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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:31 PM
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Tweety(!) asked a serious & vexing question - Could Bill's business relationships survive scrutiny
This puts Hillary into the same kind of vortex that Geraldine Ferraro herself fell into, the questionable dealings of her husband.

Tweety asked it in the contex of :

Could Hillary even be VP if her husband didn't survive the vetting?

And I don't pretend to know the answer, but I feel like there's a lot we don't know about Clinton Library contributors,etc. Matthews mentioned DuBai, don't know why, but implying that there was something there.

Which of course begs the question:

If Bill's business dealings wouldn't survive scrutiny as the spouse of a VP candidate, why would they survive scrutiny for the actual Presidential candidate?
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:35 PM
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1. And the big library donator -- something
about purchasing depleted uranium with Bill facilitating the meeting between donor and seller (something like that).

These things has been brought up before, then usually died after Bill denied it. I don't know why more wasn't made of these things. It's one of the things that went into my "Clintons are kind of smarmy" file.

I've also read the Presidential Library essentially means Personal Piggy Bank.
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:35 PM
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2. No
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:50 PM
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6. They've survived scrutiny before -- repeatedly.
:grr:
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:40 PM
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11. ???? There's a world of difference between your post #1 and #6
Call me confused. And post number 1 was interesting enough that I plan on reading more about it.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:01 PM
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12. Okay. What I meant to say in both posts is that
he's NOT been held accountable. These things get some coverage, then fall off the radar - no on-going investigations or anything.


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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:31 PM
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13. Thanks! Now I get it.
It's all about who "he" refers to.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:47 PM
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16. I figure everyone can read my mind --
when even I don't know what the hell I'm thinking sometimes.

Did you find info on the depleted uranium thing?


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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:12 PM
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18. Not yet, haven't had the time. But I will remember.
My husband says that sometimes I am like a dog with a bone.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:33 PM
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21. Here's a link to a New York Times story on it --
and there's plenty more, I'm sure.

I'm going to re-read it (I'll probably get mad all over again).

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin
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Renaissance Man Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:36 PM
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3. Ferraro
I wouldn't be suprrised if Ferraro didn't know someone in the mob that would accept a payoff for "getting rid of" Sen. Obama.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:38 PM
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4. LOL - that's the REAL problem they've got - perhaps explaining why
Rush and the rest of the Neocons want to run against her at all costs.....
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:52 PM
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7. That's what I'm thinking.
I don't think Bill and Hillary have been exactly transparent with their finances and relationships. I also think that is why they are fighting so ferociously. If she loses, it is essentially the end of the Clinton "brand"
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 06:38 PM
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5. Sure they could... in the same way that Bush's could...
or any other politician's could.

It's just the same old same old... politics as usual...
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:09 PM
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8. kincking - I think it's good question. nt
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WA98070 Donating Member (782 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:13 PM
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9. Bill Clinton Lobbies for Foreign Interests against the American worker.
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 07:22 PM
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10. Details would be good. nt.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:35 PM
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14. PLEASE READ THIS!!! Bill Clinton Sells out Foreign Election Monitoring:
Many of you here know that fair elections is the reason I came to DU. This January '08 NYT article forever destroyed the Clinton legacy for me (and opened my mind to investigate what else they sold out):

After Mining Deal, Financier Donated to Clinton

By JO BECKER and DON VAN NATTA Jr.

Published: January 31, 2008

Late on Sept. 6, 2005, a private plane carrying the Canadian mining financier Frank Giustra touched down in Almaty, a ruggedly picturesque city in southeast Kazakhstan. Several hundred miles to the west a fortune awaited: highly coveted deposits of uranium that could fuel nuclear reactors around the world. And Mr. Giustra was in hot pursuit of an exclusive deal to tap them.

Unlike more established competitors, Mr. Giustra was a newcomer to uranium mining in Kazakhstan, a former Soviet republic. But what his fledgling company lacked in experience, it made up for in connections. Accompanying Mr. Giustra on his luxuriously appointed MD-87 jet that day was a former president of the United States, Bill Clinton.

-snip

snip

"Kazakhstan’s president, Nursultan A. Nazarbayev, whose 19-year stranglehold on the country has all but quashed political dissent."

"Mr. Nazarbayev walked away from the table with a propaganda coup, after Mr. Clinton expressed enthusiastic support for the Kazakh leader’s bid to head an international organization that monitors elections and supports democracy."

-snip

Just months after the Kazakh pact was finalized, Mr. Clinton’s charitable foundation received its own windfall: a $31.3 million donation from Mr. Giustra that had remained a secret until he acknowledged it last month. The gift, combined with Mr. Giustra’s more recent and public pledge to give the William J. Clinton Foundation an additional $100 million, secured Mr. Giustra a place in Mr. Clinton’s inner circle, an exclusive club of wealthy entrepreneurs in which friendship with the former president has its privileges.

LINK:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/31/us/politics/31donor.html
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Phoebe Loosinhouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:45 PM
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15. This makes Hillary's newfound "lunchpail populism" all the more laughable
But it makes very obvious why they are fighting so hard -

It is to preserve the "Clinton" brand.

If she loses, she is just the junior Senator from New York. Bill will have little to no influence in an Obama administration. He will be back to giving talks on the rubber chicken circuit where he belongs.

Talk about devaluation!
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 09:50 PM
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17. I'm sure Bill's been selling the "Hillary Presidency" brand for some time now.
It make's his irrational comments more understandable. He's gonna have a little answering to do to some very powerful people.


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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:20 PM
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19. Nope. That's one big reason the pukes want Hillary as the nominee.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:22 PM
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20. You could never properly vet Bill, because he would never be truthful.
It would only be a matter of time, maybe weeks, until one of Bill's stink bombs would go off and smell the place up. There is no telling what he has done for the money the past seven years.
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