Sorry you didn't vote for Dean in the primary?

Karl Rove ordered the media to destroy Dean and the only candidate who spoke for real Americans with a chance to win received no votes. Then after hearing the kind of dishonest statement Kerry gave about the war yesterday, it's reasonable to conclude that Rove handpicked Kerry to be the Democrat candidate.

There's no way to fix the mess that Kerry got himself in at this point, not only he voted for war but also Rove's media is reporting that he would have voted for war even knowing what he knows now.

Really? You would go to war for nothing Mr. Kerry? Iraq is a more dangerous place without Saddam than with him. Al-Qaeda recruited 18,000 terrorists as a result of this illegal invasion. No WMDs or nuclear program were found.

Why is it so hard for Kerry to say that BUSH LIED TO AMERICA AND THE CONGRESS, MISREPRESENTED INTELLIGENCE TO THE SENATE AND THAT'S WHY KERRY VOTED FOR WAR?

Why Kerry put himself in the position to be mocked by a war criminal, election-thief and the most ignorant member of The Bush Crime family is beyond me. Unless my early suspicions that he struck a deal with his Skull & Bones neocons buddies to lose this one were correct.

My vote didn't count. :grr:

since August of 2002 and I hope you will give him your support too.

Remember that in a general election all candidates run to the middle, so chill out. He knows what a disaster the war is and will work hard to clean it up ASAP

but I find it laughable that people seem to magically know what Keryr is thinking and they JUST KNOW he will "clean up his mess". Truman and Johnson were both liberals..it didnt stop them from being war hawks.

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I voted for Clark, he didn't get it. Kerry did, he has my support.

I was for Clark anyway. I like Dean and am quite pleased with his contributions support-wise to the Kerry camapign so far.

so why all these threads? No, I would have found it most difficult to vote for Dean even if he was our nominee. Sorry, we have Kerry and there is no turning back and he has my support.

Why don't you hold the liar in chief accountable for what he said about the IWR?

"What I've told others, including President Fox, is we have no imminent plans to use military operations," Bush said in Monterrey after meeting with Mexican President Vicente Fox. March 22, 2002
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/03/25/world/main504515.shtml

"The president discussed Iraq in a general sense, because the president has not made a decision about the use of military action vis-a-vis Iraq," the Bush spokesman said. August 27, 2002
http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/08/27/bush.saudi.prince/

Such a resolution, Bush said, should not suggest that military action is "imminent or unavoidable," only that the United States was speaking with "one voice." October 8, 2002
http://www.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/10/08/bush.iraq/

if not more. Dean could have fought back all he wanted to but the Rove Machine and the media spin would have eaten him alive. I'm not saying he would have fared WORSE than Kerry just definitely not any BETTER than Kerry.

That's the reason Kerry won the nomination. No matter what, the fact that JK said "send me" sets him apart from Dean AND Bush

and I have not changed my mind.

and put a lot of thought into it. To answer your question, no I'm not sorry. Kerry is the Democratic Party nominee and if you don't like it, I guess you'll either vote for bush, someone else, or nobody at all. And if you don't vote, don't bitch. And if you vote for someone other than Kerry and bush wins, then you get what you deserve.

Don't think this would be case for any other candidate.

Dean's name was not on my paper ballot.

So, I wrote his name in.

You won't get many swing votes witn hyperbole.

And I really like Kerry more and more each day.


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Even though Kerry was the apparent winner long before the Ga. primary. I still like Dean, and...if you pay a little attention...he's still helping the Dems and Kerry.

I, as Dean and many many other former Dean supporters are behind Kerry..110%!

We want bush out and it's gonna take all of us to do that.

I'm proud and happy to see that Dean is still out there writing and speaking.. making a big difference in our Democracy.


EDIT~To say..I think Kerry is going to win..no matter bullshit goes on right now.

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Have you, at last, no shame?

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...but I just came inside from sticking my spanking new Kerry-Edwards sticker on my bumper. Rome wasn't built in a day, but it can be burned down in one.

I was tickled that I felt I had/have a voice in Dean, but I can also see how BushCo would have been pulling different, but just as dirty, shit with him. At this point, I'm working hard to find the good in Kerry, knowing even a little makes him worlds better than Bush, and even with as much as I might disagree with Kerry on, he's a lot more than a little better than Bush. Stupid wars of choice won't be such a tempting thing to engage in if we are energy independent. If our children had access to a full spectrum of opportunity, regardless their race or class, we wouldn't have to "play tough on crime" as much. Adequate pre-natal care, good jobs, health care, hope ... that cuts down on the effectiveness of the abortion wedge issue. All of the wedge issues the Republicans use (and to a lesser/different extent, the Democrats as well) rely upon ignorance and an unwillingness on the part of the public to pay any real attention to the world around them.

I wasn't Clintons biggest fan, but DAMNED if after hearing his speech, and seeing him on the Daily Show, I didn't just want to sit down and talk about the worlds problems with that man.

I think Kerry is fairly bright, and that may be a disadvantage with our electorate. He may be hoping, against all reason, that we investigate issues more closely than we have historically...

We tried to say that when people told us to quit whining during the primaries. We see the same reporters going after Kerry who went after Dean.

And every time Dean makes a difference they still bash him. He has been bashed all week.

I don't think you should do this, Kerry is the nominee.

...Candy Crowley anyone...?

she qualifies as # one bush lap dog.

Adam Nagourney, Candi Crowley, all the same folks. They do their jobs well.

I remember one post where I asked folks to write about Wilgoren's attacks on Dean, because they would do it to anyone? God, I remember.

however, Kerry is our nominee. I have been slowly but surely convinced over the months that Kerry is the best possible candidate to put up against Bush. He will survive the Rove multi-media smear machine intact, something even the best of men, like Gore and Dean were unable to do.

I just hope we don't get another 4 years of Bush because some people are too busy picking apart Kerry instead of really comparing the two candidates and carefully weighing which would be better. No candidate is going to be perfect. This time around, liberal third party voters only serve to threaten the world with all the possible horrors a 2nd term for Bush would bring. Unforgivable.

Dean could never have won.

By the time primaries got here, Kerry was winning everywhere. I knew he'd take this state, so my vote in a sense went for the VP which was Edwards. That's how I reasoned it out.

After learning more about Kerry since he got the nomination, I liked him. But I didn't really think he looked like a president to me until the DNC. After that, I knew. He's the real deal and complete president material all the way.

Cyn:)

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D.F.

occurred,Mach 04, my Dean vote was in jeopardy. Kerry had the lead and I was still simmering from the campaign and media dirty tricks from the Iowa Caucus. By February, I ended up campaigning and voting for Edwards....to dilute the Kerry anointing process. I went to confession afterward.....as I wanted and still believe in Dean. Dean is my compass for political reform of the Democratic Party.

Today, I support and do grassroots for Kerry....donated money too. Dean endorsed Kerry which is the only reason I am so open.

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So there!

whenever he spoke to a group of liberals? Yeah, I thought so.

the opportunity to vote for Clark in my state caucus. By the time it got to my state, Kerry was already the de-facto nominee. I ended up voting for Kucinich because that was my only choice, and because I wanted to help make the progressive voice in the party as strong as possible. I'm happy that I made that vote, but regret not having the opportunity to really vote my heart. I also still regret that Clark is not the nominee.

At one point I did think that Dean was more electable than Kerry, although I stopped believing that some time before the primaries actually began. I think he was simply too polarizing as well as unconvincing on national security. I also feel that Kerry has gotten much stronger as a candidate than he was a few months ago. I have been pretty impressed lately.

As nearly as I can tell, Kerry is not saying he would have voted for war, but only to sanction war if inspections and other diplomatic processes had failed. In short, he voted for leverage and Bush lied. I seem to recall him saying that.

I wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in what Karl Rove has to say, and anyway, what's done is done and the best we can do is to work as hard as we can with what we've got.

I do think that Dean has been doing an excellent job as a Democratic party spokesman and an unofficial attack dog on the Bush admin.

Thanks for asking though.

I support Kerry. He is the next President. End of this silly thread.

in November. Dean offered himself and the PEOPLE of the DEMOCRATIC party said no. Its really time for the supporters of all the losers (for example, me and General Clark) to give it up.

Its time to elect a president, not whine about what might have been.

He never read the intelligence report supplied by this administration before he voted. Bush knows this. He also knows Kerry cannot admit this. That is why Kerry is in such a jam.

Anyone can mock anyone. Kerry is being "Gored" by reporters in a more subtle way than in 2000. They constantly challenge and parse what Kerry says while giving Bush a total pass. The "reporters" are also starting to use the mannerisms of Bush when reporting about Kerry. These are real problems and I know of no solution.

I can't believe your post hasn't been locked yet as the flame bait POS it is...

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I'm VERY happy with Kerry! :bounce: Plus Dean and Clark were no longer running when the CA primary came along.

Glad. Ecstatic.

Hey, why not be honest and switch Dean's name to Kucinich. Dean wasn't really against the war.

You are among the many that was fooled by Dean's faux liberalism. And I'll never grow tired of rubbing that fact in whenever whiners like you pollute the board with shit like your post.

and I would do it again. Sorry, but I wasn't fooled by faux liberalism the media and other campaigns attempted to pin on him.

In fact, it was his distinct lack of certain liberal characteristics borne by most of the others that attracted my support in the first place.

There was never anything particularly "liberal" about being against pre-emptive war. The concept is nothing more than simple compliance with long established principles of international law. It is unfortunate that many members of congress lost sight of that.

All that being said, I am volunteering for Kerry and will vote for him this November.

And try really HEARING him.

Your perception is pure Rovian.

If I hadn't voted for Edwards, I would have voted for Kerry. If Kerry wasn't there, I would have gone for Clark. After Clark . . . I don't know maybe Lieberman or I would have written in Bruce Springsteen's name or something. I was never on the Dean bandwagon; I still don't quite understand what the hell that was all about.

It is flamebait.

I did...

Heaven forbid anyone criticize Kerry.

it's reasonable to conclude that Rove handpicked Kerry to be the Democrat candidate.

"Democrat" is a RW bastardization of the party's name. JK is the Democratic candidate

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Unless my early suspicions that he struck a deal with his Skull & Bones neocons buddies to lose this one were correct.

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he's fully supporting our nominee. Using him in your argument makes your motives appear questionable, especially since the gist of your concern comes after the first paragraph and has nothing to do with Dean.

Dean was quoted as saying he thought he represented the centrist wing of the Democratic Party. I guess all that democratic wing of the Democratic party stuff was only for the liberal primary voters.

Do you regret not voting for Kucinich who raised those same questions before Dean did and didn't stop asking them?

I liked both Dean and Kerry for different reasons. by the time my primary rolled around Kerry had won and Dean was enthusiastically supporting Kerry.

Kerry is the nominee. Kerry has my support. I'm not going to the places you seem to want to take us.

If Kerry loses in November, I'll start thinking about what went wrong. For now I'll settle for getting Bush out of office.

Sorry, it doesn't count when it is an opinion. Say whatever you like, but I watched congress hammer this one out. The ONLY one in the senate who clearly stated the motive of the administration was Senator Robert Byrd. This is a "blank check."

Other democrats wanted to trust the administration to do what it said it would do. Rather than call out those who trusted Bush, to do as he promised to proceed, it would be wiser to say this administration was and is untrustworthy.

If you think Dean would have had clear sailing you are out of your mind.
He would have been rumored as afraid to defend the country, etc. And that would be the potential democratic votes.....the GOP on the other hand would have hung him every chance they got. They have a much tougher mission now because they can't use that defense.

Ultimately this will backfire, because they are showing they don't support the veterans then or now. Again the question is, why don't the GOP support the troups? Kerry has clearly supported their benefits, healthcare, housing, etc.

President Clinton said on the Daily Show, let them bring up the topic, because Kerry has nothing to hide and years of proof in the senate. Kerry is an honorable man.

time Kerry had been the assumed nominee for months.

You're actually doing a disservice to the Howard Dean by posting this thread. He's putting his all into defeating Bush* and supporting Kerry; he's a senior advisor to the campaign.

I think that Kerry made a mistake in that he should have been more forceful and candid with his comments about his IWR vote. The campaign should have seen that coming even before he was nominated. But that doesn't mean I won't vote for him.

Also, it's my impression that Kerry did say that his vote was predicated on the understanding that Bush* would exhaust all diplomatic and other options before rushing to war, which Bush* of course did not do. Now I guessed at the time that Bush* wouldn't do that, and so did many others. Maybe Kerry wasn't so sure.

Kerry was my first choice before clark got in the race. Once Clark got in, it was Clark and then Kerry. Dean was not on my list because he didn't have foreign policy/national security experience. And to be perfectly honest, I thank God he is NOT the nominee.

I've read Kerry's statements about Iraq before and after the Iraq vote, and he's been very consistent. Too bad most people don't remember what Kerry said before the vote.

But I would have voted for Kerry if that race had been close. I have great respect for Dean. Kerry is our nominee. I have no respect for Bush. That about covers it.

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what you're all saying is:

I don't care if Kerry would vote for the war today, even knowing what he knows nows. (What he knows now is that that the Iraq illegal invasion was another American crime against humanity, WMD were used as the reason, no WMD were found).

But since his name is Kerry (5 letters) and not Bush (4 letters), I am voting for him.

Oooookay, I just wanted to know.

:shrug: Yeah, that's a tough decision. :crazy:

and see what he said

Because I truly doubt that's a quote.

That's because they are Democrats to begin with and almost all Democrats are far better than the best Republican I could ever possibly hallucinate. They only let me vote once per election though. Let's see, what should I do with my one vote in November? Gee, that's a tough one...

We all had our own reasons for voting for our particular choice..

I'm just glad it's over and we're Moving On!

but i now believe kerry is the right pick at this time in history to take on the bush administration.

i do prefer many of dean's policies, his toughness, his ability to fire up a crowd and ignite the base, but i believe kerry is the man to take bush down.

it's a must that we have a man with a military background to stand up to bush on terror, because unfortunately, that's what it's going to come down to this november, protecting the homeland.

bush and cheney have NOTHING on john kerry. and i believe he WILL be elected, and will be one of our best presidents.


so i'm glad i voted for dean in the primary, but i'm glad in the end, kerry's the one to go against bush.

He relished the thought of facing off with Dean.

because that sure was some bitter whine

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