The vileness of the attacks on Hillary Clinton here make her look tame

And, now many of these same folks want to express concern over their candidates' safety. There has been absolutely NO concern here at DU for the safety of Hillary Clinton from the folks behind the full-force personal attacks on the candidate and her family.

Now some of the same folks want to elicit outrage regarding Clinton's innocuous statement expressing that anything can happen between now and June, and that it has, to a dramatic and tragic degree in the past.

But, I've NEVER seen ANY statement by Hillary Clinton which rises to the despicable level of bile which regularly spews forth with impunity within some of these threads. By any comparison to the overall responses to her from rival supporters here, she's been respectful and polite throughout this campaign. Comments from here at DU have been appalling. And worse, they've been rec'd and supported with even worse attacks on the Clinton family. I've been holding my breath wondering if the extreme level of animosity expressed toward Sen. Clinton is going to manifest itself in some desperate, stupid act.

But, I realize, by the justifications offered for the attacks on Sen. Clinton, that there is no concern at all for her welfare among those who can't resist letting go with all of the hatred they can manage in their daily diatribes.

But, they want me to take offense at an innocuous statement from her pointing out the history of the period in presidential primaries between now and the nomination . . .

are you proud of yourself?

We have the first black candidate who has been likened to RFK, and Clinton using RFK's assassination as a reason to stay in the race? That is NOT defensible, and it disappoints me to hear you defending this.

I find it a perceived threat, and hope Obama has amped up his security from nuts like yourself.

Yesterday Hillary crudely exploited two sacred pillars of Liberalism: Abolition and Womens Suffrage (while also interjecting a racist Zimbabwe angle) in her laughable "count the votes" scheme. Today she cashes in on the assassination of RFK. These are only the latest in the endless trail of fetid slime that is her odious campaign.

Last time I checked, there is no Democratic litmus test applied when I enter the voting booth. My registration just says Democrat, not a question mark.

You and the bile you've spewed here gives you no credibility at all to pass judgment on Sen. Clinton's character. But, you go on . . .

Hillary
NO on Amendment No. 4882 that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.
YES on Bankruptcy bill which stripped protections for people in debt.
YES on Kyle/Lieberman bill that sets the stage for the US to take military action against Iran - FOOL ME ONCE...
YES on the Iraq War Resolution.
Hillary refused to sign the AFC Anti-Torture Pledge

McCain Identical to Hillary
NO on Amendment No. 4882 that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.
YES on Bankruptcy bill which stripped protections for people in debt.
YES on Kyle/Lieberman bill that sets the stage for the US to take military action against Iran.
YES on the Iraq War Resolution.
McCain refused to sign the AFC Anti-Torture Pledge

It's just wrong. There are so many more historical references she could allude to. Not the shooting of a Democratic Presidential nominee. You shouldn't be so quick to start defending her on this.

against an OP with the headline "The vileness of the attacks on Hillary Clinton here make her look tame" in light of today's unsettlingly curious remark from Senator Clinton.

Once again bigtree, you are better than this. Clinton misspoke badly with her assasination remark. I'm sure she did not mean it the way it came out, but out it came. But you simply cannot expect these sorts of fuckups to go unchallenged. She screwed up. Again. Oh well.

DESPICABLE comment from someone cold blooded.

and their shills. Faux outrage is their hallmark.

May 22nd? Where was Obama? Campaigning in his "57 states". ? It is revolting to assign this kind of interpetation to this statement.

posted many times only to be met with standard genitalia obsessed narcissistic gibberish - - -

Hillary
NO on Amendment No. 4882 that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.
YES on Bankruptcy bill which stripped protections for people in debt.
YES on Kyle/Lieberman bill that sets the stage for the US to take military action against Iran - FOOL ME ONCE...
YES on the Iraq War Resolution.
Hillary refused to sign the AFC Anti-Torture Pledge

McCain Identical to Hillary
NO on Amendment No. 4882 that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.
YES on Bankruptcy bill which stripped protections for people in debt.
YES on Kyle/Lieberman bill that sets the stage for the US to take military action against Iran.
YES on the Iraq War Resolution.
McCain refused to sign the AFC Anti-Torture Pledge

OBAMA
YES on Amendment No. 4882 that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas.
NO on Bankruptcy bill which stripped protections for people in debt.
In response to the Kyle/Lieberman bill that sets the stage for the US to take military action against Iran Obama drafted legislation stating that Congress did not grant President Bush the authority to attack Iran, either through the Kyl-Lieberman amendment or any resolution previously adopted.
Not then in the Senate but took a public stand against the Iraq War Resolution
OBAMA signed the AFC Anti-Torture Pledge

Cluster bombs and landmines are particularly terrifying weapons that wreak havoc on communities trying to recover from war. They are fatal impediments to reconstruction and rehabilitation of agricultural land; they destroy valuable livestock; they disable otherwise productive members of society; they maim or kill children trying to salvage them for scrap metal. Over 150 nations have signed the 1997 Mine Ban Treaty. In the autumn of 2006, there was a chance to take a step in the right direction: Senate Amendment No. 4882, an amendment to a Pentagon appropriations bill that would have banned the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas. Amendment No. 4882 was an easy one to vote against: Who'd want to risk accusation of "tying the hands of the Pentagon" during a never-ending, global War on Terror? As is so often the case, there was no political cost to doing the wrong thing. And there was no political reward for doing the right thing.
But Senator Obama did the right thing.
Senator Obama of Illinois voted IN FAVOR of the ban.
Senator Clinton of New York voted AGAINST the ban.
Analysts say Clinton did not want to risk appearing "soft on terror," as it would have harmed her electability. Amendment Rejected.

http://www.stopclustermunitions.org /

I do not like Hillary, but I have tried to feel empathy for her through this whole race. I understand that she is human, and this is something she has dreamed about for a long time. It is heart-breaking to watch someone's dreams be shattered while the whole world looks on with baited breath. However, this does cross the line, and she knows it. She has already issued an apology for offending the country and the Kennedy's in particular.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05232008/news/nationalnews/why_hill_wont_drop_out__bobby_kennedy_wa_112232.htm

"I regret that if my referencing that moment of trauma for our entire nation and in particular the Kennedy family was in any way offensive. I certainly had no intention of that whatsoever," the former first lady said.

So are you now less proud because she did not stand by her statement? She could have EASILY made the point that many primaries have gone on into June with out bringing violence into the mix, but she chose not to.

To your point about history, I do not think she understands history, or else she would have voted against the IWR. This is another Viet-Nam, we are fighting an enemy that cannot be distinguished from the civilians we are there to "free". If she understood history, she would understand how terribly painful events like this are. An assassination, 9-11, slavery, and a myriad of other national tragedies are not something to profit from, yet she continues to try. Understanding history is not using it to plant ideas in over zealous supporters or obvious bigots that she has been pandering to, it is using it to keep future generations from making the same mistakes. Her behavior of late has been heinous.

I had hoped that from the inside we could weigh our abundant and excellent choices thoughtfully, and, god help me, with some class. I would have been happy to vote for any of the original slate of contenders, and I will be happy to vote for Barack Obama. But I would have been happy enough to vote for HRC as well, and confident that the country was in healing hands. There is no way that any Democrat could do worse that GWB, though it will be a tall order for anyone to repair all the wormholes Rove & Co. have tunneled through our national infrastructure. I just don't see the point in falling into MSM's relentless attention to trivialities. They called it a bitter battle cause that's the kind of thing that is exciting, convenient and has no burden of complexity and, damn it, Democrats showed that they had learned well how to go after Democrats themselves with the most scurrilous ad hominem attacks and it just makes me a little sad. We don't need this. It kind of tarnishes what I had hoped to experience as a triumphant march government that DOES work.

and this one will go by the wayside.

thankfully so in some cases. However, when Bush says something versus when I say something the impact on the world is generally less for me.

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feel better?

NO ONE IS ADVOCATING OR ENCOURAGING ASSASSINATION

But, you go on pretending for your petty political purpose.

That is why the vile woman said it. That is what makes it so wrong!

and highlighting the fact that no one has been nominated yet.

And, she isn't a 'vile' woman at all. I'm not surprised to hear this in your defense of this line of attack on her statement.

the sex scandals that have plagued many a politician...BUT ASSASSIGNATION...THAT IS OVER THE TOP at least for me!

She's being (rightfully) roasted for even bringing this subject up, on both sides of the blogosphere.

The only place this vile shit is being defended? Right here.

Be proud.

- as

enough with the self-righteous bullshit

Can you tell me with a straight face that Bill's and Bobby Kennedy's campaigns were the only two examples she could have brought up as long-running primaries?

She's an attorney. She knows full well the weight and importance of words, and it's a built-in with attorneys that every statement is calculated to advance the argument.

Advocating? No. Impying? You're goddamn skippy.

Shame on Hillary Clinton. She clearly should have known better.

- as

that's despicable and dishonest.

Dog-whistle.

Have you seen the 'apology' yet?

She apologizes to the kennedy family. Not to Obama.

She knew exactly what she was saying. And that's 'despicable and dishonest.'

Too bad you can't see it, bigtree.

- as

You know what you're doing as well, I believe.

I'm speaking my mind. that's still allowed here, right?

- as

Hell no, she's waiting in the wings for him to be assassinated.

Innocuous? bullshit. She knows exactly what she's doing- it plays on people's fears. More politics of fear. Sounds like Bush - despicable.

You sound like Bush. Take that and shove it.

It would probably involve assassination.

:scared:

Much more pernicious than ANYTHING I've heard from Hillary Clinton.

thin skin?? If I said "I think you're an ignorant, desperate, delusional person", that would be an attack, however I said nothing even close to that.

be called on it...

from republicans with their swiftboat tactics.

:puke: :puke: :puke:

self-righteous bullshit.

:thumbsdown:

since you are defending this line of attack on Hillary Clinton.

season" remark. Didn't take you long to start imitating your Queen's vile insinuations, did it?

You'll argue anything which suits your sick obsession, I guess

but, I'm not really expecting anything close to a 'textbook' response from you.

so I'm not really surprised. :thumbsdown:

and a lie.

Yes, it was an innocuous statement that has been overblown.

I'm no Hillary fan, but my assumption is something has been taken out of context. Surely, she would not infer that Obama could be assassinated to justify anything (staying in or not).

I have no clue if this story has hit the MSM to any degree, if so, maybe Hillary can clarify what she meant.

Innocuous means it gives no offense or does no harm. Even if her intent was no harm, it was at least a major faux pas, more likely in terribly bad taste, and less likely something that was on her mind inappropriately.

The people commenting on DU aren't running for President of the United States of America.

What Hillary said today is indefensible.

that's the difference

Grow a brain

I've been patient up to this point, but enough is enough.

To the people that post on THIS site. It is NOT about Obama winning. They could (in reality) care less if Obama won. It is about hating Hillary. Plain and simple.

just saying it doesn't make it so

and supporting Sen. Obama's candidacy/nomination for the Office of the President of the US, some of the Obamanuts on this board create nuggets of craziness over which Sen. Clinton is dragged.

It pi$$es me off and I put all thought of donating to Sen. Obama's campaign out of my head!:grr:

Please answer that.

had not yet been decided in "June" , and no one said he should "get out". She was pointing out this is still MAY.

There was no reason to mention RFK's assassination. None.

Really?

Shocking.

And weren't just another tool. I can see I was clearly wrong about that.

ANOTHER ASSASSINATION?

she is a proven liar and fabricator, a deceitful make-shit-up and I just simply don't trust her. throw in blustering bill and triple that sentiment.

I could pick a name out of a hat from a page in the phone book and that person would have more integrity and honour to be president that her. she is a wrecking ball with her careless words and sense of monarchy.

:grr:

come on....... Fuck.....

...You know...I feel better for that...

I was trying to be aware of some folks sensibilies that don't like that word in the 'Subject' portion of a post...But Fuck it anyway... ;-)

:bounce:

:rofl:

:hi:

Sometimes words do count HRC ; they count when men call women sweetie and when women suggest that a black man may just happen to get killed/lynched for challenging a white woman.

so predictable from this place

have no conscience defending those comments.

Who the fuck do you believe you are? My god?

Nothing you say should be taken seriously anymore. Ignore.

and then i re read her comment on the nytimes

she used examples of how primaries go on till june, so why should she drop out

she is not ENCOURAGING or asserting that obama will be assassinated or anything of the nature. just mentioned two separate occasions in which primaries lasted longer than expected

twisting her words is what is ugly

she should have kept her mouth firmly shut

Jesus Christ, the Rodney King riots would look like a picnic in Paradise if anything happened to Barack. The man is so insulated by the threat of the aftermath, it's unreal. Look at the hyperbolic responses to merely mentioning going to the Convention.

However, I don't put it past a Hillary-Hater to go after her. Nope. And that would be THE END of the Democratic Party.

I'll give credit to O's campaign for having a noise machine that makes the Repub noise machine sound like a dying mouse.

I can't wait until Tuesday so I can re-register as an Independent again. Maybe the difference in the platforms of Dems and Repubs is different, but there's no difference in how the supporters express themselves. None.

Give it up, bigtree. This is Obama Underground, and we are not worthy to touch the hem of its robe.

She doesn't say anthing unless it's well thought out and referring to RFKs assassination is serious stuff. Come on!

x(

which the Obama camp has been trying to dismiss. I guess they'll be able to 'brush them off' now.

She didn't need to throw it out there like that to make her point. All of us have thought about (or feared) Obama getting assassinated whether we want to admit it or not. It's so horrible we don't want to think about it and certainly don't openly talk about it.

What Hillary said is like being punched in the stomach.

The animus is because folks hate her and want to put the worst spin on the statement. According to her statement the possibility of harm doesn't just apply to Sen. Obama. Especially since she's assuming she can still win this by influencing the SDs.

There's nothing she's said that indicates she's banking on something happening to Obama. She's just pointing out that the primary isn't over.

I'd like to think that perhaps that is exactly what is going on right now and that so many people are just plain vile and have been all along but had once been good at hiding what is a character traid that is nothing to brag about.

Sure you can make the point that other people have said it, but never should the candidate bring it up during an active campaign. That is just asking some crazy out of control supporter to go out and do it. The fact that you cannot see the difference is beyond belief.

I don't think this is a Dem. board anymore. The vitriol against fellow Dems is unbelievable. And it just goes on and on....

I am sorry that you do not see why what she said is wrong. I have never advocated the killing of the Clintons or anybody else. It is sad that Hillary herself had to bring up this specific event, when she easily could have just mentioned Bill and left it at that. We fucking KNOW that Bobby was killed in the 1968 primaries, why repeat it when assessing your chances at a win??

. . . about the unpredictability of the period between now and the nomination as the media and others want to act as if the process is over and that there can be no surprises or events which could change tha outcome. She was making the case that the primary isn't over. She's correct. It isn't.

You are every bit as annoying as the unrelenting Obama defenders. Neither candidate is perfect. They make mistakes. Pull your head out of the sand and admit it when she does. You people are embarrassing, and do nothing to convert anyone to Sen. Clinton's cause.

She said something stupid, and my guess is that she will be smart enough to admit it. Obviously you aren't.

you need to stifle mine

You convince yourself that you are helping Sen. Clinton, and you aren't. That is what is so sad about it.

Go phonebank or send her some money if you want to help her. Most of the stuff you post here is doing exactly the opposite.

I wish she had the integrity you seem to have.

. . . and put into their little box.

good luck with all of your own efforts.

do nothing to convert anyone to Senator Obama.

you should have just ducked and covered but no you have to try and defend an indefensible remark. Oh and Bullshit Bigtree fucking bullshit.

It's just lying.

In these threads are a bunch of nuts and a few serious people. What they say is of relatively little import. What a candidate with millions of voters behind them says is another story.

That innocuous statement was very unfortunate. I doubt she meant it as anything, but there are some real crazy people out there who will hear what they want to hear. Just given the number of voters out there, and the way the media has been flogging this campaign run, There are going to be those who are obsessed, and not mentally well, opposing or supporting each of the major candidates. Without even moving to anyone with ill intentions, just those are scary enough, and a comment like this has the possibility of being a very potent fuel on the fire.

If that had been said by Obama in regards to Hillary, it would be just as wrong. The first strong Woman candidate and the first strong Multiracial candidate have something in common. They WILL inspire hate from some people. They will be in danger that your standard White male would not be. I would not want to be secret service this year, because their jobs have got to be very nervous work right now.


In the end saying what she said, at the time she said it, was a very bad choice. I would rest easier at night if she had just used the example of her husbands campaign and left it at that.

"Obama last year received Secret Service protection earlier than any other presidential candidate, and his supporters have privately and publicly worried about his safety, citing the assassinations of Robert F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. in 1968."

They don't automatically give SecServ protection to all candidates. :(

how easy it is to ignore the truth.

if she is found to have used his name than my opinion of this would surely be changed but people telling me that they THINK she was inferring that the same could happen to Obama is nothing more than pure speculation from people that obviously have no desire to see Sen Clinton in any other light except an evil one...

Prejudice talk at this point in time because of thier over the top self proclaimed hate, nothing more nothing less.

JoeIsOneOfUs (1000+ posts) Fri May-23-08 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #94
96. no - the point is NEITHER of them should talk about the other being killed. nt


Explain to me exactly what you meant then? Perhaps I am mistaken as to what your true meaning was?

it seems to be quite easy for people here to turn into some kind of mentality mob. I swear from reading some of these posts I think I have a better understanding of how those in Salem back in the day acted when falsely accusing others of witchcraft...

do I believe Sen clinton is playing dirty politics? Yes I do, but then again its pretty easy to cross the line when you have so many people in the background all speaking at once telling you what to say...but do I agree with what is going on in Du? No, I do not, once the clinton's could do not wrong except if perhaps you were a repug and then and only then all things clinton were attacked with some of the worst commentary that I ever had the misfortune to read.


If people here on Du honestly believe that Sen Clinton was advocating that Obama should be assassinated then I think they have fallen crossed the dark side and fail to see what they have allowed themselves to be viewed as...

Just my opinion mind you, frankly I would personally be better off with a re pub in office but I hated the way those less fortunate that I and my family are treated and how little respect conservatives give to those less fortunate...mob mentality is a horrific event to have to bear witness to, I have come to realize one thing, regardless of ones political leanings and station in life, compassion and forgiveness can no longer be limited to those that call themselves Dems...

I think at this point and time I see nothing wrong with Hillary wanting to go as long as she can in order to win the primaries, she has worked hard and endured much and she deserves her time and not one of us have a right to demand she step away from a race she has every right to see to the end...


What bothers me the most is back in 2000 when Gore's Presidency was so blatantly stolen from him, those who called themselves Dem's wanted him too to just let it go, not fight until the end, blah blah blah....I recall arguing with avid Dem's that he had every right to demand justice for his stolen presidency and yet people called him a whiner, said he was HURTING the dem party, exact words blah blah blah...

Eight years later, look what happened....if enough people stood behind him then we would not be in this mess we now find ourselves....

If Gore had been allowed to stay in it until the end, life would have been so different for so many but people tend to lose patience far to easily regardless of race, station and or gender, in that respect it is not only the conserves whom share the blame for what is happening to our country, we all do.

Mob mentality is an ugly side of humans, I pray that I never find myself running with such a pack.

were doing exactly the opposite. i see it here and i see it in people i know. last year, bill clinton was the best president in recent history, and now he is a racist and hillary is, by accounts here, the most evil person to ever walk the earth. i agree that it is mob mentality, and i am more appalled by that than by hillary's dirty politics.

can lose their dignity so easily....I am beginning to believe that all the years of "I hate Clinton" being spewed by the right have now become part of some so called Dem's mindsets....and that so many do not realize how wrong this is all is honestly frightening as well..

My faith in humanity being above the animal kingdom's mentality continues to lessen each and every day.

rw clinton-hating manual. the things i read here daily about the clintons is appalling and embarrassing. and i concur again: my faith is dwindling daily.

statements before word for word,,and it is appalling and those repeating such rhetoric should be embarressed but I have a sinking feeling that echoing the clinton hate manual is only bring a strange pleasure in a sickening way to many.

I lived through the assassinations of three great men. To bring up the assassination of Bobby after I am already scared to death of this very thing happening pushed every button I have.

It isn't mob mentality it is raw fear and overwhelming disgust, at least for my part.

and every year on some program or from some official, I was only four when President Kennedy was assassinated, he was not God as I understand now that I am older but I recall my parents in tears as we stood in line to give our respects to what I firmly believe to have been one of our finest leaders in this country.

I recall just last year watching a program biography of a sort and feeling the same way that my parents did so long ago, I sat in front of the television and cried for the horror of that day as if it had just happened...

We live in a world where wrongful death's are daily occurrences, where evil runs rampant and where goodness and kindness are fading to such a high degree that many people actually do wish for the end of the world with an anticipation never before witnessed.

the problem that I see here is that it is talked about often, and to act as if this fact has remained silent all these years simply to be brought up on one warm morning by Sen clinton in order to remind nut cases out there that the should be thinking about such is more than reaching in order to simply find another reason to spew vile rhetoric against Sen clinton.

What I believe I happening to some is that they are just so lost and outraged and scared of what has been allowed to occur inside our borders that they have seemingly found a way to lessen that very real fear and self loathing that they themselves cannot change the destruction of our country that they have found in Sen Obama a sort of Godlike adoration and hope that he is somehow the messiah of change and can single handily slay the evil lords...


He is but a man you know, as she is but a woman, and alone they are useless, united they can and hopefully will prevail against the darkness but honestly to put someone on such a high pedestal is a waste of time and sooner or later one is bound to be disappointed, you cannot change the outcome, I have yet to find any human being worthy of perfection in my book, and I doubt very strongly I ever will nor will you, not in this lifetime, not in this world.

Deal with it or go away.

We are the Roman Empire after all. Soon to fall.

thread after thread.

the bias here is unbelievable...

You think you wouldn't have gone insane if Obama had said that about her and he was losing? The mods know how mad we are. Get a clue.

But, I guess the Maiden in Distress nonsense will convince some that she should launch a preemptive strike and "obliterate" us before the "vile" DUers go off their rockers.

what could happen?

But, I doubt it.

Just wait until you hear the response from the African American community.

I believe her campaign is kaput.

Her campaign is faltering, but not because of this innocuous statement.

Nevertheless, I disagree that it was an innocuous statement. I understand you think it is, which is ok by me, but we have only begun to see the fallout from this. I can tell you, after growing up in a mixed African American/Caucasian community, this is way more deeply hurtful than just an innocuous statement.

Actually, what she said was dangerous in many ways, for many groups of people/organisations. Time will bear this out, but believe me when I tell you, I hope I am wrong about the gravity of this situation.

.

Stoke it baby. sick!

Like your response, Hillary's use of Robert Kennedy's assassination to instill fear was petty and pathetic.

This has barely begun to reverberate in the African American community.

By Sunday, after thousands of sermons, get ready for major blowback.

Hillary's campaign is kaput.

Anyone who can still defend her is a vile human being.

. . . by a stranger on an internet chat board.

Self-righteous bullshit . . . complete with the predictable personal attack. You folks really don't know anything else, do you? And to think, other folks are inspired by that. It's a sad sick world here on DU these days.

Put me on ignore too.

She has the protection of the Secret Service. Obama? Maybe not so much.

Just like reporting on what McCain and his supporters say is obviously anti-McCain bias.

So I guess the only unbiased action is to report on what someone's pastor once said.

Hmm, now what is it about U.S. politics that seems a tad out of kilter?

to threaten to OBLITERATE the middle east if they do something she doesn't like.

With talk like that, she better grow a bit thicker hide with regards to comments by people who can't stand her behavior.

but i think her comment was ill-advised, and she should have known better. i understand what she meant, but it was not a smart way to say it.

but i think she's crossed a line from which she cannot return. this will sink her.

Hillary made a mistake, plain and simple. Stop being a Hillary apologist.

the common sense far too many seem to have misplace still alive and will within him.

but ...

She did bring up the racial issue. Even if you go along with the contention that the Obama campaign mentioned it first then there was still no reason for first Bill, then Geraldine Ferraro then Hillary herself to actually commit and compound the offense.

Her Campaign has cried "sexism" over every minor idiosyncrasy of the English Language - "Periodically" and "Claws" for example.

She did sign the agreement over Florida and Michigan, she also went further ans stated outright that she did not believe the votes in Michigan would count at the convention.

Her campaign has vetoed solutions agreed by the DNC with FL and MI.

She did mention that Pledged delegates do not have to stay with their pledge; although, ironically, the only pledged delegate to follow that advice at present has been a Clinton delegate.

She has squandered a massive lead in fund raising and her campaign is hugely in debt.

She has been abysmal in selecting her senior staff - Patti Solis Doyle and Mark Penn specifically.

She did lie, and lie repeatedly, about Bosnia.

She has never apologized for her IWR vote; John Edwards did, Hillary Clinton has not.

She did favourably compare McCain to Obama.

She does do conference calls with the Blogosphere to coordinate attacks on "Obama friendly" sites

She has just reminded every goofball and nutcase that candidates have been assassinated prior to the convention before.

She has raised this ridiculous "popular vote" idea and then manipulated the numbers until (in her mind) she is ahead.

and last, but by no means least ...

There are the nauseous Hillary booster sites such as Hillary is 44 which do nothing but raise the specious talking points that are currently favoured by her campaign.

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I agree that there are many petty minded Obama supporters (even myself at times) but even I have tried peacemaking and have been attacked for it by Clinton Boosters. That I could ignore but then I saw how EVERY approach made by Obama supporters was similarly greeted with ridicule, it seems in fact that many Clinton Supporters do not wish for peace to break out here because that would not suit their purpose.

I strongly suspect that every other site that does not openly support Hillary is attacked in the same way (look at the sheer vitriol posted here about KOS, Huffpo and TYT). Such attacks here serve 2 purposes; firstly they put out a view that the posters wish to establish as a perceived truth, and secondly they encourage attacks from normally reasonable members who oppose this view. The disruptors then claim victimhood and seek sympathy from less aggressive board members. These tactics are not easily countered on an open board such as this, for banning the offenders (except for the most egregious offenses) allows them to claim "censorship" by the Board Admin. An outbreak of peace would undermine this tactic and allow Admin to be more free in the tombstones it delivers.

Given all of this, and I suspect more, do you really wonder why peoples gorge rises with every passing day. Can you not see why Hillary is castigated as much as she is? Could it be that in addition to "not getting Obama" you do not get the small minded viciousness of the Clinton Campaign and the surrogates who post here so often? If you cannot "get" this point then any respect I have for you will be lost.

The difference between a computer kid behind a monitor and a national presidential contender is as big and as wide as the nature of a bullied kid and a convicted killer.

You have posted the most loathsome thing I've ever read on the internet.

I completely agree the reaction is overblown. She was simply making the connection between the month of June and Bill and Bobby's wins.

We need to remember, bigtree, DU represents like, .000001% of the population.

NOBODY else in the country takes themselves as seriously as this group does! :rofl:

from Obama. It's so sad for us - these people who are just as easily manipulated as the far right: two sides of the same coin.

n/t

Hillary said something stupid. Okay, fine. I checked out hillaryis44 for the first time today (just for fun) and was shocked at how they're so unhinged. I don't expect it here.

Bigtree doesn't deserve all this shit. Come on people, take a step back...

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If they keep this up then they also might end up costing the democrats the election if they continue their current personal attacks upon Hillary and anyone who tries to even be impartial about an issue regarding hillary.

They simply do not like her.
They adore Obama.
And God help anybody who gets in the way of them and their man.

we need the wood.

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You have been drinking Hillary's kool-aid for too, too long.

By the way, someone pissed in that punchbowl a long time ago.

Enjoy.

She is saying that she is continuing her campaign and undermining the nominee because terrible things could happen to the person who has won the nomination.

She is expressing, honestly, that she is not going to consider the interests of the country and the party ahead of hers.

She is going to make every calculation based on how she will profit.

To reference assassination given the long history of assassination of black leaders is particularly upsetting, but her ineffective apology has made it worse.

Does anyone with any objectivity really believe that the super delegates are going to overturn the votes of the pledged delegates after this?

But give it the most, the very most charitable reading and it clearly shows that she is not up to handling the stress she has put herself under to be President. Many campaigns have been destroyed by much more 'innocuous' statements; Dean's scream, Biden's misstatments, Romney's (dad) statements about Vietnam, this is much more of a gaffe than that.

Don't let the comments here get to you.

DU is an embarrassment to the Democratic Party.

The abuse towards Hillary and the Clinton family on this board is absolutely frightening. No right thinking person could construe from Hillary's statement that she meant anything dark.

I'm disgusted by most of the people on this board. DISGUSTED!!!

Thanks for posting, bigtree. You are always rational.

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the ones who sound sane and resonable and thats how they sounded tonight when they pointed out that this is being overblown, some of you here might wanna consider that fact.
Edit: Oh and for the record in general I hate fox news as I consider them to usually be little more than a propoganda news network run by alot of muppets with the GOP pulling their strings.

/cue muppet theme song

smells like a shameless ploy to "change the subject." :evilgrin:

Not that the acolytes of the Anointed One would give a damn if someone took a potshot at her.

No one I know wishes harm on Hillary. It's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say, not to mention completely unfair.

written on this blog and others over her comments. Comments that in no way had anything to do with Obama, but leave it to the pundits and to his supporters to go into a tizzy about it. Funny, but not everything is about Obama. Some of us manage just fine not giving him a passing thought.

That's the problem with painting with a broad brush. I'm an Obama supporter, but I am concerned about the safety of both candidates. That is one of the reasons I hate it when these types of criticisms come up. It's hard telling what sort of fires they are stoking among those who are upset at the prospect of the first woman or African American president.

Hillary's comments may have been insensitive, she could have avoided saying that Bobby had been assassinated that month, but she was in no way implying that maybe a similar event would occur once again. She was just talking about the length of the primary season and how her husband and Bobby hadn't yet clenched their nominations until June.

Her comments certainly did not warrant the punditry making crazy assumptions and KO going on another diatribe, as he lately does far too frequently. Add to that, the nutty Obama supporters (I don't mean everyone, just the ones who are a little too fanatical for their own good) and the whole thing became an unnecessary fabricated 3 day scandal.

That kind of crazy overreaction will not unite the party.

I have been worried about both of them. There is no shortage of lunatics out there who think going to jail for the rest of their lives is worth not seeing an African American male or a woman president. It's sickening but real. The risks have never been higher, but that is par for the course when you're making history.

Obama nor any Obama supporter has talked about a possible assassination of Hillary, so I think your OP is rather stupid.