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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:41 AM
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We have seen an X-ray of a very dark soul
Mike Goodwin, of the Daily News, is dead on in his descriptions of Hillary and her actions.

We have seen an X-ray of a very dark soul. One consumed by raw ambition to where the possible assassination of an opponent is something to ponder in a strategic way. Otherwise, why is murder on her mind?

It's like Tanya Harding's kneecapping has come to politics. Only the senator from New York has more lethal fantasies than that nutty skater.

We could have seen it coming, if only we had realized Clinton's thinking could be so cold. She has grown increasingly wild in her imagery lately, invoking everything from slavery to the political killings in Zimbabwe in making her argument for the Florida and Michigan delegations. She claimed to be the victim of sexism, despite winning the votes of white men.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/05/24/2008-05-24_hillary_clintons_colossal_blunder_simply-2.html

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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:43 AM
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1. True.
Tanya Harding or "Serial Mom" ... it's anyone's guess.

HRC will stop at NOTHING to score the Democratic Nomination. :nuke:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sqOGo0tglU&feature=related
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:44 AM
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2. Hi, Nomad....
...good article. A K&R for ya! :hi:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:45 AM
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4. Thanks and Hi back at you
:hi:
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:44 AM
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3. Ouch
The thing about hurling kitchen sinks.... they eventually come back to land on ya
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:20 AM
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17. Just a peek at Bubba & Hillary's private conversations. Sick...sick...sick
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:45 AM
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5. I've been pissed beyond belief, but now this is just sad and depressing.
She has lost her way indeed.
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Starwars Hillary Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:46 AM
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6. She didn't ponder the assassination
She cited it as an historical bridge to the month of JUNE.

That X-Ray machine must be from Cuba.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:47 AM
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7. Yeah, it was, in essence, "Psst! June is the month for political ASSIGNATIONS" n/t
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:48 AM
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8. Her anology didn't make any other sense, RFK had ONLY been campaigning for 3 months
Edited on Sat May-24-08 07:48 AM by nomad1776
So how does that compare to a campaign that has lasted well over a year?
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:53 AM
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9. To even bring it up
she had to have pondered it. It was a talking point she has used before in various ways. She used it one time too many.

That you can say that her pointed comments are merely "historical fact" is just as cold and ruthless as what she said was.

She was asked why she would continue the campaign and this was the first thought that came to her?!

You'd do better to argue that she was having a bad day or a mental slippage of some sort, than to argue that she was perfectly justified in using the argument in that context.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 07:56 AM
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10. No doubt, this was not a historical fact that had just popped into her head
If you listen to her talk, she threw it out there, very matter of factly. Clearly this is something she had pondered, and probably talked about with Bill and others.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:21 AM
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19. go away with your tripe
you suffer from the same type of lame excusitis as your dear despicable Shrillary
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:23 AM
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20. June '68 was the month of the 13th primary, not the 43rd
in June 2008, the remaining primaries won't effect the outcome of the nominating process - but a well-timed political assassination just might.
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:55 AM
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34. DING DING DING DING!
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:01 AM
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11. "Infirmity of character."

"It is the highest form of self-respect to admit our errors and mistakes and make amends for them. To make a mistake is only an error in judgment, but to adhere to them when discovered shows a profound infirmity of character."
Dale E. Turner

"It will never do to plead others misperception as an excuse for our own wrong conduct, or to attempt to justify evil acts by pleading ignorance of our own intent. This instead of being a valid apology, is the very ground of our condemnation."
Archibald Alexander

concerning actual amends:
"We will want to summon all our courage . . . and lay our cards on the table. We needn't wallow in excessive remorse before those we have harmed, but amends at this level should always be forthright and generous . . . the readiness to take the full consequences of our past acts, and to take responsibility for the well-being of others at the same time, is the very spirit of good character."
W.G. Wilson

This race, for me, Sen. Clinton, and my opposition to your candidacy has always been founded on the grounds of character. Sen. Obama has it - and you surely do not.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:03 AM
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12. "if only we had realized Clinton's thinking could be so cold"
Some of us did, and tried to warn you (okay DU, not Goodwin) back when she kneecapped Kerry in 2006.

Serious thinking about that episode - and just a little bit of knowledge of Kerry, with the realization that Clinton knows him personally from working in the Senate with him - would have predicted what has followed. Although I must admit, I've tried to shake it off as an aberration rather than indicative of her character - just in case it turns out I have to somehow vote for her in November.

To be more clear: what Clinton did to Kerry was COLD. She would know as well as anyone that he couldn't possibly have meant what the right-wing was selling, but rather than stand up for him, she stood with the smear merchants. Hillary supporters will tell you "she only said his remark was inappropriate" and yes those were her spoken words BUT what that said was "as someone who knows this man, I can tell you that the right wing's interpretation is correct, he really does hold a low opinion of the troops, and you are right to despise him for it." BUT as someone who knows Kerry she knows the opposite is true, that he holds our military in high regard; as someone who commanded others in wartime (highly successfully) he shares a camaraderie with troops in general; as a Senator he has sponsored numerous bills to improve treatment of the military and military veterans. He regularly attends funerals of troops killed in action. The way the right wing twisted his words had to be very tough for him, yet apparently all she saw was an opportunity to put the final kibosh on any chance he might oppose her for the nomination in 2008.

I think most rational people can see how ice-cold a person would have to be to behave as Hillary did in that incident.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:08 AM
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14. Good point, she had made it clear (even then) that she would throw
anyone under the bus, to further her political ambition.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:16 AM
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15. Ironically, she may also have kneecapped her own campaign when she did that.
Kerry probably wasn't going to run anyway, and certainly not after the "joke" - with or without her throwing him under the bus.

But A WHOLE BUNCH of Kerry-supporting folks saw what she did and guess who they are supporting now? Three guesses and the first two don't count. Very few Kerry backers went to Clinton. He had built quite an infrastructure in 2004, and with one mean and unnecessary sentence she insured most of the key players would NOT support her.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:05 AM
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13. Thanks for posting this great article.

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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:17 AM
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16. No historical relevance to what she said, just raising murder
Now: 86 delegates to go. Nothing like 1968 race in May, so raising the assassination in June has nothing to do with her having a chance to gain a lot more delegates like Kennedy did winning California.

Also meaninglessly invoked 1992 campaign and said Bill didn't have it wrapped up until June. The interviewer who had no knowledge was happy to let that slide, but we remember it - Bill shoved Tsongas aside early and he withdrew in March. She remembers that, of course.

So, she has two inapplicable statements and then brings up assassination.

We'll never know if the worst interpretation was true and she was actually trying to hint about what she wants. More likely she was trying to scare super-delegates adding "target" to "unelectable". NO way this was just a gaffe. It's brinksmanship. It was a tactic that she got called on.
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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:20 AM
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18. so true
she was channeling her wishes with her remarks yesterday.
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Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:25 AM
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21. Normal readers will note that this is the sort of thing Clintophobes ALWAYS say.
Edited on Sat May-24-08 08:25 AM by Perry Logan
To Clintophobes, Hillary is the villain in a bad comic book. Meanwhile, she continues to hold her own against Obama, who is limping his way to the finish line.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:26 AM
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22. Is he limping, because Hillary has kneecapped him?
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:46 AM
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23. Thanks for posting this
It is odd-- because my husband and I had two completely different takes on Hillary's statement. Neither of us support or "like" her.

Reading this helped me realize why we took it so differently. He is very quick to assign the "best" motives to people, to believe that other people have the same sensibilities that we have. He is more likely to say "mistakes were mad" instead of "who benefitted?".

Indeed, there are dark souls. Indeed, dark souls are often attracted to power. We need to be very careful in picking our leaders. Yes, she opened a window into her soul.

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:54 AM
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26. Thanks for sharing that. I have often found the differences between those
that take a more cynical view and those that take a more optimistic view of human nature, very interesting.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:47 AM
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24. I don't think she has a soul.
I think the soul has been replaced by ruthless ambition and sheer desperation.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:48 AM
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25. Spot on. nt
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FarCenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 09:05 AM
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27. The souls of both Clintons have been dark a long time.
Otherwise, why is murder on her mind?

She remembers Vince Foster?

In the '90s there were a number of Clinton associates who took a dirt nap.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:36 AM
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28. I never bought into that right wing conspiracy theory
but I can now understand what inspired them.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:47 AM
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29. We made a deal with the Devil
Edited on Sat May-24-08 10:48 AM by Jake3463
In 1998 when instead of asking Clinton to resign and allowing Al Gore to become President and have 2 years and a clean shot at 2000 we rallied around him. We chose them over our future.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:51 AM
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30. You know I never thought of it that way before
in hindsight, you are probably right. Had we done what you suggested, george bush might only be know as a former governor of TX.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:54 AM
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32. Ford almost beat Carter
and if it hadn't been for the Pardon of Nixon he probably would have.

If we would of forced him out of office all the RW talking points about our lack of morals and family values would have been killed right there and Al Gore would have two years as a popular President to run against Bush.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:56 AM
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35. Yeah looking back on it, it's hard to believe that bush/cheney ran on the
bringing back honor and dignity to the White House.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:59 AM
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37. They also ran on ending Nation Building
90% of his platform in 2000 was a lie. The only thing he kept his promise on was the tax cuts.

Remember 2004 no mention of Social Security and right after the inaguration he pushed that awful bill. They have a pattern of being out and out liars in everything they do and say.
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Dancing bolt Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:52 AM
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31. Citing a right-wing commentator who hates Barack Obama as well
Not very wise.

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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:55 AM
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33. I have never bought into the concept that a message should be discounted
based on the messenger. I have always felt that one should judge a message on its own merit. In this case the OP was dead on accurate.
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Dancing bolt Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:01 AM
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38. In other words, if it's pro-Obama, post it
If it's not, dump it.

Hehe.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:04 AM
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40. It really didn't mention Obama. It was a well laid out analysis of Hillary
and what caused her latest outragious action. The reasoning behind the opinions stated, were well laid out.
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Dancing bolt Donating Member (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:59 AM
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36. What the writer thinks of Barack Obama: "terrorist thugs love him"
Thanks for introducing us to Michael Goodwin. Related articles:

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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:03 AM
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39. She has cheapened herself and her legacy.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:07 AM
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41. More like destroyed, I can't help but feel cheapened is not quite strong enough
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