If Hillery Clinton was ahead she wouldn't give a shit about Florida or Michigan

The only reason she is making a fuss is because she is losing. Period!

And, she is trying to put it in line with the Abolitionist Movement, and Women's Suffrage. Give me a break.

but a Susan B. Anthony or Elizabeth Cady Stanton she ain't.

and changes it whenever it suits them?

Sep 1, 2007 4:02 PM
Clinton Campaign Statement

"We believe Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada and South Carolina play a unique and special role in the nominating process.

And we believe the DNC’s rules and its calendar provide the necessary structure to respect and honor that role.

Thus, we will be signing the pledge to adhere to the DNC approved nominating calendar."

We've had almost 8 years of a president who thinks he's above the rule of law, who says one thing and does another, who pisses on the country and tells us its raining. We sure as hell don't need another.

"We need to stay the course" "We need to stay the course" "We need to stay the course"


I NEVER SAID "WE NEED TO STAY THE COURSE"

George jackass tried like hell to ruin our country but it's not going to work BUSH!!


We've already seen the similarities. Now give Obama the final delegates and let's get on to saving our country! We can't afford your stupid spotlight!

what has he said or done for Michigan? In Michigan none of the candidates are very impressive about "caring" about the voters here.

Too bad for him Michiganders could see through that load of pure BS.

He is a panderer of the worst kind. Take it from a resident of a state he governed.

Offers from the MI State Democratic Party, from MI Democratic Leaders,

and Hillary said no.

and a the delegate split 69-59 C/O with no supers.

Hillary said no. It is not up to Obama, it is up to the DNC. And, I fully expect Obama to accept the ruling on the 31st.

that Howard Dean has acknowledged that they, the committee, the party, the candidates themselves..never expected this to go on so long. So the committee felt empowered to implement a totally unnecessary and highly questionable responses-strip all delegates. Dumb, dumb, move.

So people can blame whomever they want. The fact is, this can of worms has been kicked down the road so many times--none of them look above board. Including Obama. This OP is trying to say that somehow Clinton is the smarmier candidate for wanting a solution that appears to favor her.

So what? That's unexpected? Obama and any other candidate would do and has done the same.

There will be votes in Michigan for Obama in the GE. But I think its important for people to remember that Michigan is a far more independent state than it has ever been. Its just my impression but in Michigan people care far more about the GE than they do about a primary vote.

to disenfranchise voters. And you would be yelling, "see? she is evil! She is a republican trying to disenfranchise voters!"

She is a hypocrite.

leave it like it is.

Interjecting your opinion about what someone else will or won't do under alternate circumstances is not a convincing argument. You do realize that, right??

opinion about what Clinton would or would not do.

Jeez.

instead of trying to undermine & destroy her campaign.

they are in a race. Competing. The race is not over, although one is ahead.

Quiting has never been a strategy.

You've lost when there's no realistic, legal & moral way for you to win.

The competition for the Democratic nomination is over. Clinton has lost. Its time for her to swallow her pride & back the presumptive Democratic nominee.

perspective? What is the purpose of the convention? How many others have been told to quit just because they are behind? How many others have taken it to the convention?

Obama has not won and cannot win without superdelegates.

Obama hasn't won the nomination - but it's a certainty that he will. He only needs 54 delegates.

Clinton needs 245 delegates to win the nomination.

There are 126 delegates available - both SDs and in the upcoming primaries. When the primaries are done, that will leave 40 SDs to commit.

Obama will need 10, Clinton will need 200. Where are they going to come from?

Neither can with without SDs. And, of course "committed SD's" can change their minds.

The race is not over.

And to call for the opponent to quit is: mind boggling, although a good political strategy.

Or Kucinich either, for that matter. Or Gravel.

There's 40 available. Obama needs 10. Clinton needs 200. Where are they going to come from?

And I bet, had Edwards the funding, he would have been..

I no longer have a dog in this fight and think both our two biggest losers under the agreed upon rules are flawed and may very hand the Republicans their first legitimate victory in over a decade.

None of our candidates managed to win under the rules, and no matter who is nominated -- Clinton, Obama, or a third choice-- he or she will have to be dragged over the finish line by unelected super delegates. And whoever that person is, albeit selected by a very imperfect and undemocratic process, he or she will the the legitimate nominee of the Democratic Party under the rules we have.

And 100% right! Not one of them will EVER admit it though.

Harold Ickes wrote some of the rules that prevented them from counting. But ignorance is bliss I suppose.

I imagine that if he were behind and all roads lead to a Hillary confirmation he would bow out gracefully like Edward and the rest of them did.

Ha! They are so pathetic. What the hell has happened to the Clintons? Or were they always like this?

That is how much she cared about them before she was losing.

Just asking. :shrug:

She's doing what politicians do. If the situation was reversed, I believe that Obama would try to get FL and MI seated in his favor as well. I think that he would do it more with a behind-the-scenes type of way though. Hillary's main mistake is making such a public mockery of the DNC. The R&BC won't look kindly upon her because of this.

If she gave a shit about the FL and MI elections rather than about herself, she would have been making the case she's making now all along. Instead she jumped on the "count their votes" bandwagon only after realizing she couldn't win without them.

She is a crass opportunist using pretzel logic to make her case.

Works both ways.

....just to benefit your candidate.

Indeed, switch it around, as some posters have indicated here, and who would be fighting for Florida and Michigan?

All 50 states must be guaranteed equal and full participation in both the primary AND general election processes.

That is the life-blood of a republic - full and equal participation by ALL the people.

FL and MI did. Get that straight.

http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:i1Dy8...



The Democratic Party Charter does NOT allow for DNC rules and sanctions that violate that charter. ALL VOTES COUNT! ALL ELECTIONS COUNT!

has demonstrated any interest in voting rights. After the outrages of Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004, why hasn't something been done to address caging, voter intimidation, and unreliable voting machines, especially since the Democratic takeover of the House and Senate in 2006.

Oh, they'll whine if their own tallies come up short and their own cushy jobs and ambitions are thwarted; but otherwise they don't give a damn.

May 14, 2008: Barack Obama starts Michigan visit at home of Reagan Democrats
http://blog.mlive.com/grpress/2008/05/obama_starts_michigan_visit_at.html

May 14, 2008: Obama’s Michigan Trip
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/05/14/obamas-michigan-trip/

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/mihome


May 23, 2008: Obama: Cuba policy to be based on 'libertad'
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/23/obama.cuban.americans/

May. 24, 2008: Presidential contender Barack Obama promised Florida voters
http://www.miamiherald.com/457/story/545275.html

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/flhome

Read the OP to get the subject matter of the thread, please.

have the leaders of the DEM party of their respective states to blame and no one else. IMO, if they are going to seat the delegates both states should be split 50/50 because the elections were not fair. Period.

Hillary should try and gather what dignity she has left and find a way of working with the DNC to find as bloodless a way possible to solve this problem and bow out with a little grace and regard for the party.

And, as a voter in Florida, I reserve the right to choose for myself who gets the blame.

representatives because they had just found out that our votes would not count. I found it kind of amazing that these women who usually just read the news were actually pleading with the people in SW Florida to help stop this fiasco.

So yea it is not the people's fault. And personally when I went to vote I really did not think my vote would count for anything. But how many people didn't even both to vote because they knew their voices would not be heard? Who is going to count their votes and how? They have been disenfranchised also. Same with Michigan only worse because the only choice they got was Clinton or "undecided" I don't understand how anyone could think that is a fair election and should count. I sucks really bad but another "appointed" winner is the fucking last thing this country needs.

I think if the situation were different Obama would gracefully accept the situation. One thing I admire about Obama is his honesty. He signed the same pledge and I believe if the election process as it stands didn't go his way he would have accepted it with grace.

She completely understood the rules before this all began.

I'm very annoyed - and concerned - about the spin she's putting on this now. It's very unsettling.

:hi:

She's kind of a mystery to me. Does she not think people KNOW that's her motive?
The only ones buying it are her diehard supporters who buy all her lies. :shrug:

I guess when you only talk with those people every day, it's easy to kid yourself.