The more she is attacked, the stronger she gets......

So keep it up folks.....Make her cry....that's the ticket...attack her.....

Twist her words....call her a liar.... you all know the drill...

I'll help, there will be No Clinton presidency his time.

The more Obama supporters attack and seethe anger, the more people are driven away from him. Abuse just doesn't sell.

If Obama loses it will be the fault of his 'supporters' who have driven half of the Democratic party AWAY from the Democratic party.

Her stunt today was too much. It's indefensible and no one with any sense of decency would willingly cake themselves in the shit she's now flinging.

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This time...there will be no forgiveness.

8 years ago real Democrats saw that same sickness in Bush supporters.

Its not pretty seeing that blind loyalty in a Democrat.

in 2004!!!

Scary. I hope these people are few in number.

not offensive? And, even more to the point, have you found anything Senator Obama said to be offensive?

I swear, if Senator Clinton sneezes someone on this board will say she sneezed in an offensive, racist way.

What she said today has been, as so many other things with this campaign, twisted and warped beyond recognition. Do you remember that idiotic uproar over the 1992 tape alleged to be referring to "white N***ers", and saying "these people are sh**s"?

Shaheen, the MLK "remark", the Jesse Jackson statement, etc. etc. etc, on and on and on. Manufactured crap! Just like this flap is.

I really, really hope that the people doing phone calling, door knocking, hand shaking, etc. for Senator Obama don't show this kind of animus for Hillary to the people they are trying to bring on board. The ones not as politically minded as those of us that would come to a site like this. Because that would not do much to help.

The Clinton people here at DU, I am quite sure, will join the Obama team once it is official. We are too much "political animal" not to. The uninitiated, however...The ones who think about politics only when they have to, and who may be leaning toward Senator Clinton, may be really turned off by it.

There are things I wish Senator Clinton had not said. "Sniper fire" is one of them. Can you name something..anything..you wish Senator Obama had not said/done?

she gets... that's the way I see it.

My god, by the convention we will be fighting godzilla!!!

Yes, I shortened the title out of a sense of decorum.

Time to get off the pills.

If you really had any true loyalty for your candidate you would email her campaign and tell her to bow out gracefully now before she completely destroys the fine career she has built up over her lifetime.

She is a grown up, she knows what she is doing.

If not, maybe we should ask nicely for one.

First, we got to get Captain Kirk to tell her to believe everything that that he says. Then he needs to say "I am lying to you right now."

She will sputter, smoke, and explode.

It is kaput.

Its not ok to attack Hillary though? Hypocrites

media gets a new toy.

or you forgot :sarcasm:

She can't even come out and admit that her comments were really really really offensive. Her half assed apology just showed how clueless she really is.

Maybe she can turn this into a Hillary is a victim thread but I doubt many people will be buying into that anymore.

all the bullshit is OVER and she did it to herself as usual.

There's nothing remotely "strong" about Hillary or her clown husband.

Give it up ALREADY!!!!!!!

:banghead:

:hi:

the more she counters her campaign's theme that she is the consummate professional whose political experience and know how would prevent her from making similar gaffes in the general election. She is making mistakes that she should not be making, too tone deaf given her "35 years of experience". If a theme of her downfall is also that the media bias harmed her and ultimately not her message or strategic campaign mistakes, then the media bias in the general election would also harm her, because I'm sure that she would make similar fuck ups in the general.

be all for not. The race is over.

weak. And her statement today was stupid and crass, and damaged her badly.

Stronger? She looked like someone swirling down into hell today...

really lost his mind. Politics or no politics, Bill needs to kick his ass.

What a pompous ass*hole.

but I'd most like to kick KO's ass tonight!!!

thats not the only thing you'd do.

about as sick as Keith Olbermann's.

for repeating the comments of YOUR candidate.

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would find some good in it.

opponent being shot.

What she's saying is "I'm so pathetically desperate to be nominated I'm sticking around because my opponent is an N-word and one of my hard working white american supporters who all love guns just like me might take it upon himself to whack him. And I'm such a loser that scenario would be acceptable to me."

Not the words of a strong candidate.

you better send her an email telling her to quit.

dad or all the media flap...

In light of the history of this country and the numerous number of politcal assasinations and attempts, her comments were more than insensitive. Her "apology" wasn not enough.

So keep it up folks.....Breathe in that shit stained air.

It's Clinton time... breathe in her stink...you won't get it off you.

Y'all got the delegates. Obama has 90% of the blacks voting for him. That's enough to take care of McCain in November.

The party doesn't need Hillary or her deluded supporters.

Attack!

"90 % of blacks" is as offensive as it would be for someone to suggest that Hillary's "17 million supporters" are old white women, and very telling of your character...and this is coming from someone who thinks that a lot of charges of racism on other posters (and sexism of course) are overblown much of the time on DU . You just underminded any credibility that you may have had (not that you came off as someone who had much to begin with).

Uh, I also suggested that 17 million voters are old white women? How did I do that? Marginalized the 90% black voters? Huh? How is that?

The way people on this forum board have treated Hillary supporters of all kinds it will be a modern political miracle if any of them support Barack Obama or any candidates riding his coat-tails in the general election.

Underminded? Credibility? I don't want you to believe me. I just want you to be inspired and then to take whatever direction your inspirations will lead you.

Looks and sounds like I have succeeded.

Clinton supporter or not, you know damn right well that her remarks today were irresponsible at best, and your continued retreat into the role of "pitiful victim" is even more laughable.

They can't use them to make up their crazy BULLSHIT stories.

It is VERY Bush-esque.

We're dismayed that Hillary felt it was appropriate to use Bobby Kennedy's assassination in June 1968 as JUSTIFICATION for her staying in the race! How do you NOT see how this was inappropriate?!

She is using the fact that he was still in a PRIMARY race in June of 1968 as a reason.
She is pointing to a point in time in our history that people can relate to.
People are taking this wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy out of proportion.

examples of this kind of situation? Ted Kennedy in 1980, or Mondale in 1984?

Her use of this example, phrased as it was, was absolutely boneheaded, especially in a race that is as racially- and gender-charged as this. Admit it.

I know that she does not want Obama's assassination--no one with a brain in their head should think this. But it is seriously distressing that she would use THIS example above others and not take into account how her remarks would sound to others.

She was trying to point to 2 men who did win?

I think her example was fine.


She's not going to win and the most annoying thing at this point is that she hasn't gotten the fuck out before now- so that shit like this wasn't continuing to go on. Not that it is really her fault that people hate her so much they distort reality to bring her down.

And her remarks are most troubling because I think she should know better than to raise something as terrifying as political assassination so cavalierly in a race that is this tense.

March today. HISTORIAN Douglas Brinkley noted that this evening.

In 1968 Bobby Kennedy didn't even announce for POTUS until March so Hillary's timeline is skewed anyway. But she didn't need to mention assassination PERIOD.

No one is taking this too far. SHE WENT TOO FAR after already showing repeatedly that she is not worthy to be president.

Her REFERENCING of the Kennedy assassination in 1968 was stupid and inappropriate, especially when she had several better examples to choose from.

If Barack Obama went on TV and said, "Hey, there's probably some nut that wants me dead because I'm a black man running for President", that statement is factual too--but it would also be stupid and inappropriate to say and I'd bet dollars to donuts you'd be as pissed as we are right now.

supporters consisted of old white women forces me to clarify. Wouldn't you be offended if someone said "Hillary supporters consisted of old white women"? That's the point I was trying to make .Just as an Obama supporter would be offended by the inference that Obama's coalition consisted of 90% of blacks. Do you understand the point I am trying to make now? You said "Hillary has 17 million supporters. Obama has 90 % of blacks voting for him." I think it is a fair reading that you marginalized his support. And I will not ignore you, because I like the dialogue. If you read my above comment (not the ones you are replying to, but my reply to your original comment), you will see that I don't think that she meant to imply that she was waiting around for his assasination. But I do think that it is legitimate to say that it is tone deaf and runs counter to her message of political savvy. And I will rightly criticize that, if she finds it appropriate to attack him for comments that he has made that have not been so politically savvy.

....because much of that vote was in the southern and other red states which will stay red.

So then, try to follow this, those 17 million Hillary primary voters will be sorely needed by Obama and the Democrats in November or the presidency and at least the Senate may be lost.

All those old white women? You mean like this one......?

old white women will control the fate of America. Nice to know you will be leaving your grand children such a lovely present. Selfish.

Hillary doesn't give a shit about them and they're too stupid to see it.

Hillary cares only about Hillary, that's why she will do and say ANYTHING to win or steal power.

who continue to REFLECT and can "learn new information."

The problem, IMNSHO, is that far too many people become "rigid" in their perspectives as they age. They will NOT permit "new information" to change their strongly held "emotional" opinions to ALTER in any way. As such, all information is process through a "filter."

But PLEASE be aware that there are a few of us approaching 50 y.o., and above, who at least try to stay enlightened and intellectually curious? ;)

You can't even debate the legitimate points that I am trying to make about the larger impact of her remarks, so lets just get back to the "marginalization" debate. Hillary has a coalition that goes above old white women, which is what I am saying. Yes, Obama will need Hillary supporters in the general. Just as Hillary supporters would need Obama supporters in the Fall if she has any chance in hell in November either. And she is slowly fucking the chances of that up by the remarks she is continuing to make as well. You claiming that Hillary supporters have more power or political weight than Obama supporters is wrong.

...relevance, relevance.

Obama is the one with the problems.

http://www.electoral-vote.com /

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Obama/Maps/May23.html

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2008/Clinton/Maps/May23.html

Browse around there. I know, just polls but they do show trends. See all those red states that Obama won in the primaries? They will stay red in the general.

Yes, Hillary support is broader based than Obama's because the 90% black block is scattered over red states that I repeat, will stay red. Sorry, that's a fact.


Her remarks to the editorial board were very brief. Anything can happen between now and the convention. Then she related what happened to her husband and Bobby Kennedy. What legitimate points? Simple facts. Nothing to debate.

Some deep malevolent wish for Obama to be killed? Bullshit!

I had just STATED in my post that I did NOT think that Hillary's statement was some "deep malevolent wish for Obama to be killed". She would have been better off and smarter to just say "We didn't see Reverend Wright coming, or that Obama would make disparaging remarks of an Elitist nature. Anything can happen in a political season, just look over the last couple of months". Her comments to the editorial board may have been brief, but she has repeated the RFK remarks at least four times before. In response to the swing state polls, seeing as how she is running virtually unopposed, with the GOP being her cheerleader instead of taking anything she says seriously, it's stunning that she isn't doing better in the polls of those swing states. When you say "Stop blaming Hillary Clinton for any of this", your weak argument just suggests that your real intent is "stop blaming Hillary Clinton for ANYTHING".

...her analysis of the undependability of the political process is based on enough experience to realize that indeed presumptive nominations to the presidency are seriously flawed based on the changing political landscapes which regrettably include assassinations.

My real intent is what? Don't be silly. I may be wildly in love with her but I would never excuse any serious or dangerous flaws in her character. She just doesn't have any.

"her analysis of the undependability of the political process is based on enough experience to realize that indeed presumptive nominations to the presidency are seriously flawed based on the changing political landscapes which regrettably include assassinations"

I'm not debating that. I just wished she had said that in a more concise and skillful manner. Again, not a demonstration of her character as much as an infortunate display of tone deafness. People are extra sensitive this week, given Ted Kennedy's diagnosis. I understand that Robert Kennedy JR is not offended, but her remarks did not have the sole potential to offend the Kennedy family. I'm not even really offended by them, I just think her use of historical references (Florida=Zimbabwe?) are bizarre and she could use more effective ones.


I respect your opinion, but we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

...just a few seconds and a passing remark that explained that campaigns can take sudden turns and that quitting before everything had been determined and before the convention would be foolish.

I repeat, Hubert Horatio Humphrey never entered a primary in 1968 and he got the nomination because Kennedy had been assassinated. What are we supposed to make of that?

So maybe she could have diminished the impact of whatever assassination conjures up but that editorial board didn't blink at all at her remark because they were attentive to the context.

Maybe we could do the same.

I respect your opinion, but we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.


we are getting nowhere and are obviously not swaying each others opinions whatsoever. I did appreciate the exchange in dialogue however.

More the drive-by paintballer headline gamery. That's no fun at all.

Much like HRC telegraphed in her comments today.

....until the convention picks the nominee.

Between now and then, anything can happen to anyone. I say: anyone!

big woo. Go ahead and bite your nose to spite your face... just another foolish Hillbot

and everything she is attacked for --it's all stuff she says. it would be one thing if she were attacked here for things she didn't say or do, but this is all her doing TOTALLY.

i was feeling 50-50 about her this morning, then after lunch i read these comments and i'm like :wtf: can't she keep it together for a week without saying something so damned stupid?

and I can get rid of my ignore list.

is the hallmark of the GOP.

concerning your candidate.

Your candidate screwed up big time, Hillary supporters--and she even refused to own up to it afterwards.

a "Hillbot"?

Is it perchance anyone who does not agree with you on every little point you make?
Or what, exactly?

She's been edging up to the line for months, and finally crossed it.

She. Is. Done.

- as

after today she's toast.

And BTW, we don't have to twist her words; SHE IS A LIAR.

there might be a reason for that.

It works against the right because, well, they're dog shit. It doesn't work against Obama.

because it just makes it clearer that we need an Obama Presidency come January

Hillothra !!!



Aaaaaahhh!!!

:scared:

....Bobby Kennedy's campaign ended in June, 1968 when he was assassinated.

Two facts that cannot be disputed. They happened in June.

And...why should she drop out before the primaries are all over, i.e. June, 2008, and before all the votes are counted and before all the delegates are selected?

Tell you what I am not OK with....People putting words in her mouth and intent in her head which she never said or thought.

That is both stupid and evil.

Welcome to my Ignore list - a spot you will never lose until you are ts'd. Buh bye.

the madder she gets the stronger she gets? That's a comic book, not real life.

Some really good discussions. Kinda rare for me.

Maybe we will attack here until she becomes so powerful that she explodes!

Great contrast between the two:

One who is stong, principled and forges ahead despite attacks and another who is thin-skinned, insecure and feels the only way to gain and wield power is by negative action - attacking others.

Let's hope the next head she grows has a brain in it.

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