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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:10 PM
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RFK Jr's remarks on Hillary's comments:

“I’ve heard her make that argument before,” Mr. Kennedy said, speaking on his cell phone as he drove to the family compound in Hyannis for the holiday weekend. “It sounds like she was invoking a familiar historical circumstance in support of her argument for continuing her campaign.” . . . is support of Mrs. Clinton has not wavered.
More from RFK, Jr.:

I have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husband's 1992 race, both of which were hard fought through June. I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense."


http://www.talkleft.com/story/2008/5/23/213914/479

Well - if RFK's namesake is not upset with Hillary and understands what she was trying to say- maybe some of you should take a cold shower and cool off for awhile.
That includes you, Keithy.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:11 PM
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1. he wants her Senate seat.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:13 PM
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9. It'll be his if he goes for it
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:24 PM
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39. not necessarily his previous arrest has left a cloud and his brazen
endorsement of Clinton and at the same time publicly saying he wants the seat has caused damage.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:30 PM
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49. i don't recall rfk jr ever being arrested - what happened?
Edited on Fri May-23-08 10:31 PM by eleny
edit: i found a link. the heroin possession. thanks.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:32 PM
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52. Its why he was unable to go into politics and had to go into non profits
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F_Kennedy_Jr


In 1983, he was arrested in a Rapid City South Dakota Airport for heroin possession. A search of his carry-on bag uncovered 183 milligrams of the drug.<3> Upon entering a plea of guilty, Kennedy, then 30 years old, was sentenced to two years probation, periodic tests for drug use, treatment by joining Narcotics Anonymous, and 1,500 hours of community service by Presiding Judge Marshall P. Young.<4>

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OnceUponTimeOnTheNet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:59 PM
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65. More laundry needing washing I wish I'd never seen.
This is how I'll remember Hillary's campaign.

Dirty Laundry~
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkuziQxhMtE
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:00 AM
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87. You mean....gulp....
the Kennedys have a troubled history?
You mean they are not all saints?
They are actually human and therefore come with flaws?
They have DIFFERENT opinions on some things?
Have you told the children?
Does Obama know?
Alert the fan base.

In other words: SO WHAT? What is your point?
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ladeyday Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:26 AM
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72. hadn't thought about that as basis of his support...
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:11 PM
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2. And why do we need to know this? Has she apologized to Obama yet?
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:15 PM
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11. Why? She never said anything about Obama being assassinated - unlike his wife did.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #11
13. wow I did not expect you to go there. How sad..
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:19 PM
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Hate to tell you, it's floating around the internets today.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:25 PM
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40. She made those comments a long time ago and I already knew about them
Edited on Fri May-23-08 10:26 PM by thewiseguy
But I hate to tell you that you have become pretty sad by bringing up something that has no relevance to what Hillary said today by trying to state why she was not dropping out.

While you completely took Hillary's words out of context and implied that somehow Hillary did not mean what she said, on the other hand you suggested that Michelle Obama has publicly discussed Obama getting assasinated.

You are very pathetic. :thumbsdown:
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:17 PM
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18. Can you describe what is on that video?
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:20 PM
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29. Are you unable to watch it?
MO says she worries about Obama's safety.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:17 AM
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79. As well she should as should anyone running for that office...
there are too many crazys running free these days...but I honestly believe he is being protected and nothing will happen to him but to be honest, I am not as sure about Hillarys' safety..the anger is at a cresendo I have never witnessed towards her, I hope she remains safe as well.
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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:53 AM
Response to Reply #29
82. Yes she does, and Hillary knew that when she planned this response.
It's a dig at them ...no other way around it.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:22 PM
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33. Michelle was asked...
If she did not want Obama to run for president, fearing for his safety. Michelle replied by saying she does not lose sleep over it. Because the realities are that as a black man Barack can get shot by going to the gas stations. You can not make decisions based on fear or what can happen. We were just not raised that way.

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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:21 PM
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32. That's not at all what she said, but that's truly sad you use this to defend...
Hillary's comments. Michelle clearly said that as a black man, Barrack could get killed pumping gas. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but we normally don't call it an assassination every time a black man gets killed pumping gas. This would be a murder, not an assassination. There was no "Kill the potential president" thing going on there. But you already know that.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:27 PM
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44. And Hillary never mentioned Obama in her unfortunate comment.
It is people like yourself that are injecting that into what she said.

God forbid Obama ever mispeaks.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:30 PM
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50. Hillary was asked why she was not dropping out and she brought up Kennedy's assasination
Your sad attempts to excuse her comments are making things worse.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:37 PM
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55. As a horrible example of other primaries that have gone into June.
You must think that I think what she said was okay.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:46 PM
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62. She did not bring up RFK in the context of primaries.
She said that RFK was assasinated in June. And by the way primaries did start later in the year back in the day.
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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:54 AM
Response to Reply #55
83. Why use the word assination then?
Many other primaries have went into June besides that one.
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:01 PM
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66. UMMM who could she be talking about last I heard this race has been
hard fought by her and Obama????????
Oh my mistake she has been campaigning against McCain for the last 15 months.
Oh and by the way she owes McCain an apology too. Not that it would mean much considering her limp dick apology earlier today. Also considering she has lived with Secret service since 1992 she should know better.

I think she forgot their mission is to protect her from assassination attempts. SHE THOUGHT THEY WE THERE TO PUMP HER GAS!!!
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ladeyday Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #44
73. Oh, Obama mispeaks
and he addresses it. PLUS, it takes weeks for him to live it down ("bitter")
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:34 PM
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53. Actually, the video you show does not have her saying that either.
She is talking about violence that befalls black men in this country. She said "as a black man he could get shot at a gas station". That was just a general statement, not about him running for president.

And, Pirhana -- I'm in Georgia. Really scary people live here. Obama didn't get Secret Service so early on for nothing.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:31 AM
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74. On that video she was asked if she was worried about an assassination
attempt Since Colin Powell's wife was concerned. She answered the question. Hillary was leaving that question wide open for anyone to draw their own conclusion. You see the conclusion the media drew. It was fairly obvious.
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Traction311 Donating Member (229 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:03 AM
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78. Mrs. Obama: "As a black man, Barack can get shot going to the gas station."
Wow, comments like that won't help him with white votes.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:11 PM
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3. He wants her Senate seat
The idea of power does strange things to people.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:12 PM
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4. You're condoning and excusing her comments?
Really? Are you?
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:16 PM
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15. These are RFK, Jr's comments, not mine.
I could've sworn I posted that in my OP.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:23 PM
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35. Don't sidestep the question. You know exactly what I'm referring to - so answer - are you?
Edited on Fri May-23-08 10:23 PM by AZBlue
Are you excusing and condoning her comments?
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gabby garcia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:23 PM
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36. so then you don't agree
thanks!
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:18 PM
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21. She actually did much worse in post 11
Then she has the nerve to come out and say I am not sure why I can not warm up to Obama. Sad and delusional people like her are better off not warming up to Obama.

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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:25 PM
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41. Her supporters' excusing her behavior is almost as bad as that very behavior.
I have a feeling my Ignore list is going to grow a bit tonight.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:40 PM
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59. Show me where I made an excuse for her?
Please stop trying to put words in my mouth.

And you know what - my feelings won't be hurt if you put me on ignore.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:51 PM
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64. You obviously don't have feelings to hurt.
Or a conscience.
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BostonMa Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:49 PM
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63. Are you going to start crying again?
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Windy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:13 PM
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5. note that he draws attention to the fact that she has said this several times before
“I’ve heard her make that argument before”

That doesn't help her. I think he is trying to simply stay above the fray. He wants her senate seat if she gets the top or vp spot... As he brought up her continual reference to this, I don't really think he appreciates it.


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grassfed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:13 PM
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6. some things are too close to home to fully respond to publicly
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TimesNY Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:13 PM
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7. Maybe you should be taught a course in how crass both you and RFK2 sound
It's NOT about you, and it's NOT about RFK2............

Sorry if you are having a problem understanding that.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:13 PM
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8. This is like when Charlie Rangle tried to smooth over her "Hard-working white people" comment
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Jeff In Milwaukee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:14 PM
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10. It's really not the point...
The Kennedy Family aside, Hillary basically stated that she's remaining in the race on the off chance that, say, somebody whack job goes out and assassinates Obama. Because anything is possible, right?

It was tasteless beyond belief, regardless of any direct or indirect reference to RFK. As somebody pointed out in another thread, the irony is that this kind of gaffe (but on Obama's part) was precisely what the Clinton Team was hoping for.

Oops.
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:15 PM
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12. What else could he say? He doesn't want the democratic party
divided, but she DOES!
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:15 PM
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14. Yes she did mention assassination several times before. Shame on her. nt
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tranche Donating Member (913 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:16 PM
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16. It's not his call.
Nice try though.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:16 PM
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17. Some have no desire to, hating and raging seems more fufilling...
I'm shaking my head, pot meet kettle....
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:18 PM
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19. Big Clinton supporter excuses Clinton? Shocking!
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:18 PM
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while i take his thoughts on the matter into consideration,
Edited on Fri May-23-08 10:22 PM by beezlebum
it does not remove what she has done here. and it's not JUST about the kenendy's- although i do believe RFK Jr is merely trying to stay above the fray.

she did not just invoke bobby kennedy's convention fight to justify her "taking it to the convention."

by bringing such a shocking event as assassination up in this discussion, she seemed to imply that she might be staying in the race just in case something happens to obama.

and keith was right on.

edit to add: good luck an' all that- i don't think she's going to get away with this one, no matter who nods, winks, shrugs, or brushes it off.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:18 PM
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20. If it's not his son's call then whom is it to make? I agree with HRC's
later statement and I sure agree with Robert Kennedy Jr..

"I’ve heard her make that argument before,” Mr. Kennedy said, speaking on his cell phone as he drove to the family compound in Hyannis for the holiday weekend. “It sounds like she was invoking a familiar historical circumstance in support of her argument for continuing her campaign.” . . . is support of Mrs. Clinton has not wavered.
More from RFK, Jr.:

I have heard her make this reference before, also citing her husband's 1992 race, both of which were hard fought through June. I understand how highly charged the atmosphere is, but I think it is a mistake for people to take offense."

Well - if RFK's namesake is not upset with Hillary and understands what she was trying to say- maybe some of you should take a cold shower and cool off for awhile.

Shalom
Ben David
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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:59 AM
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85. How about Ted Kenndy, his family and the Obama family?
She used Ted Kennedy as an excuse of why this prepared response just rolled off her tongue. (Even though she said it in March as well)

How about needling the Obama family with the thoughts of assination? Just a little dig she can do in public.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:18 PM
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22. IMO, RFK, Jr. is employing psychological defense mechanisms ...
of "Repression" and "Intellectualization." RFK, Jr. is NOT READY to permit himself to believe that HRC is THAT conniving. It's what we all do (even highly intelligent people like RFK, Jr.) from time to time: employ psychological defense mechanisms. However, with time, he will distance himself from her. Many of HRCs staunch supporters WILL NOT process the facts and fall-out of her deplorable behavior.

I understand because I didn't want to believe it either. No joke, I adored HRC during the 1990s. I lived in the Officer Housing section of a military base and constantly defended HRC against the most VILE attacks. When we would drive by the WH, I'd quip to my toddler daughter, "Look honey, that's where the President lives with her husband 'Bill.'"

BUT after researching their past behavior, I have to conclude that the Clintons are, in the least "bigots," in that, they've played WEDGE politics during their entire political career.

Please TRY to process the fact that Bill and Hillary Clinton are NOT people of sound moral character?

NO, we should not hate the Clintons, but it's time for our beloved country to MOVE BEYOND the politics of division.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:19 PM
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23. I don't think he'll need her to become pres or vp to get her senate seat
If she loses I/m guessing she will quit the senate before her current term ends. She never had any intention of seeing it through because it was assumed by everyone that she'd stroll into the WH next January.

I doubt that she can deal with reality.
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:19 PM
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24. This latest attack on Hillary is nothing short of evil
I'm so glad to hear RFK JR's voice of reason on the matter.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:21 PM
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30. OMG! In your desperate attempts to "change the subject" you even shamelessly evoke EVIL.
How GOP of you ... da EVIL-DOERS? :crazy:
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DemGa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:24 PM
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38. Yes, it's horrible, but warranted
Look what Hillary's being accused of - it's disgusting what they've done.
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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:19 AM
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70. You're right, what they are doing to her is evil. Barack Obama has brought out the worst in America
eom
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ladeyday Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:38 AM
Response to Reply #70
75. So, now, HRC's "mispeaks"
and it's Obama's fault!!!!!! WOW; you need to go and work for her. They can use you. You sound SO Hillarylike...............
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:19 PM
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25. RFKjr will make a great senator.
Hillary's political career is over.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:19 PM
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26. What's with the stupid logic? Hillary isn't running against RFK, Jr.
Edited on Fri May-23-08 10:20 PM by ProSense
Her assassination comment wasn't directed at him. She cited it as a reason to continue her campaign against Obama.

Has RFK Jr. criticized Hillary for anything? Ayers? Race baiting? Zimbabwe?



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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:23 PM
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34. Thank you!
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:20 PM
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27. Clinton campaign damage control
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:20 PM
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28. I respect RFK Jr. and I respect his desire to stay above the fray.
At this point he could say no different.

He does not want to divide this party or stir up any additional divisions or ill-will towards a Democratic presidential candidate and current Democratic Senator.

The Obama campaign has also expressed similar sentiments.

They have shown more class and goodwill than either Bill or Hillary Clinton.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:23 PM
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37. If Robert Jr wasn't offended by her comments, and the Obama camp wasn't offended by these comments
then why are people trying to make something out of this?

Do you really think that Obama will never mispeak?
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:26 PM
Response to Reply #37
43. Yea, and IF wishes were horses,
beggars would ride.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:28 PM
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45. because they know it's too damaging.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:37 PM
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57. They offended *me*
The comments offended me, as a person of color who is terribly afraid for Obama's life and remembers the news of the death threats he received the day after his announcement in Springfield.

The comments offended me, as the daughter of someone who, along with Malcolm X, broke with the NOI and lived through his assassination.

The comments offended me, as an American who realizes there are some lunatics out there who will use anything as an excuse to enact twisted desires.

I'd prefer it if our politicians, especially Democratic ones, didn't give such lunatics ammunition.

Obama has misspoken and will misspeak in the future. But never about the murder of a beloved fellow politician.

If there was nothing offensive about the comments, Hillary wouldn't have tried to apologize for them.
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Joanie Baloney Donating Member (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:11 AM
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69. Hear, hear!
That was a lovely, heart-felt personal explanation of how HRC's "perhaps" ham-handed remarks affected you, Tatiana. Thank you for sharing your thoughts so eloquently!

That should be the final whack of the axe to bring down the Hillary-Redwood.



-JB
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:39 PM
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58. According to the NYT, the Obama campaign is FURIOUS privately.
But they're smart enough to say little publicly.
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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:06 AM
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88. He will and he has.
But he also had the dignity to apologize when needed. She owes his family a apology as well and that was purposely left out.
She knows exactly what she is doing. So she mispoke on this in March as well? word for word?

Don't try to treat me like I am dumb and stupid. These campaigns go out and do the same speech at most every stop, they are very well rehearsed to be used if needed. This is not something that she came up with when asked otherwise it would not have been said before. Now she comes out and lies and blames it on Kennedy's illness? She and everyone buying into this bullshit are disgusting. That you actually think you have to swallow everything a person does to support them is ridiculous. Do you agree with 100% of everything your spouse or loved ones say? No... have some courage of your own to say they make mistakes.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:21 PM
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31. In the real world this logical fallacy is called "appeal to authority." His opinion is just that -
his opinion. It constitutes nothing close to a "final word" on the matter, and your employment of this particularly turgid logical fallacy is simply laughable.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:25 PM
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42. This is coming from RFK JR - go ahead and laugh at him if it makes you feel better.
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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:28 PM
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psssssssssssst...no one is laughing at JFK Jr.
A reread of the post might be necessary
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:31 PM
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51. You don't read so good, do you? n/t.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:35 PM
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54. I post Robert Jr's comments, and you think that is laughable.
They weren't my comments. :shrug:

Other than the word 'unfortunate' I haven't even made my feelings known on what she said.
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:37 PM
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56. No, I think YOU are laughable, or rather, your attempt to employ a logical fallacy to shut everyone
up, and get the subject off the front page. And I'm telling you it is a laughable tactic based upon a silly logical fallacy. Learn to read, or decipher words with phonics, or something...

:eyes:
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:45 PM
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67. About that cold shower I mentioned in my OP -
Maybe you should try it.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:51 PM
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68. Technically, this is not appeal to authority.
It is appeal to someone directly involved in the situation. There's a difference.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:28 PM
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46. K&R
Obama supporters NEED and WANT to take offense. So what if RFK's son is not offended. To hell with that. :sarcasm: As for Keithy - he just needs to go to hell. Straight to hell.
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beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:29 PM
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47. He is a Clinton supporter. And honestly, it is the Obamas who are owed an apology.
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:29 PM
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48. The public at large has no obligation to agree with one biased individual.
Edited on Fri May-23-08 10:30 PM by tabasco
What a stupid post.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:46 AM
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76. Or with biased O supporters.
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:42 PM
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60. 1992: No "hard fought" battle through June for Bill Clinton. In March he was viewed as having
a virtual lock on the nomination:

March 20, 1992
THE 1992 CAMPAIGN: Primaries; TSONGAS ABANDONS CAMPAIGN, LEAVING CLINTON A CLEAR PATH TOWARD SHOWDOWN WITH BUSH
By ROBIN TONER,

Former Senator Paul E. Tsongas of Massachusetts withdrew from the race for the Democratic Presidential nomination today, a decision that many in his party said all but insured the selection of Gov. Bill Clinton of Arkansas.

Mr. Tsongas announced his departure at a news conference in Boston, where he said his campaign did not have enough money to continue. His move leaves only former Gov. Edmund G. Brown Jr. of California to compete with Mr. Clinton in the remaining primaries and caucuses in 21 states.

Without adequate money to win, Mr. Tsongas said, "the alternative was to play the role of spoiler." 'That Is Not Worthy'

"That is not what I'm about," he continued. "That is not worthy. I did not survive my ordeals in order to be the agent of the re-election of George Bush." < Excerpts, page A14. >

Mr. Clinton is already close to the halfway mark in the number of delegates needed to win the nomination and has a 7-to-1 edge over Mr. Brown, who is running a maverick, anti-establishment campaign. Many Democrats said that barring an unexpected collapse by Mr. Clinton's campaign, it is difficult to see how Mr. Brown can overtake the Governor.

"It certainly brings it much closer to a conclusion," said Ronald H. Brown, the Democratic national chairman. "You could argue that it's theoretically possible for Jerry Brown to mount a come-from-behind challenge, but the math and the reality of Bill Clinton's momentum certainly work against him." http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE0DE1F3FF933A15750C0A964958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print


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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 10:46 PM
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61. have you talked to all the other Kennedy's, Obama's or King family too?
somehow I don't think everyone else would agree. It is over for her.
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ladeyday Donating Member (61 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:25 AM
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71. To me, it was more
negative against Obama than it was against Kennedy. He was killed 40 years ago. In a week, it will be June again. and who's more likely to be in danger??????????????????????
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BigBearJohn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:54 AM
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77. Now why did you have to go and spoil all the fun?
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Catchawave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:42 AM
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80. K&R
:toast:

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gal Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:50 AM
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81. I don't think the comment was aimed at the Kennedy's..how about the Obama family?
No apology needed there?
And yes she has said this before which also proves that she lied about it being because the Kennedy's were on her mind so much lately. (Yes she will use Ted Kennedy's illness to her advantage when needed as well)

This was well planned and rehearsed as a response long before now if needed. It's scripted word for word pretty much to what she said in March, why do you do that if you don't plan on using it?
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:56 AM
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84. But...but... we have to stoke
the cappuccino machine.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:59 AM
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86. This is dangerous ground they tread....
because too much self righteous indignation tends to backfire.

And the Obama camp has reached the tipping point... where it's getting to be simply too much.
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