Hillary Clinton brought tears to my eyes this afternoon.

When I heard of her remarks, I actually got tears in my eyes. Not tears of anger or ridicule, which can be expected from her antics lately.

No, tears of sorrow and sadness and heavy-heartedness. That anyone, anyone, would say such a thing is beyond comprehension. I don't think even Rush Limbaugh would say something like that, I really don't.

She didn't say that by accident. She knew exactly what she was doing and exactly what she was saying. She can't apologize it away. Not now, not ever.

She needs to get on her knees and beg forgiveness from the Obamas and the Kennedys. And then she needs to immediately retire - not just from the primary, but from political life in general. She and her husband and child need to withdraw from the limelight and go off and live their pathetic lives without having to force any of us to know anything about them ever again.

Disgusting.

Vile? Abhorrent? Despicable? They just don't seem to be strong enough.

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says one thing

she meant it

and she doesn't give a shit about Obama, his family, the African American community or any of Obama's supporters that have fears for his safety

oh, she meant it

her apology was merely clarification

the truth is contained in what was NOT SAID

that non apology would be dripping with :sarcasm:

It had nothing to do with him.

Calling her Senate offices demading she resigns.

and asking them all to back Obama. He's 56 delegates away from her shutting up for good.

I've always stopped at HRC.

WOW!


I've been pissed. I've been irritated. Today, I have been HORRIFIED and REALLY VERY VERY SCARED FOR OBAMA.

But I haven't cast Hillary, Chelsea, and Bill off to the dustbin of history yet.


I definitely don't think I could tolerate Chelsea being a political candidate in my lifetime, but WOW!

I don't think I will ever view Bill Clinton the same way because he was such an unbelievable ass during this contest.

But all 3, you must be beyond words.

I hope I never see or hear from any of them ever again. I'm beyond beyond.

won't tell her the truth. We don't need that kind of "leader" in our party. Stick a fork in her, she's done. She can forget about 2012 too. It ain't happening.

But something tells me, she will be in this race until the bitter end.

She'll tell him that if an asteroid fell on him from space, that would be okay, too.

they wrench their garments? Thats what I felt like.

I'm still floored by it. It's surreal.

:hurts:

Pitiful. Inexcusable. Vile. :hurts:

then she is so tone deaf she should never be allowed within
a mile of a negotiating table.

If she didn't make a mistake, I am starting to wonder what
really did happen to Vince Foster.

she really feels and believes. There's no way you could "accidently" say that unless you meant it.

As for Foster....yeah, I'm starting to wonder to....

fiction after all!

60's.....she was there...

And in light of Ted Kennedy and his brain tumor diagonosis.....

What the Hell.....?

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You just outed yourself as a reincarnation. Thanks for pointing that out, alert sent!

:hi:

and does penance for the rest of her natural life.

I agree completely.

She's not stupid--had she thought carefully about her words, she could have predicted the reaction, which is in no way good for her.

I used to think that she was an incredibly smart woman. But in the past few months I've realized she's really pretty stupid. How else can you explain the self-sabotage that's gone on in the last six months?

She thought she had it, and, let's be fair, so did plenty of other people. Then the primaries happened, and she ended up behind... but not decisively, just marginally. And with that arrangement, this thing has dragged on for months.

It makes perfect sense, in such circumstances, that she would hold on to an increasingly desperate hope, and act as most people act when they are denying something that just grows clearer and clearer.

She hasn't just been desperate - she's self-destructed. She's been through too much in public and political life for anyone to pretend that she just didn't realize what she's been doing or the consequences of her actions and words.

Undoubtedly she knows she just made a major political error, and regrets it deeply.

But that's precisely the point--because she realizes the consequences of her actions, it makes no sense to pretend that statements like the one she made today were conscious and deliberate.

The only way it could be a "mistake" is if she truly feels that way - and she apparently does, this is not the first racist or hate-based thing she's said - and just didn't mean to say it publicly. The mistake was simply not keeping it to herself.

If you really don't feel or think that way, you wouldn't mistakenly say something like that. It would be impossible to make that kind of error.

it was in saying something not so unreasonable that was bound to be interpreted in a particular way.

:toast:

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/23/213914/479

The faux outrage by the Obamites is really getting out of hand here.

Are you?

Sen kennedy is telling the truth and yet the rage refuses to die....its obvious that people would rather wallow in hate and anger until they get what they want regardless of the victims this anger may gather along the way....


Amazing, far too many for my peace of mind despise what they themselves are guilty of

you mean like sweetie-gate, monster-gate, pastor-gate, bitter-gate? None of those seemed like "faux outrage"? of course not, snapperhead. of course not.

I will continue to say this until he is dealt with by the mods-he was the biggest anti-Hillary poster on this board up until a month ago-using the worst and most derogatory names against Clinton-do a search from January to March DUers

stay in the fucking race.

Astounding really.

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You just get tombstoned?

Some people never learn...

pretender.

little rant at freepers even if they're frozen pizza. :)

..The primary is mostly old news our efforts should be McCain 24/7. Or am I wrong. This is more for Ted and Obama to deal with than us, our job is putting in the work fo rthe WH now.

about HRC's statement. Damn, some you act as though you could pour gasoline over your head getting so worked up over this statement. COMMON DAMN SENSE would dicate what HRC said and there was no harm intended to befall obambi.....

As I said I will take Robert Kenndy Jr.'s words: "I’ve heard her make that argument before,” Mr. Kennedy said, speaking on his cell phone as he drove to the family compound in Hyannis for the holiday weekend. “It sounds like she was invoking a familiar historical circumstance in support of her argument for continuing her campaign.” . . . is support of Mrs. Clinton has not wavered.
More from RFK, Jr.:

I have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husband's 1992 race, both of which were hard fought through June. I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense."

Well - if RFK's namesake is not upset with Hillary and understands what she was trying to say- maybe some of you should CHILL!

Shalom
Ben David

are highly distasteful when used in an analogy to the current campaign.

...not "Obambi".

And just because RFK Jr. has more class than Hillary doesn't excuse her words, nor her behaviour.

So no, I wouldn't say Hillary is below Rush's level.

Fuck her and Bill!

GTFO of the race, the party and the country you filthy slimeballs!:mad:

She used the word "regret" and only spoke of the Kennedys. She's slime.

Her comments and her half-assed non-apology are CLASSIC HILLARY.

Stench combined with a little phoniness on the side. Add pathological lying and self-aggrandizing selfishness to taste.

She was just providing examples of past campaigns that lasted until early summer. It was nothing more than that. She should have used a different example but there was no wrong.

But I can't. If it weren't for the previous comments and antics, I probably could. But it's the cumulation of things that have gotten me so angry and upset.

But thanks for your kind words - there's still a part of me that hopes you're right!

She couldn't find anyone else to reference in three seperate statements?

In part for what she said, but also in part for such a terrible ending to such a promising political career.

She started this campaign as the "inevitable" nominee and now, she's not only toast as a presidential candidate, but she may very likely be done in politics for good. Even though she gave a non-apology apology, she looked very shook up about it all. While I was watching KO's special comment, I was imagining Hillary sitting in a hotel room somewhere suddenly realizing the dream has died.

I am feeling this strange mix of disgust and pity for the woman. I didn't want to see her go down this way. She's capable of so much better. And yet I'm so not surprised.

I was excited for her campaign and respected her. She has fallen so far - I don't even recognize her anymore. And I wonder: was I duped or has she changed that much? I guess in the end it doesn't really matter, but I do wonder.

You're right, though. In the end it doesn't matter. I just can't believe this is going to be her legacy - the thing she'll probably always be remembered for. I know politicians have come back from this kind of faux pas before, but the way she's handled herself lately tells me she's in no mood to do what it will take. I fully expect more petulant, victim mentality and that will not make this better. I suspect that was the cause of the tears in the first place.

It's like knowing your sister is an alcoholic and she's one more bottle of vodka away from living on the street. You can see the situation perfectly. You can see that she can make it right, but her addiction is keeping her from seeing right from wrong. And there just isn't anything you can do about it but watch.

On that sad note, I think I'll head to bed.

If it had been, it still would have been BAD, but it wouldn't be as bad. But, there are so many other things that have been said and done (as well as this very comment made twice before) that she'll never be able to bounce back. This will not only be her legacy, but it will greatly affect her husband's legacy too. It is sad.

I still think if she had her head in the game and a proper frame of mind about it, she could go a long way toward fixing this. By fixing it, I mean making it so that after a few years it isn't the first thing we think about when we hear her name. There are a lot of things she could do to redeem herself in the eyes of the public. But she doesn't have that proper frame of mind necessary to begin that redemption.

You're right. History won't paint the Clintons well.

And as I edited to say in my last post, I'll take that sad thought to bed with me.

--that appeared on the Nightline interview. I like to think that is the real person under all those "handled by consultants" layers. I wish she would go back to being that person.

I'm frustrated that this primary ever got this dirty. It didn't have to be this way, and I feel really bad that it is going to end like this.

Lately, she has been referring to Obama as "my opponent".

Tonight, she didn't mention his name or his family at all in her explanation.

Detachment.

She needs to apologize to all of us who are old enough to remember what we lost that day, the last day that this party was a liberal organization. Because after that, it's been a long coast to the right with all that has meant concretely for our people. It wasn't only the loss of one man, even that man, but losing a way of life and for forty years.

You're absolutely right - this wasn't just an affront to the Obamas and the Kennedys - it was an affront to all Americans, especially those who lived through those horrific days.

I used to be crazy about Bill, and admired his intelligence etc etc etc.

I liked Hillary ok, but wanted a candidate who didn't vote for the war.
Also, I didn't like the dynasty thing, we needed change and this was like monarchy.

But this campaign has been an eye opener and it has been flat out awful.

I wish they had stuck with Bill retired and Hillary in the Senate - except that
I still hold her war vote against her. She's too smart to not know what would happen.

Hellary said almost the same thing in a March 6 interview with time magazine. It isnt an innocent mistake. Politicians careers begin and end with words. This must stop on her part. She should crawl back to whatever state of the month she is from. Just go away woman!

If you don't see what the outcry is about, you have gone completely off the rails of decency.

:hi:

Get a clue! Look at the context of what Hillary actually said and why she was saying it!

The Obama nuts on DU are starting to look dumber than a bunch of rocks! :eyes:

it's not a stone to pound the shit out of anyone who doesn't live up to your "standards".