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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:25 PM
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Regardless of the true meaning of her "gaffe", her biggest problem is she fails to inspire
Edited on Sat May-24-08 12:26 PM by ResetButton
She may be smart, but Hillary exudes a smallness and pettiness that invites mistrust. I don't want to dislike her, but she makes it too damn easy.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:27 PM
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1. In all fairnesss she does insprire.... anger, frustration and outrage
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:27 PM
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2. Yes...She is Nixonesque in that regard
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:28 PM
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3. No her biggest problem is she's a conniving liar n/t
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:30 PM
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4. Approximately half the Democrats in this country disagree with you.
I understand that "you" don't care, but Obama supporters are on the verge of giving this election to McCain via nasty, vicious attacks on a popular Democratic candidate and her supporters.

McCain is a moderate Repub who even Kerry considered for VP. A lot of Hill supporters don't have a problem voting for him over Obama.

And before going into a ballistic rant, just try to think through what you are doing.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:35 PM
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9. "A lot of Hill supporters don't have a problem voting for (McCain) over Obama. "
I guess that says it all. :shrug:

I'd call such people "Dixiecrats" instead of "Democrats" ... but that just shows my age.

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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:40 PM
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13. Regardless of how you want to characterize them, you are losing their votes.
I don't think you DU Obama folk understand the degree of anger toward Obama that is building among Hillary supporters. A lot will depend on who McCain chooses as VP. If he chooses another moderate, Katie bar the door. Obama will lose big.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:51 PM
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18. That's called blame-shifting ... a notable neoconservative habit.
Obama isn't progressive/liberal enough for my taste (Hillary is even less so), but he has done nothing to warrant such irrational opposition except (so far as I can tell) have the temerity (uppity?) to do better than Hillary.

I wish I could say the same about Hillary. I was once a supporter of her candidacy to the Senate. Absolutely NOBODY other than Hillary has done anything to eradicate any willingness I might still have to support her.

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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:52 PM
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20. Most of her support is a mile wide but an inch deep
Once Obama is nominated , then the majority of them will vote for him in the GE. The dead-enders ? Well they are Dixiecrats that would never vote for a ni**er to begin with. They can fuck right off.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:38 PM
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10. WTF? If opinions on an internet board are going to drive you to McCain, you were already there
You need to forget about his supporters and ask yourself why you'd rather have McCain. In the end, it's you and your choice.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:42 PM
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15. It's Obama, himself, who originally made most of us angry.
The crap here and from m$m sources isn't helping. All you have to do is pay attention to the exit polls regarding how many Hillary supporters will vote McCain if Obama gets the nomination, to understand. I doubt many of those folks read DU.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:45 PM
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16. Here's where the rubber meets the road
What exactly did Obama do to make you so angry you'd rather vote for a republican?
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:49 PM
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17. There are so many reasons. I do not feel inclined to humor you with an hour of writing.
What difference does it make WHY many Hillary supporters would vote McCain. What you need to get through your head is that IT WILL HAPPEN.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:51 PM
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19. Slither away then
"Democrat"
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:08 PM
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25. Lol
I have never voted Republican in my life. Goes to show anything is possible with a nightmare candidate and his brain dead followers.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:14 PM
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27. Like I said, don't blame us for what's in your heart
Now go on and goose-step out of the republican closet.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:19 PM
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28. In your deluded dreams.
:eyes:
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:22 PM
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29. Well, that's what you'll be doing if you vote for McCain
For all intents and purposes you will be a republican. Congratulations!
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:25 PM
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30. And what explanation do you have for why Obama supporter, Kerry,
asked McCain to be on his 2004 ticket? Is Kerry a "closet Republican?"
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:33 PM
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32. If you're going to invoke Kerry as inspiration for voting for McCain
Why don't you follow his lead now and go with Obama? Oh wait now I remember, there's some unstated reason(s) why you hate Obama.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:18 PM
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36. Unlike you, apparently, I DO NOT walk in lock-step with anybody.
I was just trying, pointlessly apparently, to point out that good liberal Dems, such as Kerry,have supported McCain, even as a VP candidate.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:54 PM
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21. You must really miss Strom Thurmond and George Wallace
All the good Dixiecrats have died off. I guess you have Hillary to carry on the tradition.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:30 PM
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5. she has inspired 1/2 of the democratic party. DU is not real life
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:39 PM
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11. Well, she inspires me. She has inspired three of my daughters
Edited on Sat May-24-08 12:43 PM by Democrat 4 Ever
and two of my granddaughters to vote for her in the primary. And no, it isn't a "woman" thing. Two rethuglican men told me they would vote for her in the general election if she is the candidate. I do thinks she is inspiration, I think she is whip smart, I think she is committed and an excellent candidate. I love many of her ideas to fix this country. Up until Obama got into the race there were very few on this board that criticized her. Her and Bill were rock stars here at DU.

Your don't have to agree with me of course, but to constantly denigrate and put down someone who you don't like is a symptom of really insecure behavior. Obama for all intents and purposes has the nomination sewn up, why does it feel so good for his supporters to continually put down Hillary and the people who believe in her? I refuse to go nasty, I will support the Democratic candidate but I do wish that the Obama supporters could practice just a little of what Obama preaches. You don't see your candidate acting so hateful or nasty. Buy a clue.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:56 PM
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22. But we do see your candidate being hateful and nasty
Along with her surrogates like Gerry Ferrarro, the mafia's BFF.
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:12 PM
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26. You chose to find her hateful and nasty. That's a vast difference
from her being hateful and nasty. She worded something wrong, people choose to be offended. People like to stir up a good outrage over nothing. But is just fits so well with your agenda, doesn't it, so you continue to work hard to catapult the propaganda. Kudos to you.

So now Hillary supporters are the mafia? Because we disagree with you? Really? KKKarl would be so proud.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:30 PM
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31. Gerry's husband is "connected"
We don't see her disavowing his mob ties.

Beside KKKarl is on your side, just listen to Terry MacAuliffe. He loooooves Fox News.

We'll miss you here after the convention when you advocate for McCain.
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:54 PM
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33. Now you are twisting my words. How cute. I have never said I was
voting for McInsane. Don't believe me, search my posts. I can't stand McInsane and would never vote for him. That we are getting a third tier candidate in this election cycle is just pure dumb luck for your guy. I'll vote for Obama but regretfully and sadly for what could have been. If Obama gets the nomination (agree, very likely) I think he will win the general election. He might even get eight years. Good for the Democratic party but in the end it will just put this country eight more years behind fixing everything and that is a shame. He just doesn't have the know how or experience. Period.

You are using KKKarl playbook tactics for your candidate. And who cares if McAuliffe loves Faux Snooze and/or KKKarl - what does that have to do with the price of eggs in China. Another clear KKKarl tactic - change the subject - bonus points for you.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:02 PM
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34. McAuliffe is on Hillary's campaign and he praises Fox and KKKarl
Are you really that dense?
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:23 PM
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37. No, but apparently you are. I don't care what McAuliffe has to say about
Faux Snooze and KKKarl. Think I've already said that. That has nothing to do with the reasons I think Hillary is the better candidate.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:13 PM
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39. Well, what you think is now irrelevant
She has lost and after her latest escapade, she has ZERO chance of winning anything, even re-election to the Senate.
This whole thing just demonstrates her (and you) to be sore losers that will say or do anything, no matter how unsavory, to win.
Now if you want to live up to your name, get in line and vote for the Democratic nominee in November.
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Democrat 4 Ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:32 PM
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41. Would you please have someone read this thread to you?
Pretty please? Jeez, Louise, your reading comprehension skills must be nil. I'm not a sore loser, I'm a concerned Democrat. Once again in really small words. I will vote for Obama. Won't like it but will.

And just for the record, you are high if you think Hillary won't retain her Senate seat. You just can't get through your head you are so blinded by your hatred - half the Democratic voters LOVE Hillary. You aren't in that half, granted, but there are more of us than you apparently are willing to acknowledge. Oh, drat! There I go using those words with multiple syllables again. For the one track minds - Lots of people like Hillary. Lots.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:31 PM
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6. She fails to win on policy issues alone
she felt the need to bring down her opponent so she could succeed. Dishonarable.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:32 PM
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only a couple humdred thousand people more have
voted for Obama than her. Obviously she's inspires people.

C'mon - what the fuck good is a thread like this?

Another chance for the Hillary hate squad to pile on?
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:32 PM
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7. She is one of the most
despised politians in the country. I think that is part of the appeal is she pisses people off. I used to like her because of how much the RW would go ape shit crazy over her. Never realized that she would have the same effect on democrats when she ran for President with the way she's behaved.

The biggest difference between the two is when Obama walks in to a room the temperature goes down and people can talk. When Hillary goes into a room the temperature goes up and people run for their pots and pans.
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whatchamacallit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:40 PM
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14. Yep (n/t)
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:33 PM
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8. No, that is not true
She has inspired many people in the course of this primary season. I don't happen to be one of them, but I won't say others have not found her an inspiration. She has very devoted followers.
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Chalco Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:39 PM
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12. Half of us are inpired by her.
Half by BO. Get over it.
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:58 PM
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23. And most of her half will support Obama in the GE
The rest are not really Democrats, but Dixiecrats and crypto-Rethugs.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:58 PM
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24. I certainly hope it isn't thru her misguided inspirations of assination attempts that inspires you.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:02 PM
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35. Im curious, what is your gender?
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 03:59 PM
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38. She inspires me to
think she doesn't have any moral center or anything at all at her core.

Which hilary will it be tomorrow? I know whoever did the 3am ad was an idiot.

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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 04:20 PM
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40. Agreed.
I never particularly "liked" her, but personalities aside, I did once respect and admire her. Not any more.

Hillary has willingly lowered herself into the slime. She has shown an amorality that I find disgusting and an instability that is very disturbing, and she is at this point completely untrustworthy.

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DogPoundPup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:40 PM
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42. Ol' Granny here and I gotta' say you and me think alike...
I do not like her, I do not trust her (she's a republican), and she is vindictive, mean spirited (obliterate comment was just too obscene). She is very much a lil' bush wanna' be ...

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