thru the 2000 IT changes. Was out of work for 2 years when my resume on careerbuilder.com produced a call for a 8 month contract and ultimately a full time job. Now I work in another company(banking/IT), making 90k a year...and this company has spent the last year bringing in IBM and Infosys contract employees from India.
I'm still doing fine...and so are they.

I suggest people train themselves for the Distributed Application programming....learn several types of scripting languages. Also explore Mainframe computer operations and production control. I'm in the Scheduling field, working with CA products(CA7 and UUJMA and CA-Autosys. Google some of these keywords and see how many jobs are out there IF you get some training.
American IT employees have not been keeping their skills up, about programming for server based applications (windows, unix, linux various database support skills)....and companies are not helping them enough to attend classes/help pay for training.
You better be ready to compete, because these young people coming in from India are sharp.....communication's a bit tough...but we get thru it.

http://www.washtech.org/reports/AmericasHighTechBust/AmericasHighTechBust.pdf

If they're all that good, why do Americans they replace have to train them?

http://www.zazona.com/NewsArchive/2006-06-10%20BofA%20Train%20your%20replacement%20or%20else.htm

When you fake something - the mirage only lasts so long. Senator Clinton is many things, even many positive things (though I know a lot of people are having trouble seeing that right now). But what she isn't is working class. Hillary "Screw 'em, Bill" Clinton, will unfortunately be seen in the long term for exactly what she is - the ultimate politician. The fact that somehow she has begun trying to paint herself as not only a champion of the working class, but one who is somehow embedded in the working class with working class roots and a current working class identification is the ultimate in irony.

Fakes this huge don't last. They never do. The majority of this "working class" Clinton personae is manufactured in the media, and nothing that fake has staying power.

Don't get me wrong, there are a lot of good politicians doing good work who aren't somehow "OF" the working class. It's Clinton's pretending to be something that she isn't that ultimately will not stick.

...she plays Dolly Parton's "9 to 5" after her victory rallies!

Surely that convinces everyone that she's just a normal country gal who knows what it's like to slave as an overworked, underpaid secretary for an evil boss who doesn't want her to get ahead. Surely????

But trying to be something that you are so clearly not only works for the early media hype. After that, people start to feel like she thinks they are fucking stupid, and recoil from it.

You can care about the needs of the working class without PRETENDING to be working class. It is insulting to pretend like "oh yeah, I really know what you're going through." But people can sympathize and work with people without being "just like" them. It happens all the time.

I'm not a woman. I will never know what its like to be a woman, and it would be INSANE for me to try to pretend that I DO know what its like or AM a woman just to win votes. However, I could most certainly be a fierce, loyal, passionate devoted champion of women's rights and gender equality WITHOUT being fake.

But first I would have to actually CARE about those things, not just want someone's vote. :)

Based on her past statements and votes, Hillary Clinton is about as pro-working class and pro-labor as I am pro-war.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/HughBeaumont/32

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5313426

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/GC01Df03.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/538674.cms
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/593175.cms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhLBSLLIhUs
Hillary pushes for more h1-b visas and outsourcing

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLNOSGM2jK4
Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 1)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgdrh2Bc95M
Hillary Clinton's hypocrisy (part 2)

The host didn't make these statements. Hillary did. This "champion of the working people" is a total load of horseshit. More like "Champion of the leftover Reagan Democrats" (wink wink, nudge nudge).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5648636#5648636

we're all numbers to these fuckers

We will all know more in hindsight. When the spotlight of a Presidential campaign is no longer on Hillary Clinton, to carry forward that brand she will need to back up the more populist message she has gravitated to recently over the long haul with continuing real hard work. If in fact she has rounded a key corner in her career, if she is stepping out from behind Bill's shadow, if she has really found her voice now and uses it moving forward to defend the interests of average working Americans (of all races) and to rally them behind progressive solutions to America's problems, then her "show of toughness" now will have been worth the angst it caused among those who are eager to move on to backing Obama against McCain. Assuming we have peace within our Party by early June that is.