Democratic Debate on CSPAN Now!

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http://www.cspan.org/watch/index.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS&ShowVidDays=30&ShowVidDesc=

about terrorism, but my stream is *really* bad!

He speaks extremely well.

"What I think is this war isn't about safety."

"I think that fear is power, and we've lost focus on real objectives."

I love her. :)

"Misadventure in Iraq"....to say the least!

She's one of three Democratic candidates who have the potential and the vision to win the Nobel Peace Prize someday.

He is making *his* priorities about security clear.

"Bush has misled this nation about war."

At last, he's being honest.

"Proactive foreign policy. . . that reaches out to other countries."

'The war on terror is less a military operation and more an intelligence and law enforcement operation."

Where was this Kerry six months ago? I wish he'd taken this tack earlier.

His delivery is *much* better than when he began. Substantive, too.

(no tv here and streaming connection sucks on my computer)

"Stay the course in Iraq."

"This will teach Libya and Iraq a lesson and now they're co-operating."

"Isn't it true you hate Bush more than you hate America's enemies?"

wtf???

I can't see it yet, but are you sure they said that?

That's a stupid question. "Isn't it true..." is never a fair way to pose a question.

I didn't quote exactly, but it was such an underhanded shitty question even I'm offended.

Still sounds loaded and antagonistic.

"Some in Iowa think it seems like you hate Bush more than America's enemies."

Dean's derisive snort and focus on a positive vision was perfect.

"...Governor Dean, there are some people in Iowa that believe that you hate Bush more than America's enemies. How do you respond to them?"

Who are these "some people" in Iowa saying that? Republicans?

I can't even hear a word that Lieberman says anymore. I just get distracted by how much I dislike the guy. My mind is officially shut.

Kept it positive, talked about winning by addition, not subtraction.

"Why are you more angry at Bush than America's enemies"? :wtf:

Good parlay, Howard. Chuckled, laughed it off and talked about people power. Go Howard! :)

"The only way to beat George Bush is to have a campaign based on addition, not subtraction. We have to bring new people into the Democratic Party."

Amen, brother!

I have no problem with that question because he makes anger too central, too obvious but he answered so calmly that he came across not angry. Good job.

Good answer on the terrorism too

Edwards is kicking ass too!

Good question- in I/P would you negotiate with Hamas.

Sorry Edwards- you're touting the party line. Hamas and the IDF are equal terrorists- one is not causing less terror than the other. Arafat is the Palestinian leader whether we like it or not.


Excellent questions they're asking.

Edwards- good points about how we need to be engaged though and how he would do it vs the photo ops engagements we've had lately.

He'll get an A on that from most people so overall good answer I guess

Not inspiring, almost like he's going through the motions.

. . . but that's not a change.

So Presidential. Can't you imagine him among other world leaders?

WOW!!

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That was an odd response. I was very impressed with his first two answers and the way he said Saddam Hussein wasn't a threat. However, he said that had we taken his advice we would have gone after, maybe caught Osama, then got a coalition and removed Saddam Hussein. I don't buy that. It's not even been a yr. That strikes me as a political answer by implying that, yes, Saddam would be out of power.

What Dean should have said was, yes, Saddam Hussein may well have still been in power, but we would have effectively contained him and proven that he was not a threat. We would have known what the status of his WMD programs were, and we'd be monitering him, so that if it emerged that he was engaging in genocide or reviving his WMD programs we would attack later -- just not right now. That would have been the most sensible answer

we can cut Pentagon budget 15%.

As the ranking Democrat on the Government Oversight Subcommittee that specifically has jurisdiction over the Department of Defense (and the Central Intelligence Agency) knows intimately of the waste that takes place there with the development of new nuclear weapons and known fraud with the development of the missile shield program so if we eliminate the fraud, no problem cutting 15%


Good points for mentioning we need to get out of Iraq now, that it's already cost us over $155 Billion spent in 9 months and that he's the
only candidate calling for US out of Iraq- detailed plan on his web-site .

His plan will have the troops home in 90 days saving a lot of money and troop lives

He kept the focus on how much Iraq was costing us too.

He's doing a good job parlaying these hostile questions.

Dean slams Lieberman! "Senator Lieberman said we're safer. But since Saddam has been caught we've lost 20 troops, and we have for the first time FIGHTER JETS escorting commercial airliners. We should have been going after Osama bin Laden."

And saying we're safer with him out of power. :eyes:

I mean the guy was living underground in fear for his life.

Somosa and The Shah ?

We supported tham ALL.

Only now do the hypocritcal war mongerers pretend to care about 'human rights'

Again and again, the media favors Dean!

The media is slamming Dean with hostile questions and throwing softballs to everyone else.

even if it is to attack, to distract the public with the "dem rivals drama" and drama about Dean so that Dean has to address this shit and everyone else's message doesn't get out. They all lose this way.

I think they're just trying to get clarifications from various candidates.

negative question and are asking the others policy questions or questions about Dean, then it does seem "someone" wants to control what is memorable about the debates. I think the "take-home" points they want are:
It's everyone against Dean
Dean hates Bush, or his supporters do
They all hate each other
there are too many of them


and debates are set up accordingly.

they're attacking dean already! with those inflammatory questions... they're trying already to get him on the defense...


edwards got a follow-up question, too... guess that means he's being pampered by the media too, huh? :eyes:

what a **** observation....

Scumbag

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He loses.

:evilgrin:

:)

I wish he'd just shut the f*ck up!

He is doing very well! I am impressed.

"Unlike Bush I who said 'no new taxes,' Bush II is saying 'no new jobs!'" :D

IMHO. Is anyone keeping track of the time.

Excellent, good job!

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oustanding so far!

CNN really needs to have its primadonas go work for minimum pay
from time to time to remember that if you make over 200,000 you are not upper class but you are well on your way to go rich.

What a shock! :wow:

Oh, and Lieberman is standing up for GATT and "free trade."

steel worker making $40,000/yr has the same tax burden as someone making $400,000/yr at the same time that we're cutting funds for social programs (vets programs, education, etc) making it even worse for normal people.

A+



Need to cancel Bush tax cuts

need to recognize how this war in Iraq has destroyed our budget and as long as we remain there this serious drain on our nation's budget will continue

A+

Every cent I have donated has been repaid by his getting out the real issues in the debates. It's so great to have a progressive voice in there!

"I believe that NAFTA and the WTO only globalized the rights of corporations, not workers. . . " "That needs to happen!"

"We need a level playing field."

Consistent regulations around the world will not "disadvantage exports."

"The money should go to farmers, not big corporations."

It seems like he is working really hard with his delivery, like he is nervous or something. Usually is he not like this.

don't distort the record of votes.

Dean went after Lieberman, Gephardt is going after Edwards.

Interesting strategy.

Edwards is doing great, but I hope he doesn't get too defensive ... good job of distinguishing himself.

At least the candidates are on the defensive about their corporate whoring! Go Edwards!

gave points to Kucinich too. Says he and DK are only ones who voted against NAFTA.

Gephardt and Kucinich really do deserve Labor's support.

First time I've had anything good to say re Gephardt in a long time.

Ouch Edwards zinging Gephardt for voting for Fast Track and pointing out that NAFTA vote was before his watch.

Edwards did a damn good job defending himself

Gephardt, yes NAFTA was before your watch but Edwards you voted for the China Agreement and that had a bad impact on your own state.... 60,000 jobs lost because of that- biggest textile mfr closed over that.

The DLC will not be happy with him.

EDWARDS SLAMMING GEPHARDT! :wow:

"Congressman Gephardt unfairly lumping me in with everyone else."

WOW

Gep: "Congressman, you weren't in Congress for the NAFTA vote."

Edwards: "But you said I voted for it!"

Gep: "I understand that."

Edwards: "You understand that?!?!"

*Crowd laughter*

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Will you cancel NAFTA??? Go DK!

What with the anti-protectionism bash?

Good job Dean, nice answer.

especially Kucinich. Implying that if Nafta repealed, this would be protectionism...But DK said we should go to bi-lateral trade agreements...
Would be great if we could have bilateral trade agreement with CHINA. oH, WHAT A VISION.

"For many years, Dick Gephardt has stood up and said 'I am for free trade.'" Hahahahaha!

So much for the "beat up on Dean" fear. :)

3 million manufacturing jobs lost in this country

Cancel NAFTA and WTO. says he heard Dean talk about NAFTA in an earlier answer but Dean "will you pull out of NAFTA and the WTO"?

I didn't like Dean's earlier answer when he talked about NAFTA/WTO... that what we needed to add to it was the globalized right to protest and etc stuff that I don't think would fix the problem. Hope someone captured Dean's earlier response

"Isn't this an issue of balance?"

"We need to balance protectionism with free trade."

Before going back to slamming other Democrats

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"Nobody on this stage is for protectionism."

Gep slams Dean, weakly afterwards.

Don't always like the depth of the answer (yes I'm HARSH lol) but they are good answers today- good centered answers.

He mentioned a key issue - the FTAs protect corporations and profits, but have no protections for people (thanks to people like Dean).

Good answer.

:kick:

:)

:thumbsup:

than saying what he would do. they had to ask him the question a second time. I think that's something he needs to watch from this point forward now that he's a solid contender otherwise he'll come across more as the Bush-basher than the guy who can fix things. Hope that makes sense. I thought his other answers were much better because he really answered the question. They're all doing good today. Well, not Lieberman, poor thing- he's made a few valid points but is too irritating.

the was a net INCREASE on middle-class taxpayers. The only 'cut' was $304 in federal taxes-- state and local taxes went up.

when federal taxes are raised to prior levels. This will result in even larger taxes on the middle class, IMO.

what tax relief are you proposing for working-class and middle-class families...

talks about all Bush did to destroy but please move on to real answer
please

so she asks question again

we will have a program for tax fairness... I will balance the budget in the 6th or 7th year of my administration - all laugh- did I catch that right?

For going over time.

I thought it was because he claimed he'd balance the budget in the 6th or 7th year of his administration.

Feel free to differ.

considering the moderators interrupt ALL the candidates, and so far none of it has engendered a chuckle.

If nothing else, a statement like that is going to get you a headline somewhere.

:)

the 6th or 7th year of my administration

They were actually laughing at him and his "we will give tax cuts in the sixth or seventh year of my administration...", while he said "what? what?" as they laughed. <edit:balance the buget, not tax cuts..>

Oy vey.

of my administration. did i miss something?

He said he was going to balance the budget in the 6th or 7th year of his administration and the audience laughed at him.

read accounts above. He was doing well up till that.

Is this going to work. Me thinks not.

He is showing that he's not talk but he puts things into action.

He's doing quite well, and he's right about being the only on stage to balance a budget.

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