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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:19 PM
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My fellow Obama supporters: You do know, don't you
that we need Hillary's supporters in November to win the General Election?

I don't think she should be VP. I hope Obama doesn't choose her.

But, this is no way to win friends and influence people. Take a deep breath and realize one thing: THE RACE IS OVER. OBAMA WON. HE IS THE NOMINEE.

Now, let's start working to elect him, rather than alienating the very people we need to win the damned thing by going just a tad overboard with our reactions to Clinton's dumbass gaffe.

She fucked up. She has already committed political suicide. There's no dignity in politically beating a dead horse.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:21 PM
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1. She should have been out ages ago
The reason she isn't is because she's hoping "something happens" to Obama. She tried to pretend his campaign might implode, lol, but she always meant he might get assassinated. She's just finally said enough crazy shit that people understand what she means when she says it. She needs to end her campaign now and she won't do it unless we insist and don't stop this time.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:25 PM
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4. I don't deny that she might have made a Freudian slip
and really said what she had in the back of her mind the whole time. No doubt. I'm just trying to think about long-term. Hillary still has a helluva lot of supporters, and we don't need to piss them off by dancing on the political grave that she dug for herself today.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:28 PM
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6. If you don't express your outrage
You aren't going to be heard. That's why she's still in it. Everybody keeps pulling back so as not to upset the sweet little old ladies. Well enough already. If we'd been telling them the truth about this primiary all along, they wouldn't be upset with the reality that SHE LOST.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:30 PM
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8. I don't give a shit about upsetting Clinton. She should be upset...
I care about winning the fucking election. I don't want to upset her supporters so that they stay home in November.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:33 PM
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10. They aren't staying home
I'm tired of the threat. It's a bunch of hooey and always has been.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:39 PM
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22. Maybe you are right.
But, tell me this. If Clinton ends up stealing the nomination by going nuclear, do you think Obama supporters would vote for her in the GE?

I'm sure as hell not voting for her if she does that.
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:03 PM
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38. Can you be sure of that?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:36 PM
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39. Yes. Old people always vote n/t
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madmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:05 AM
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40. I know at least two "old" people thinking about only voting down ticket!
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:33 PM
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14. You don't think many of her supporters would be as appalled at her comments
as many here are? I am speaking about her REAL world supporters not the Clinton supporters here at DU. I suspect many, many of her supporters are appalled and are not adverse to saying so.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:39 PM
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24. I hope you're right. nt
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:21 PM
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2. Agree
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:24 PM
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3. I'm a Clinton supporter and I agree with you that it ended after her weak win in Indiana.
But it's her right to play it out, especially given that they're only within a % of each other. And I personally would like to see her on the ticket.

But someone leaked this spin to the NY Post and they ran with it. This is character assassination likened to Al Gore's inventing the Internet, Kerry's "being for the war before being against it," and other word twisting in order to innoculate Obama's having to place her on the ticket. Bush tactics. Axelrod puts Karl Rove to shame.

Few will agree with me, so I'm going to leave it there.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:27 PM
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5. Well, Axelrod actually said that he doesn't believe Clinton
meant anything bad by it. Whether he believes that or not is another thing.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:33 PM
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11. He os being ever so kind because he knows
he is dealing with a CRAZY PERSON who will stop at nothing.
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:36 PM
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17. "a CRAZY PERSON who will stop at nothing."
Does that sound rational to you?
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:50 PM
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34. No she is not rational at all ~
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Writer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:34 PM
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15. If that's the case, then Axelrod can see it better than most...
but wherever the damaging spin came from - the NY Post, for one - the damage is done.

If he's playing innocent while spinning this behind everyone's backs, then that's another matter. However, I don't want to pretend I actually know what's going on, but I do identify the resulting hysteria and I pray for some common sense.
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Suich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:33 PM
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12. I agree with you!
Thank you!

:)
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WA98070 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:36 PM
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18. I think it ended with her Bosnia statement. That's when I realized she is ALL the Clinton NEGATIVES.
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McSame Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:00 PM
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37. Bosnia was the first moment when reality and fantasy for Hillary...
were not distinct entities.

I know I remember landing in airports, and I have landed in a hundred, O I would have remembered sniper fire!
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:37 PM
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19. OMG!! THANK YOU!!
I am SO GLAD to see someone gets it.

It IS character assassination- and that people claiming to be democrats are ready to rally around her and throw her onto a funeral pyre is really alarming.
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WA98070 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:46 PM
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33. She'd heading towards "Spontaneous Human Combustion."
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:39 PM
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25. I decided to endorse Obama after Indiana... but I wish that this board would be more careful
We need to win in November.

It is obvious Obama will be our nominee no matter how long Clinton stays in.
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McSame Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:28 PM
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7. Hillary just told America she's not going to be VP.
That comment was crass, and uncalled-for.

But now Obama can move on and forget about her.


She's a narcissist, and has only herself as her priority.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:31 PM
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9. If those putzes want to vote for McCain, fuck them.
There, I've reached out.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:33 PM
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13. What's with the constant admonishments to us? I'm sick of it...
Every day hillary sinks lower and WE get the lecture. Are you kidding me????? :grr:
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:37 PM
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20. Take it as a lecture if you want. That's not the intent...
I'm am trying to think about winning the General Election. The anger is justified. I'm trying to think past today. I want Obama to win this thing, and we need all the Democrats on board for that to happen.

We may not like it. But, that's the political reality.
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:35 PM
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16. I do agree. nt
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:38 PM
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21. The people defending this statement
Edited on Fri May-23-08 06:39 PM by Jake3463
Are enablers to her. You cannot defend the indefensible. What was said today was to exploit our worst fears as Obama supporters. Our biggest fear is not losing but something like what happened to RFK happening to him.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:43 PM
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30. I'm not defending what she said. Not for a second.
I'm saying that we need to think about how best to react to it. Clinton killed her campaign today. Her supporters will be grieving. Step on their grief, and see how many come out and vote for Obama in November.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:55 PM
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35. She's killed her campaign since March
Yet she's still here. She killed her campaign with the offensive white people comment...yet she's still here. Nope. No pass this time.

I'm in the process of writing a letter to Govenor Rendell.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:57 PM
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36. Good. That's a good thing to do.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:39 PM
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23. Careful or you're going to be called an "appeaser"?
;)

Normally I would go along with the "be a better man" approach. But, in this instance, I think the outrage is warranted and needs to be heard.

I mean, the woman has invented new "final rules" to break. That can't be allowed in the Democratic Party again.
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:40 PM
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26. Most Hillary supporters don't defend her remarks. The ones who
do deserve to be ignored completely.
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:40 PM
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27. If there are Hillary supporters who are not leaving Hillary on their own accord after this...
I don't think the chances are very good that they would ever vote for OBama, anyway.

I'm a Big Tent/Kumbaya type of old-school Democrat. But not with this.

There haws to come a time when we draw the line regarding what is acceptable in campaigning and what is not.

For me, this is my line: Assassination as a campaign strategy is not acceptable.

I'm pushing for the SDs to en masse endorse Obama, and for all discussion of Hillary as VP to end and now.

I think it is a bad reflection on the Democratic Party to kumbaya on this one. For Christ's sake, even Bush/Rove never used assassination as a campaign strategy!
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:45 PM
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31. Agreed.
But that can be accomplished without all the vitriol directed at Clinton's supporters. They are pissed off, too, I suspect.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:41 PM
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28. She's conducting psychological warfare now
Trying to sow the seeds of doubt whenever she can--"All he has is a speech" "Whites won't vote for him..." "He's going to be assassinated..."
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CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:42 PM
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29. I advise you to find out what Hillary MANY (not most) supporters are
actually thinking by going to Hillaryis44.

Then tell me if you still have any hope of winning or influencing these hardcore, insidious supporters.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:45 PM
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32. This is no character assissination. That person has undone herself. Obama supporters have every
right to be angry, and outraged. If Hillary supporters don't want to hear what people are thinking go hide at Hillary 44 forum. There is no way most Obama supporter will trust her to be on the ticket. Lecture us on conduct, tell me to play nice with the sesitive Hillary crowd. No fucking way. They need to see their ugly candidate for what she has become. Unity ticket is dead.
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