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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:36 PM
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Sharpshooters on the roof
This is an excellent diary. It should be read in it's entirity by all.

Sharpshooters on the roof, Updated
by teresahill
Fri May 23, 2008 at 08:18:54 PM PDT

Obama came to Clemson University sometime before the South Carolina primary, and my son went to hear him speak.

His first and most-lasting impression? The sharpshooters on the rooftops that he spotted around the area where Obama was speaking.

This is a kid who's probably never seen weapons like that in person. His nearest reference to that kind of firepower is from video games. And he was amazed to see those guns panning the crowd at his school.

Which gave me the opportunity to explain to my son: Merely standing before us and offering himself to us as a Presidential candidate is an act of courage on behalf of Barack Obama every day he's on the campaign trail.

Death threats came early, we know, judging by how early the Secret Service stepped in to try to protect him. I suspect, the death threats come in greater numbers for him than any Presidential candidate before him.

And yet, he still stands before us. He stands before us with his wife and with his daughters by his side. Think about that.

Think about what it would take for any of us here to believe so strongly in the need to change our country that we could handle constant death threats. That we could handle the danger inherent in our campaign not just to our spouse, but to our children?

Think about Wing-Nut radio show hosts who feel free to joke about the possibility of him being assassinated. Didn't a Fox News person make some kind of reference to assassination, too?

And the good Rev. Mike Huckabee? How funny. That sound? Someone shooting at Obama. That was within the last week, right?

Apparently, it's still OK in this country to many people to joke about shooting and killing a black politician.

And yet, Obama stands before us, offering himself to us.

Think about the stadiums, 15,000, 30,000, 50,000, 75,000 people. And how many in Oregon this week?...


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/23/224630/771/5/521718
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:37 PM
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1. thank you for linking that diary.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:39 PM
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2. Umm... when I went and saw Kerry in Philadelphia I also noticed
Edited on Sat May-24-08 01:40 PM by LibraLiz1973
sharp shooters on the roof.

I am sure there are sharp shooters on the roof of Hillary engagements too.


"Obama stands before us, offering himself to us".


H O L Y. F U C K I N G. S H I T.



The same is true of EVERY person that has run for the Presidency.

Stop turning him in to some weird martyr/saint.

It's creepy
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:41 PM
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4. As a public servant, not as royalty
Sorry you can't see the difference.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:10 PM
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28. Elaborate. Your statement doesn't make sense.
x
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Exilednight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:55 AM
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41. Hillary wants a coronation and crowned queen, Obama just wants to be President for 4-8 years. n/t
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:42 PM
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49. :-_)
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:47 PM
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6. Hillary does not what to change things
Edited on Sat May-24-08 01:48 PM by zeemike
And so she is not in much danger
The only ones that have been killed are those that what to change things and that goes back to Abe Linc-on.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:50 PM
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7. You mean like Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagen? It used to be a common
belief that JFK, MLK and RFK drew their assassins partly because they were such "hot" politicians who attracted such an emotional response. I think the attempts on Gerald Ford prove that all you have to do is be in the public eye.
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:56 PM
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12. And if Reagan and Ford had been killed who would have ben
President?
And you forgot George Wallace Had he not been shot Nixon would not have been president.
Sorry but I am one of those crazy people that do not discount conspiracies.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:07 PM
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27. George Wallace did not have a chance in hell of winning
any presidency. Hokey. Are you suggesting Reagan's and Ford's vice presidents were responsible for the attempted assasinations ?
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:28 AM
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45. No but he would split the repugs and elect a democrat
Nixon's southern strategy would not work with 30 percent voting for Wallace.
And like I said I do not rule out a conspiracy by the same ones who killed JFK and RFK and MLK. In my opinion the right wing fascist with the help of the CIA.
And that is just an opinion on which I have no hard evidence, just a hunch based on circumstance.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:46 PM
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50. Good point, its a different race with Wallace in there, vs out of the race.
2 very different dynamics.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:59 PM
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23. The vitrolic hatred exibited against Clinton on GDP by
Obamaites tells me that she is probably getting many death threats. President McKinley was not killed because he wanted change. The attempted assasination of Pres. Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan was not because they wanted change. Pres. Nixon was threatened with unpresidented death threats not because he wanted change. Every adminstration has their fair share of threats. You can be darn sure Hillary Clinton needs plenty protection because hatred of her has had no bounds (at least on this one sided forum.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:55 PM
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54. Typical. Conjecture and supposition in lieu of facts.
I find it interesting that the observable behavior of the "reality-based" community (e.g. the Secret Service) is discarded in lieu of the fantasy-prone delusions of the inhabitants of ClintonCloudCuckooLand.

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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:14 AM
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35. Not really true
Hate radio has been advocating the assassination of "liberals" for more than 20 years. There are quite a few wingnuts that hate Hillary also. My whackjob brother even sent me a photoshop of Ghouliani shoving her in front of a subway train last year. That's why it is so unbelievably fucking STUPID of her to be playing with fire.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:51 PM
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8. That is some creepy shit isn’t it?
Like Hillary (and McCain as well) doesn’t have secret service protection, which would include sharp shooters…


Obama’s supporters seriously scare the crap out of me.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:15 PM
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29. Idol worship is scary shit.
I swear some people's adulation of Obama is like they think he is the second coming. Even John F. Kennedy didn't have people slathering all over him like he was some heavenly saint. I understand admiration for him, but surely not adoration.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:57 PM
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55. Projection.
Mote. Log. :shrug:
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HannibalBarca Donating Member (269 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:49 PM
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51.  I think you're missing the point
there is an added dimension of danger to him as a direct consequence of his race, surely you cannot deny that?
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Hawkowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:54 PM
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53. Actually you are WRONG
Hillary does have SS protection.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:01 PM
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16. I agree with you, in some ways the blind adoration is a bit creep, now this from the same
people who dare to fault others for ignoring a personal candidates choice's fault...a bit hypocritical to say the least...

I've never in my life thought anyone was worthy of unbiased blind faith, I have admired many and to be honest I like knowing that those that I admire are not saints and not perfect....perfection is not reality and it's more than dangerous to believe such exists.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:02 PM
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24. Liberal Liz, info from inside is that Obama requires more security
Obama is under double the threat level.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 04:51 PM
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58. Is that like double secret probation?
I think that all 3 (especially the 2 dem candidates) are under EXTRAORDINARILY tight security
because in this day and age, more and more people are unstable & want to gain fame on a 24/7 news loop.
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:40 PM
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3. I was thinking this last night before I finally gave up and went to bed. I'm devastated by her vile
remarks. She's hurt Americans beyond measure with her evil dreams and comments. rec'd
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:20 PM
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31. It is evil to believe that Clinton is evil, has evil dreams, makes
evil comments,and does evil things. Don't look in any mirrors, you might not have a reflection.
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DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:55 AM
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40. Lighten up...your faux outrage is laughable.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:47 PM
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5. It's probably the "sharpshooters" we need to fear
Bobby Kennedy was fatally shot from behind -- Sirhan was in front of him at all times. Sirhan emptied his clip and never reloaded. There were nine more bullets found at the scene.

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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:52 PM
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9. And the investigation ignored a witness
who saw a security guard holstering his gun right after the shooting.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:56 PM
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13. Yep. n/t
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:03 PM
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25. Today's Secret Service is different
and BETTER. Not the same at all.
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benddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:53 PM
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10. I've been at Presidential campaign appearances before
Edited on Sat May-24-08 01:53 PM by benddem
but at Obama's in Bend OR a few weeks back...there were more secret service than I'd ever seen before when he shook hands with people in the audience.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:01 PM
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56. I remember shaking Jerry Ford's hand in a rope line back in '76.
Even as a sitting President he didn't have anything NEAR the number of Secret Service agents assigned to Obama ... at least visibly. I see a minimum of five around Obama on TV, not counting those in the crowd and elsewhere. Ford had three, max, and a couple working the crowd that I could reasonably identify.

Scary shit.
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lumpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 01:47 PM
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57. Understandable. More hate exists in this country than ever
before as is exibited on this forum.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:55 PM
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11. They Made An Impression On Me Too When I Saw Them...


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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:06 PM
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20. I remember at least one post on DU about it - perhaps yours. Is that
at Penn State?
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 08:57 PM
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22. No, It Was The Lancaster, PA Whistle Stop...
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:59 AM
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43. As posted elsewhere I always LOOK for them but...
damned if I'd be caught taking pictures of them. You're a braver man than I.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:57 PM
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14. Thanks for posting this here.
Recommended.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:58 PM
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15. Another strange point that no one refers to is that given her weird
incident with Bosnian snipers you would think that she would be extra careful of any similar references.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:06 PM
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21. that's a good point - plus Huckabee - she needs to learn faster. nt
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seriousstan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:17 PM
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17. Obama stands before us, offering himself to us. Then the sun stood still and the heavens opened.
Nope, not a cult at all.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:18 PM
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18. He is an real hero because he has the courage to stand up and
be counted when there is so much danger. I admire him - it is one of the reasons I support him.
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wildflowergardener Donating Member (863 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:27 PM
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19. Eulogy
I was watching the Eulogy to Robert Kennedy on another Daily Kos post yesterday - the still shots that they were showing of him and crowds, during the Eulogy reminded me a lot of the Obama rallies - people reaching up from the crowd just to get a chance to touch his hand.

Meg
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:05 PM
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26. "offering himself to us". Now I am asking is he the messiah or what
exactly do you believe he is? I say he is a man that does not live up to his own words.They are empty BS.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:19 PM
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30. I suspect the death threats to Hillary and Bill are about equal to Obama's.
So she is courageous too...as anyone running for President. There is always someone who hates them...especially Hillary!

"I suspect, the death threats come in greater numbers for him than any Presidential candidate before him.

And yet, he still stands before us. He stands before us with his wife and with his daughters by his side. Think about that."

So do the Clintons.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:16 AM
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36. Very true--which makes it even more fucking STUPID of her to even mention
--assassination, for any reason.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:51 AM
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38. Sorry! Try again.
Edited on Sun May-25-08 07:51 AM by GalleryGod
Not even close.

Too bad Walter died, and can't cover the Clintonista meltdown for the old NY Miror!
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:59 AM
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46. Are you one of those close minder people a long time poster was
talking about?

You just completely closed your mind to everything I said...and resort to the easy answer...reject everything!
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:21 PM
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32. This Kos diary sounds creepy.
"And yet, Obama stands before us, offering himself to us."

Okaaay! :eyes:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 11:29 PM
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33. I really haven't thought about
this that much until now..I didn't want to let myself dwell on it so I concentrated on everything else.

And now, I'm disgusted from all the dishonesty from clintons and the outrageous lies she tells and how far she stoops to make sure she gets lower each day. That wasn't enough for them ..they had to make sure "assassination" has been in her talking points for the fourth time as of yesterday.

Now, this is all too real and I realize the SS has one of the most challenging jobs imaginable.

"To take jokes from Republicans and wing-nut radio hosts is one thing, but to take it from a Democrat is something else. And to take it from a person claiming to be fit to be President, is something else entirely.

A woman who is also a mother, who knows what it's like to try to raise and protect a child in the White House, to have a husband who I'm sure got a lot of death threats of his own, who stood before huge crowds and generated horrific amounts of irrational hatred from the Republicans... Think about that?

She knows what it's like to need the kind of protection Obama has. For her daughter to need it and her husband to need it, and it has to be even worse for Obama, a black man who dares to think he can break through hundreds of years of racism in this country and be President.

She has a better idea of that fear than most any of us could have, and yet she said it anyway..."


This is an outstanding reaction to what Obama is going through to be up there each day and what hilary is doing because she's lost.

Thanks, whereismyparty, for posting this diary by teresahill.

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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:15 AM
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34. Excellent. Thanks for posting this n/t
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ruby slippers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 06:27 AM
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37. and we are so worried about Hillary's "sniper" comment????
the one in Bosnia, remember? Or, her reminding us of how she used to shoot guns in Pennsylvania? Hmmm, she seems fixated lately.....
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geiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:53 AM
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39. I think about this every day. It is indeed amazing. That's courage. That's leadership.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 07:57 AM
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42. there are ALWAYS sharpshooters on the roof
when a President, or prominent Presidential candidate or world leader, is speaking. I first noticed them when I worked on the 1992 Bill Clinton campaign. In fact I have a little hobby of looking for them whenever I go to a candidate event.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:26 AM
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44. This is a kid who's probably never seen weapons like that in person.
Edited on Sun May-25-08 08:26 AM by WinkyDink
Well, has he or hasn't he? Stupid locution.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:24 PM
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47. Have sharpshooters on a roof EVER prevented an assassination?
I think they're really there just for intimidation.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:28 PM
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48. Maybe thousands of times.
How could we know?

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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:51 PM
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52. Intimidation of whom? Potential assassins?
I can certainly see a situation in which a sharpshooter prevents a second, fatal shot from being fired.
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