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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:33 AM
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How dare Hillary Clinton insult my intelligence?
I may be just an ordinary citizen. I may be just a working class white male. I am able to forgive simple unintentional gaffes by a politician. But I CANNOT forgive the cold and calculated manner Hillary Clinton has adopted in order to advance her personal agenda.

As a child of the 60s, as Hillary was, I lived through the horrifying political assassinations of our nation's leaders. I remember the voice of the Principal of my grade school as it broke over the loudspeaker in my classroom.

"Can I have your attention. Early today in Dallas, Texas the President of the United States, John F. Kennedy was wounded in an attempt on his life. He has been transported to the hospital. The situation is grave. Please keep him in your prayers. Classes are canceled and students will be boarding their busses in fifteen minutes."

When I arrived home, my father, a veteran of two wars, was sitting silently in front of the black and white television. Tears were running down his cheeks.

"I think it's over" he said. "I think he might be dead."

Here he was absorbed in the despair of what was happening to his Commander in Chief. A man who had witnessed untold horrors during his early life as he helped remove the fallen from the battlefields in Europe and Korea. He never carried a weapon during his years of military service. He was a conscientious objector. Yet he enlisted and became part of the medic corp, assisting in the field and in the military hospitals - caring for wounded and dying soldiers. I can still vividly recall that image to my mind. And this was only the beginning. Our nation lost so much in the succeeding years.

Hillary Clinton is no ordinary citizen. She is not of ordinary intelligence. She has occupied the premier house of our nation. She has attended the best schools our nation has to offer. She has served in the highest legislative body in our country. Her comment today in reference to the Bobby Kennedy tragedy is no coincidence. It is no witless gaffe. It is the cold and calculated planting of a disgusting and reprehensible idea in the minds of madmen and fools. An invitation to social miscreants to hoist something foul and evil upon this nation. Until this point her dirty politics have been excused away by her supporters as misrepresentation or volley. Not this one. There is no excuse whatsoever for her to think we are this ignorant or uninformed. Her plan is a failure and her campaign for the nomination is over. Anyone who can support this kind of deliberate plotting has absolutely no moral scruples.

I call for Hillary Clinton's resignation from this primary. And if she has one ounce of honor left in her, she will publicly admit her crime and ask us all for our forgiveness. I doubt she'll do this. So far she hasn't even shown that she has the courage to offer an acceptable apology.

Beyond the pale only begins to describe her folly.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:39 AM
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1. Kicked and enthusiastically recommended.
I was in 6th grade when JFK was killed. They took all of us to the cafeteria and let us know he'd been shot. My teacher was hysterical.

When I got home my stepfather was home from work. He, too sat on the couch weeping. They had actually closed the mill where he worked down for the 1/2 day so people could go home to their families.

Everything seemed different after that. Innocence was lost.

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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:43 AM
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12. The emotional tragedy for me was intensified by the death of my father...
...one month later. It seemed the horror would never end and everyone, everywhere I went was in mourning. They were dark and cloudy days emphasized by the turmoil the lost of our President was causing.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:13 PM
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17. Please see my post regarding her sad excuse for her remarks...
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:21 PM
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25. That's good. I kicked and recommended your thread too.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:22 PM
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26. Thanks! Please pass around the link if you can...
People need to know this was no "regrettable error."
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:42 PM
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35. I was in the third grade Cliff
and my teacher Mrs. Larsen ran down the halls crying-I won an art contest that day-bittersweet victory for sure
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Diane R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:40 AM
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2. You worded this perfectly. I'm that age, too, and you've expressed the real insult of her words.
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cutlassmama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:46 AM
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3. Her words were horrible.
Utterly despicable.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:50 AM
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4. She is incapable of admitting she is wrong.
She's as flawed as Dubya in that regard.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:53 AM
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5. K&R...there's been enough blood
And the notion of a candidate carelessly speaking of how she should stay in, and would be the nominee if Obama were assassinated...that's just a sick sociopath.

One ounce of honor, and she still might show a bit of leadership.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:55 AM
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6. K/R. Very well-written and thought-provoking. I think Hillary just
sees that moment in history, that terrible event, merely as a prop to use for her own purposes and ambitions, even if she lived through those searing times herself and should know that she's poking a national wound on many levels. It's the same cynical way the GOPers use 9/11--a real trauma for many, an historical event for the nation, but used as a vote-getter, a rationale, an excuse, a reminder of what will befall us if we "choose wrong" or don't cooperate. A Presidential candidate who can't foresee the outcry these comments would cause, in THIS campaign, against THIS rival, is clearly stupid and not worthy of the office. A Presidential candidate who CAN foresee the outcry, and makes her remarks anyway, is evil and not worthy of the office.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:56 AM
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7. Beautifully stated.
K&R :patriot:
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jespwrs Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:19 AM
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8. Well put papapi
I think your words will help people understand why people are so rightfully appalled by what she said. An 80 year old black woman that I work with put it this way: "Imagine people bullying you because of your race and beliefs over the years and where that takes your heart, and watching your heroes and the role models for your children get knocked off one by one over the years. Kennedy, Malcolm, Dr. King, Bobby K...And now another good God-given man comes along to give people like me some hope-don't you think I've been worried about Barack from the beginning? It's gotten to the point in my life where it would be stupid to think somebody's not gonna start shooting. And then for Hillary to come out and deliberately make those thoughts come alive, so casually talking about something so horrifying and real to me and my family and then not even acknowledge that it sounded like "Hey you know he's goin' down" to a lot of people...how can she be so stupid. The only time she should ever talk about that she should be saying how she's praying it doesn't ever happen again-how she hopes my heart won't be stomped on a fifth time."
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NoSunWithoutShadow Donating Member (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:43 PM
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36. Wow, what your co-worker said jespwrs, she has credibility.
And welcome to DU.
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:03 PM
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43. and I too have felt the pain and apprehension experienced by your co-worker...
...she expressed it very eloquently. Our brothers and sisters in the African American community must be feeling shock waves today. How could Hillary be so insensitive? I give up.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:23 AM
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9. The invocation and projection of such an enormous tragedy
is not only "reprehensible" as her whole campaign has been, (21 million in debt) but is also utterly pathetic and cruel.

K & R'd
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:25 AM
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10. Anyone (Hillary) who lived thru that period
had to have been touched by all those assasinations (one after another) and to say something so stupid and insensitive is just beyond all redemption. :-(
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:45 AM
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11. "Do or say anything to win" is no longer an exaggeration
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:52 PM
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13. Excellent OP - K & R.
:thumbsup:
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:53 PM
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14. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:08 PM
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15. self deleted
Edited on Sat May-24-08 01:49 PM by papapi
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:12 PM
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16. What On Earth Are You Talking About.
Your post makes zero sense.

Your OP is dumb. Way dumb.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:19 PM
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21. He quoted you and you say it makes zero sense?
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:26 PM
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28. It's true that the quoted material makes zero sense in context of this recent post.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:33 PM
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29. It seems like he penned exactly what waswanted
Edited on Sat May-24-08 01:34 PM by Gore1FL
and then attacked for taking the advice.
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:36 PM
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31. Thank you for being a mind reader. I could not have expressed it better myself.
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:19 PM
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23. Back at ya!
:woohoo:
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:20 PM
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24. Maybe THIS will clear things up for you, sport:
Edited on Sat May-24-08 01:21 PM by Barrymores Ghost
You were quoted issuing a call for civility, then caught doing exactly the opposite of what you "called for."

While we're on the subject:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6111215&mesg_id=6111215
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apocalypsehow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:35 PM
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30. Not only is he more full of bullshit, he also has a fast & loose association with the truth:
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:39 PM
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33. Case closed.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:17 PM
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20. The thing is...
Take away the assassination nonsense she spewed, and look at what else she said.

Her examples of a campaign lasting until June takes into consideration large states like CA voting then. It doesn't take into account the voting process starting 2 months prior. It destroys her campaign argument as to, "Why can't Obama close the deal?" She claimed that people called for her to drop out after Iowa. No one did. She claimed that the Obama campaign has called for her to drop out. They made no such claim, and stated if she wanted to continue, she should.

There was nothing in her interview yesterday that didn't count on the premise that people were uninformed enough to believe her. The assassination insult and the non-apology apology insult were merely the sour whipped cream and rotten cherry on top of rather shitty sundae.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:25 PM
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27. self-delete
Edited on Sat May-24-08 01:46 PM by yardwork
Thank you, mods!
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:40 PM
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34. Is it alertable?
If so, I'll take him off ignore to do so.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:45 PM
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38. Oh yes, and it was deleted. I'll delete my post above now.
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:46 PM
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39. Post deleted. Too late.
Edited on Sat May-24-08 01:48 PM by papapi
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:16 PM
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18. Nearly exactly the same as the scene at my house that day.. and my father was a veteran of Korea,
too. K&R.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:17 PM
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19. Yes. And welcome to DU.
I was three when the president was assassinated, and eight when his brother was murdered while campaigning for president, the same year that one of the greatest men in the history of our country was also murdered while waging his own peaceful campaign for human rights.

I do not take comments about assassinations lightly. Nor do I believe that such highly-charged, dramatic statements are mere "gaffes."

Today I am pondering the words of Martin Luther King, Jr., Jesus, and Ghandi in an effort to find it in me to forgive Hillary Clinton.
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:54 PM
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45. Thanks for the handshake, yardwork.
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Barrymores Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:19 PM
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22. Excellent and provocative post. Please read this, also...
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:45 PM
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Thanks BG. When placed in context, Hillary's remarks ARE remarkable.
...and she knows it. That's the point.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:36 PM
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32. After feeling angry about all this yesterday, today it's just so sad
As you point out, she's no ordinary citizen. I believe that Clinton knew what she was doing. She was speaking to the super delegates, trying to convince them that she is somehow the safer choice. I hope that the supers step in and end this nightmare very soon.

P.S. I was in my senior year of high school in November '63.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:45 PM
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37. I think that her words were poorly chosen...
...but I've seen no evidence that she ever thought they'd be interpreted as any kind of advocacy of assassination. The more innocent explanation makes much more sense, that she was simply reminding us of a beloved politician who campaigned very late into the primary as a justification for her own determination. She was casting herself as the heroic fighter, not Obama as a target for an assassin. Isn't that much fairly clear?

We'll know for sure, though, depending on whether she continues to harp on RFK after apologizing (mostly, at least) for the reference. I think her handlers panicked when they saw the sound bite explode into scandal, and that she will not go there again--at least, not without choosing her words more carefully.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:48 PM
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40. You're a better person than I am. I can't give her the benefit of the doubt.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:51 PM
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41. Well. after Oblitergate I hope I'm being careful with the benefit of the doubt...
...but really, both Clintons have drawn heavily on African-American support for many years. I just don't believe that she would have dreamed of suggesting Obama's assassination.
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papapi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:55 PM
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42. Forgive me. But your logic has holes in it - see thread....
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:47 PM
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46. I would agree for you except for a couple of facts....she made
the same statements in March 2-3 times and she didn't use the word "Assasination"!! And that is where she got herself in trouble...the media didn't call her on it in March....and she really thought it was okay......She miscalculated and blundered again....
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:38 PM
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44. My thoughts as well. rec'd
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:56 PM
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47. You'd have to time have some for it to be insulted. n/t
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