http://www.philly.com/inquirer/opinion/20080523_In_most_inclusive_count__Clinton_has_the_numbers.html">"Clinton's path is both obvious and simple: Win the popular vote and force Barack Obama and his cheerleaders to explain why that doesn't matter."

I think we can still push Hillary to a win. Look at the way Edwards tanked after his loss in South Carolina and compare that to the way Hillary's recovering. Usually candidates fall apart after the media makes a deliberate and concerted effort to drive them from the race, but neither they nor Obama have been enough to keep Hillary down. What's more, Hillary continues to dominate Obama in head-to-head match-ups against McCain.

That Hillary is still performing so well is a testament both to her strength as a candidate and Obama's serious weaknesses.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/">+++KEEP HILLARY ON THE PATH TO THE NOMINATION+++

to admit one - you.

Hawkeye-X

Obama will sink us

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May23.html

While Hillary means an easy win:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May23.html

When I have a 302-228 Obama victory?

like, you know, evidence?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6092149

Care to explain why?

Oh I don't need polls or anything. I know exactly what states we will gate if Obama is the Democratic nominee and wisely chooses a VP nominee

Hawkeye-X

And more about the so-called "popular" vote in the primaries:

When? In 2012? Or perhaps in 2016? Is Scaife funding this TREASONOUS pro-McCain drivel?

pnorman
PS:

In fact, I think Obama's supporters are completely dividing the party. And I also don't think a lot of them identify strongly with the Democratic party. Of course, some do. But you can't tell me that all of the people at his rallies are registered Democrats. He's attracting crossover Republicans and Independents whose identification is with candidate, NOT party. According to an ad The Nation is running, two thirds of the crossover Republicans and independents in Pennsylvania went for Obama, not Clinton.

I find his identification with the Democratic party to be weaker than Clinton's, or, for example, Kerry's or Gore's. Have you ever seen Obama out raising money for another candidate? Clinton has been out here in Washington MANY times raising money for other peoples' campaigns. For that matter, she raised money for Obama in 2004. I've never seen Obama out here working for anyone else, and there are people running who could have used his help.

voted Bush in 2004. The only reason she has been in the race this long is because Republics are dicking with the race.

was Ross Perot. Obama isn't going to need a third party Republicon spoiler.

(that large numbers are not identified democrats) then there is a good chance they will evaporate and evaporate quickly and for any number of reasons.

He is attracting a lot of new interest in the election, but not to the party (IMO). In fact, DNC fundraising is horrible. All the money is going to him (I also read an article where it says that he wants people to donate just to him, not any interest groups which of course, includes progressive advocacy groups). One of our staff went to his rally and was quite excited about it, but I doubt if she could name our two state senators.

But what does this "Obama losing momentum" statement remind me of?

Oh yes: "We've just turned the corner in Iraq."

Yeah, so many corners get turned when one is spinning.

Can't one dislike Israel's misguided policies and still be a good American. perhaps the truest of Americans?

A Jan. '08 troll from the Likud Party has come to visit! Welcome!

to quit sniffing glue.

Loved Airplane!

Lloyd Bridges and Robert Stack were! Oh, and of course, Leslie.

:toast:

Oh, the irony.

I mean, you're not serious, are you? :crazy:

Bush-Clinton with Jeb and Chelsea.

YAY!!!! Change for a change!

caucus states which DO vote in Nov., but DOES include Puerto Rico which does NOT vote in Nov. Nor does it include any votes for Obama in MI. Give it up. She lost fair and square.

Puerto Rico count when it doesn't vote in the GE? And why doesn't Obama get ANY votes from MI for following the rules? Sorry, if the rules were that the winner is the one who gets the popular vote, Obama would've run his campaign differently.

this is demand the loser get the nomination thread, isn't it?

Just because she refuses to concede does not mean it's not over.

Stick a fork in it, acolyte, it's done.

By your numbers if we keep the process going then she may surpass Obama! YAY!

The temperature is rising here by 1 degree an hour and it is currently 90 degrees. By your rationalization, by this time tommorow it should be 114. I'll keep you posted.

They seem to share some really scary values.

After today she is going to be as "popular" as a leper..or a Bush (same difference)

her campaign off life-support.

wins the nomination.

Except I'll probably need a triple dose, because I want to live in a reality where Kucinich still has a realistic chance of winning the nomination.

Hillary! Popular vote IS the WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlATFrHhMQc :: the trailer


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlATFrHhMQc :: Joe and Val

http://bp3.blogger.com/_y7akKaUErMI/SDRP25MyQ7I/AAAAAAAAAWc/M3Vzkyk-esw/S259/MAP+not+MATH.jpg

sniff some more glue, finish the job--get rid of that last brain cell or two.

that has nothing to do with how much support a candidate has.

Really. :)

That's where Hillary lost the momentum. In order for her to have had any chance her numbers had to keep rising from there, leaving Obama steadily in her wake. I understood her argument that a lead in the pledged delegate count was not the equivalent to Obama locking up the nomination, but Hillary had a difficult case to make. In order to make it momentum not only had to favor her, but it had to show that Obama was falling out of favor with the electorate. Some kind of mushy quasi stalemate at best just won't cut it for her now. She is still 7 points BEHIND in that poll, not 7 points ahead.

What about the count in these states?

You people are a bunch of delusional nitwits.

My team got more base hits, so they win (even though your team scored more runs). Screw the rules. Ends justify the means...