Dean: Bush doing a fine job on the war on terrorism....

From an interview with Howard Dean

Q: Rate President Bush.

A: He's doing a fine job on the war on terrorism.


http://www.gaypasg.org/Press%20Clippings/July%202002/Is%20It%202004%20Yet.htm

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I'm just pointing out to those people that think Clark's praising Bush was unique to Clark. It's not.

I also want to show a few people that ANYBODY that can find ANYTHING out there on the internet and present it here as if it's really important. Others do it against Clark all the time.

Cmon you guys - think of what all CLARK has said since that time we could go off on and I dont because we arent running against Clark.

You kind of forgot how much has HAPPENED since then.

But many of you unfortunately are running AGAINST Dean.

Tell me how this helps ANY of us within the Party.

Seriously, please list ways in which attacking Dean helps unify our party.

This is so bad for the Party Dookus. I cant believe that this doesnt concern more Democrats.

Please realize you dont help ANY Democrats by attacking other Democrats!!!!

to your friends who find nothing wrong with scouring the web to find anti-Clark articles and bringing them here.

I won't play by any double-standard that says it's OK for Dean supporters, but nobody else.

LOL....Not only does dean praise bush AND cheney, but he also gives light into who he would most like his VP to be like. This just made my day, Thank You, Thank You, Thank You!

Clark: I won't be deans Cheney! LOL


” JAFO”

Candidates'. Gore sez so. You have to stick to the last one and don't touch the older eggs.


Now, about Clark's voting record 20 years ago....

and acting like it was a post-Iraq statement is desperate and dishonest.


It is not the amount of time which has passed which makes the difference as much as it is the circumstances which have changed within that time, namely the invasion of Iraq.


Rather like taking a doctor's diagnosis of a patient from two years ago when they were healthy, and acting like it was said currently, ignoring that the patient got hit by a truck last week.


Now what circumstances have changed regarding Reagan's time in office since 2001 when Clark said he was an example of a truly great leader?

that article about dean having a doctor's personality is still sticking with me.

The Battle of Tora Bora had just happened.

Here's a July 2002 response to Russert on MTP...

"...MR. RUSSERT: Do you believe the military operation in Afghanistan has been successful?

GOV. DEAN: Yes, I do, and I support the president in that military operation.

MR. RUSSERT: The battle of Tora Bora was successful?

GOV. DEAN: I’ve seen others criticize the president. I think it’s very easy to second-guess the commander-in-chief at a time of war. I don’t choose to engage in doing that...."

Gee... the context of the question and answer are just a tad important, huh?

in the winter and the Pentagon was trying to keep it quiet. Some military brass got the real info to Kerry because they were mad about the cover up of the failure.

Dean knew it well by then because he was already on the campaign trail and dogging Kerry. No way could he have missed Kerry's attacks on Bush on this. No way could he have truly believed that Bush had a successful strategy on this. But his agenda was to take Kerry down, not Bush.

But I am really proud of pretty much all of our candidates, certainly all the candidates that have a chance. I like Clark, I like Dean, I like Kerry, I like Edwards, I like Gephardt (sort of), I like Lieberman (sort of), I like Kucinich.

I mean they have problems, being human beings, but they are all pretty good.

I do understand that if you are a Dean supporter or a Clark Support or whatever, it's natural to try and tear down the other candidates; I don't hold it against you--just wanted to express my opinion.

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this was the first thread I've ever started with the word Dean in the title, as I recall. If I'm wrong, it was a thread quoting poll results.

I'm just tired of some people thinking that only Clark can be the subject of drive-by's as a result of finding something negative on the internet.

you are always whining about, would it?

Shall we discuss Wesley's love fest with the bush administration now?

that's why all the bashing threads stink, including yours.

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didn't say I didn't read them...just said they all suck.

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you give proper respect to a military hero who has served his country with distinction.

Deal?

You have nothing new. Nothing fresh. Broken record.

Just like this thread.

that's exactly what it is.

And go ahead and discuss Clark. My original post shows that your guy is no cleaner on the subject.

the bigger point, though, is that it's not even a REAL subject. Yet your crowd keeps bringing it up as if it is. So if you want to do that, I can demonstrate that Dean has praised Bush, too.

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I've just begun. LOL.

see post 1.
It's less of a bash than a defense to the "Clark praised Bush" smear that people like you bring up so often.
If he wanted to bash, he would've included Dean's Cheney as "incredibly competent," "model VP" quote.

you have it right. That's exactly what it is. I want everybody here to be aware of it so we can use it (cut and paste if you like) every time somebody brings up the "Clark praised Bush" argument.

And yes, if I REALLY wanted to bash, I would've used his Cheney quote from the same interview.

and while you're at it, sfecap, can you explain WHY Dean thinks Bush is doing a "fine job" on the war on the terrorism? Do his supporters agree with his assessment?

...as soon as you give me an explanation of why a so called Democrat speaks at republican fund raisers.

And while you are at it...maybe you can fill me in on Wes's friendship with some of the most scurrilous neocons in Washington.

start a thread on it if you like. This thread is about Dean's comments. Can you explain them?

Democrat. The Cato Institute is worse than regular Republicans , it's a neocon thinktank.

Why should not supporters of other candidates do the same for your candidate- in addition to pointing out all the new stuff that he says.

Again, every time Dean (or his supporters) criticize Bush or another Dem for doing something, similar behavior by Dean is brought to light.

Sorry to burst your bubble

"By DAVID WALLIS, NYTimes on the Web, July 14, 2002"

Anyone else want to post a "Dean supporters will ignore this, LOL!" message?

You're right. I misread the year. I apologize. If I can edit my posts, I will.

but doesn't contradict the theme of the post, because Clark's praise that you guys bring up every minute was also before the war

but Dean defended Bush while Kerry was attacking his failure that allowed Al Qaeda and Bin Laden to escape. Too bad Dean was propping up Bush and perpetuating the idea that Bush was a good commander-in-chief. This was BEFORE Dean went after the left vote.


 MR. RUSSERT: Do you believe the military operation in Afghanistan has been successful?
       
       GOV. DEAN: Yes, I do, and I support the president in that military operation.
       
       MR. RUSSERT: The battle of Tora Bora was successful?
       
       GOV. DEAN: I’ve seen others criticize the president. I think it’s very easy to second-guess the
       commander-in-chief at a time of war. I don’t choose to engage in doing that.

These days Dr. Dean has to answer questions on why he's critcizes Bush more than he does the enemies of America.

heh.

Decades of documented evidence isn't enough for him. Of course, it was enough to go to war with a country back in 91, but not enough to say he's guilty today.

it makes you appear to not give a damn about our justice system and the rule of law,not an avenue I suspect you want to travel.

bush's war on terror policy the MOST!

You people ain't seen nothing yet.

outraged. Thats all Dean say's night and day ...day and night. Clark on the otherhand......delcared he was no longer a republican supporter in September 02 when he decided to become a democrat and run for President...



http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/939512/posts

<snip>

HANNITY: Yes, and you would not run as a Republican under any circumstances you can think of?

CLARK: I haven't said that.

HANNITY: Would you?

CLARK: I just haven't said that. I just haven't crossed that bridge. So I'm not going to cross it.

HANNITY: Have you ever voted for a Republican in your life?

CLARK: Absolutely.

HANNITY: Are there Republicans now that you admire that you would tell us about?

CLARK: Well, I served in the Ford administration. I was a White House fellow. I worked for Paul O'Neill and Jim Lann in the Office of Management and Budget.

...........

I'll vote Clark for sure.

Bush is doing a fine job on the war on terrorism? Do you agree with him?

...we "still need them there"?

"During extended remarks delivered at the Pulaski County GOP Lincoln Day Dinner in Little Rock, Arkansas on May 11, 2001, General Clark declared: 'And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office, men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice... people I know very well - our president George W. Bush. We need them there.'"

Clark praises United States President George Bush with these words:

"President George Bush had the courage and the vision... and we will always be grateful to President George Bush for that tremendous leadership and statesmanship."


Gee...sounds like a true Democrat to me.

Oh, waitaminit....he must have still been a republican then, he only became a Democrat after Rove turned him away. Poor Wesley, the rethugs didn't want him. What a crushing blow that must have been.

You're free to start a thread on it. This one is about Dean's comment.

Will you answer?

running!

But of course, you are about style over substance, or else your political choices may have been different.

I never heard of the site for one and I can't find your position statement by Dean.


It's news to me. Is it national? I certainly doubt it. I sense this is just another loose lipped flame bait post.

I'm baking oatmeal cookies right now. I suggest you do your research before you post. Trust me, many of us have. I'm not doing your work for you. Build your own credibility. And good luck with your learning posture....

Is that your answer?

Your link did not produce a valid statement or editorial. The post is of tabloid grade pending validation.

Need a valid link to the statement which appears to be out of context of another question.....

Again....please do your homework before posting flame bait.

I don't know what you're implying.

it's a link to an interview with Dean.

If it's your assertion that the quote is falsified, just say so.

here's some more "homework"

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30812FA3E540C778DDDAE0894DA404482

go to this link at the NY Times and buy the article and see for yourself.

What a desperate attempt to argue back.

in Afghanastan. That was when the quotation was taken, and at that time Bush hadn't switched from Afghanastan to Iraq. At that point in time, Dean agreed with Bush's actions. The problem is that you are trying to take his quotes back then and apply them now. That is dishonest, and you know it.

that Bush was doing a good job on the war on terror?

So far nobody's answered this question. I've asked it repeatedly. Do you agree with Dean's assessment?

The comments that keep being brought up to point out that Clark was supposedly "praising" Bush and his team were made in regard to THAT war. In case you missed it, that IS the point of this post.

And why not post the whole answer?


Rate President Bush.

He's doing a fine job on the war on terrorism. I think he gets an F on domestic policy. I think the tax cut is irresponsible. His welfare proposal takes power away from the states and centralizes it in the federal government, as does his education bill. And he's done nothing on health care. So I find no redeeming social value in the president's domestic agenda.


This is the only way folks can attack Dean... take one line out of an answer or 4 word out of a line and misrepresent the meaning.

Can you explain if Dean believes Bush is doing a good job on the war on terrorism? Do you agree with him?

Manipulation of the written word for self-serving purposes.
If Dean is such a threat to your Clark camp......You may need to do some research with validity.

You keep making some accusation that I'm not quite clear about.

Do you doubt that he said it?

http://www.themaneater.com/story.cgi?id=13730


That was from July 2002, well before Iraq, so it is rather misleading to act like it is a statement about Bush's CURRENT policy being just fine.


So not only is this a pre-Iraq quote being presented as if Dean said it recently, only one line has been presented to make it sound as if the response was far more complementary than it was.


He's doing a fine job on the war on terrorism. I think he gets an F on domestic policy. I think the tax cut is irresponsible. His welfare proposal takes power away from the states and centralizes it in the federal government, as does his education bill. And he's done nothing on health care. So I find no redeeming social value in the president's domestic agenda.

it just sticks around to bullshit another day.

agree that Bush is doing a fine job on the war on terror?

Do you still beat your wife?

criticizing...See the MTP clip I posted.

grasping at straws is all they can do right now.

than "Clark voted for republicans".

this happened a year and a half ago. Clark voted for a republican president almost 16 years ago.

Is it OK to praise bush and not praise bush?

The argument I hear most against Clark is: "I could never support a candidate that would praise bush and the neo-cons"

I'm not saying that you are saying this, especially since dean praised two such neo-cons and you seem to accept this praise by dean, I'm mearly asking because you made reference to a date and I was wondering if you had some sort of time limit on bush praise in mind.

Just how long after dean praised bush and cheney was it before it was not OK with you to praise these men?


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Unless you agree with the bushshites that the war on terrorism and the war on Iraq are one and the same. I don't think Dean was saying that, why? Because the war against Iraq was just a gleam in bushies eye! I agree with Deans statement that as cINc bushie did a good job destroying that "stone age" country Afganistan. I could have done the same as CINC. But as Dean did later I would also ask, "HEY george!, Where's usama?"

Dean, July 2002:
Russert plays clips of Gore and Kerry criticizing Bush on military strategy:
 MR. RUSSERT: Do you believe the military operation in Afghanistan has been successful?
       
       GOV. DEAN: Yes, I do, and I support the president in that military operation.
       
       MR. RUSSERT: The battle of Tora Bora was successful?
       
       GOV. DEAN: I’ve seen others criticize the president. I think it’s very easy to second-guess the
       commander-in-chief at a time of war. I don’t choose to engage in doing that.

back during the war in Afghanistan, Dean was holding back and not attacking Bush... and did not attack Bush until Bush really started fucking up and going after Iraq at the expense of the war on terror?

Where's the problem?

Are you saying Dean should have been attacking Bush over Iraq, before Bush changed focus to Iraq?

Or that Dean should have been attacking non-stop with no regard to the actual situation?

and Dean sided with Bush saying it was a successful mission.

Was he saying that because he BELIEVED Bush succeeded there or was he saying it because he thought it would benefit him politically to NOT agree with Kerry who was telling the truth about Tora Bora?

I'm saying the people who cream their jeans over Clark saying something decent about the Bush administration should realize that they're susceptible to the same kind of stupid smear.

The one Cark didn't have the courage to attend.

my new slogan

Oops, sorry - that's Vermont.

For this week, anyway. :)

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MEET THE PRESS

Dean has said this a few times, and its true. George Bush may in many ways be a good guy, but does that mean he can lead a nation?

Someone may be likeable but that doesnt mean they are qualified to perform a job.

Irrelevant point and quote.

So George, how do you feel about your mom and dad?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1033904,00.html
Psychologist Oliver James analyses the behaviour of the American
president

General Clark is in the 6th frame.

Here's the link: http://www.markfiore.com/animation/dissent.html

when I do research, I look for references and resources and such.

The page you link to doesn't use any of those little "" marks we use to designate direct quotes, nor does it provide any links or references to sources.

I avoid using uninformed internt chatter to inform me.

It's an interview. You can read the question. You can read the answer. It's not customary to put everything in quotes when it's a transcript of an interview.

Or... if you'd like to spend the money, go to the NYTimes archives and find it yourself at http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30812FA3E540C778DDDAE0894DA404482

It cracks me up that accusing the quote of being a lie is the best argument against it that's been used here.

in any internet chatter about the war in 2002, and believe ne, I was quite plugged in.

At this time 83% of Americans approved of the way Bush was handling the war on terror.

http://pollingreport.com/terror3.htm

But nice try.

A couple of people in this thread who have posted the Clark quotes on occasion are tap dancing now.

What Dean said less than two years ago is old news, but how Clark voted in 1972 is the defining issue of the campaign.

You're right--not even Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire could dance like this!

Everything they condemn Bush and other Dems for doing we find out Howard has done, too.

Secret energy meetings
Corporate tax breaks for his Vermont buddies
Lax nuclear security
sealed records
Poor environmental record
...now (more) praise from him for Bush.

#82

Additionally, what *issues* did you have with Bush's 'war on terra' at that time?

Who would be your model as a vice president?
Dick Cheney. It sounds like an odd thing to say because I don't agree with almost anything he says, but he's incredibly competent.

It's the hypocrisy stupid!


” JAFO”

:) Dick Cheney?????? LOL!!!!!!!!

They were right! HAHAHAHAHAHA

Will Clark get accused of stealing dean's lines now?

This is oh so good.


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