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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:43 AM
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It had to be like this...
Edited on Sun May-25-08 09:05 AM by Vyan

This is how it had to end.

No one was going to push Hillary out of this race, except Hillary. No one was going to invent some genius argument, that was going to convince her or her supporters that her candidacy had to end - she had to do it herself.

Of course, it's not going to end. It's going to limp on for a few more weeks, it might even get worse for her as she attempts, as she has so many times before, to lash out at the invisible enemies who have so spitefully held her back, and blocked her inevitable coronation.

It had to finally be revealed that Hillary's greatest foe, her greatest downfall, is Hillary.

The truly sad thing is that I think many of us are fully aware that Hillary probably didn't mean to deliberately build the construction that she needed to stay in the race purely because Barack Might Get Shot.

She's been saying over and over again how she's the "better candidate", and that's the reason she's continued to fight on. Frankly, looking at the Electoral Vote Map, she has a point.

Even as of today the state-by-state polls indicate she has a lead over McCain of 312 to 202 Electoral votes with 270 being needed to win the Presidency. That's practically a blow-out.

The thing is that winning isn't everything.

There's also the question of "Who would make the Better President?"

What Hillary has shown us again and again, long before this latest rhetorical blunder, is that it wouldn't be her.

She was against seating the delegates in Michigan and Florida before she was for seating them. She and her campaign gleefully exploited the Secret-Muslim smears, the links to a "Slum Lord", to an ex-Hippie Radical whose never been charged or indicted with anything, and his links to the outrageous black preacher - look he's black and angry and stuff - with the verbal diarrhea problem. (Not that any of them have ever spoken for Barack, but who cares?) She claimed we shouldn't just count the votes from 48 States, we should count all the votes - except for the caucus states she didn't win. We've heard her claim that the "little states" don't count when she doesn't win them, but that they show that "Barack can't close the deal" when she does. We've heard Geraldine give us the "Barack wouldn't be where he was if he was white" upper-cut, while Hillary herself delivers the round-house that his problem is that "He can't get the poor dumb white voters", and she can.

And all the while, the real reason she hasn't already won the nomination is because of all the sexism!?

Yeah, right.

If this was about just the one RFK statment, it woudn't be so bad. But we've already heard her claim that MLK wasn't as important as LBJ right on top of the 40 anniversary of Martin's murder. Why should we be surprised when she didn't know that she should have stopped with the insensitive crazy talk back then, and has now basically did the exact same thing to RFK and his memory?

I know some of her supporters feel that all she's done if fight hard and I agree we do need Democrats to fight hard for what they believe in. But what is it that she's shown she believes in here? That MLK doesn't matter? That she's Hubert Humphrey waiting in the wings for Kennedy's fall only to lose in November to Nixon? That truth is only viable when it's expedient? That some white people are irredeemably racist, and she doesn't care? That instead she's willing to exploit fear and paranoia of a black man, who couldn't possibly love America as much as she does or they do, while claiming she's the victim of gender prejudice? What, just cuz Chris Matthews is a condescending prick? Grow up. Have these all just been political arguments that have nothing to do with how she really thinks or how she would really govern?

Which version of Hillary are you guys supporting? Do you think you get to pick your personal favorite and go with that?

This is not how we need a potentially leader of the free world to be thinking, speaking or acting. They're supposed to be fighting for us, not just for themselves. If the RFK comment was her response to a 3 A.M. wake-up call, she just flubbed it and started World War III with most of America. Nobody makes you take the Low-Road, it's not a mandate, it's not a requirement - it's a choice. There's always a better option. She has simply made the wrong call - repeatedly - because she thought she could get away with it. She thought "it's just politics", instead of it being a complete lack of character. It's not just politics, it's clearly a part of who she is, and she's not getting away with it. Not anymore.

It's time for Hillary's supporters, to realize they made an honest mistake. Yes, she does seem like a great candidate on paper. Electorally it makes sense. It's true that she would probably win the Presidency more easily than Barack and that feeling that way can be easily understood, forgiven and forgotten. In the heat of a passionate campaign, we can all sometimes say things we don't literally mean, it can get away from us. But now it's time to face the facts.

Her campaign is in it's last throes. She's not going to be the nominee. She's not going to the be VP. She's out. She's probably going to continue to hang around, continue to get a few more charity/protest votes in Puerto Rico, but then - it's over.

This isn't a construction of the media. This isn't the boys club trying to squeeze her out. She's been dancing on the edge of the rhetorical cliff for months now. We all know it. Many of her supporters have happily cheered her on with each new dazzling kick and spin move. But you have to know she's been flirting with total disaster and devastation all along. It's been the kitchen-sink/scorched earth strategy for a long time. Now she's finally gone tumbling down the cliff and Nobody pushed her.

She fell off the cliff all by herself.

That's the way it had to go. It wouldn't have been tolerated if Barack had cut her off at the knees. He would've become the bad guy. The big black meany man who stole her Presidency from her. But that's not what happened. Nobody can claim that Barack knee-capped our first potential female President. She just lost.

She utterly failed the Commander-and-Chief test.

I'm not gleeful about this. I'm not joyful. I'm just relieved that it just might - just might - be nearly done with. I'm telling you this has not be fun to watch. Democrats clawing at Democrats. Friendships broken. Families going at each other. It's been H.E.L.L.

That is why people have wanted this to come to an end. We've needed to put her out of our misery. It's not about June. It's the fact that you don't count the length of campaign from the finish line backward, you count it from the beginning. This campaign has essentially been going on for a year and a half already. The only reason anyone might have wanted Hillary out of the race, beside the fact that she hasn't been able to statistically win for weeks, is that they are just plain SICK AND TIRED OF IT ALL.

22 debates. 22 Friggin Debates. Enough already. We get it. We know who we want, we don't want Hillary. Sorry, but that the way it is.

The one thing I have to thank Hillary for - in a sad, sick way - is making Barack a better candidate than he had been. McCain can't play the "He's a Negro" dog-whistle game on him, she's already done it and still lost. He can't argue that he's "too inexperienced", because with experience and judgment like her's - we obviously need more rookies. Obama is now innoculated on Reverend Wright, on William Aires and on Tony Rezzco. He's teflon. Unbreakable.

During all these challenges Obama has shown us a grace, class, dignity and clarity of vision that is rare and awe inspiring. His speech in Philadelphia was historic. That's how we need a someone to respond under pressure. These primaries have shown why we need a President like Barack Obama. This is the guy I want answering the crisis phone at 3 a.m. and at 2 p.m.

So, yes in a way, we owe Hillary our thanks.

It's also true that during her various attacks Barack suffered Electorally. Back on May 5th, Obama and McCain were in a dead-heat with 264 to 263 Electoral Votes respectively.

After Hillary hit him with Bitter-gate and "He's an Elitist who doesn't relate to hard-working blue collar (white) Americans" Barack lost ground not just in West Virginia, but in Texas, Florida, Wisconsin and Michigan falling behind McCain 290 to 237 on May 11th.

But today - literally today,just a single day after Hillary's campaign has taken what may well be a mortal wound - Barack has flipped the map by gaining ground in New Mexico, Ohio and Virginia. He now has regained the lead with 266 to 248.

He still has to break the tie in both Indiana and Virginia, as well as hold his leads in New Mexico, Ohio and Missouri to win. But it's possible he could do that and take back Wisconsin, Michigan and South Carolina. Sure, it could also go back the other way, there are quite a few states at play, including red ones, But today, for the first time, if just a few things go his way, it looks like Obama could win by an Electoral Land-Slide!

And we have Hillary to thank for that. Somebody had to air out of Barack's near-dirty laundry, better it was Hillary now than McCain in November.

It had to be this way.

By finally exiting the race, and not seeking to use her delegate votes to engineer some kind of Shotgun Wedding as VP, Hillary will be doing us all a great service.

She just might've saved this country, from both McCain and herself.

Vyan

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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:46 AM
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1. I don't think she did anything that bad.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:49 AM
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2. She invoked the worst fears of many in the African American community...
...and the community at large for her own personal political gain.

NGU.


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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:52 AM
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4. I think she was just providing examples of summer campaigns.
I think this thing has been over thought. I respect your opinion.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:54 AM
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5. There are better examples that don't raise the spectre of bloody, horrid death.
And I respect your opinion too. I've heard other DUers speak very highly of you.

Peace. :toast:

NGU.


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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:58 AM
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6. I agree.
She should have used Hart and Mondale. But I do not believe that she wants harm to come to Obama.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:59 AM
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8. I do not believe that she wants harm to come to Obama either. But I believe she IS...
...trying to manipulate fears. And when you play with that kind of fire, lots of people get burned. Bad.

NGU.


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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:06 AM
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9. ...
I don't think we are going to see eye to eye on this issue. So while I disagree I respect your opinion. You do make some good points.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:17 AM
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11. I'm glad you respect my opinion. So despite your disagreement, I'm sure you can...
...empathize with the fact that hearing the comment the first time made me physically ill. And I'm normally a lot more jaded than that. So if I had that strong a reaction, just imagine how it made our brothers and sisters in the black community feel. Or the Obamas themselves.

Thanks for being an ally.

NGU.


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Vyan Donating Member (990 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:58 AM
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7. Taken by itself
this one comment could easily been taken as not that bad, and not negatively intended. But she's said it three times previously and in each case her historical representation was wrong. Yes, technically Bill Clinton didn't hit the numerically needed number for the nomination until June, but it has already been a couple months since it was clear he was going to win. The only person still challenging him in June was Jerry Brown, and sure Jerry won California where he'd previously been Governor - but he didn't become the nominee. He lost.

So if that was her point, she's Brown - the loser. The 1968 option still makes her Hubert Humphrey - the loser in the general election.

Never mind the entire "assasination" riff - it was still a horror-show of a comment.

Vyan
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:17 PM
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22. she has and some day, when your candidate fervor subsides,
you will see it too. I defended bill clinton like a wolverine and now that my candidate fervor has subsided, i can see what he is. it might take a while but it will happen.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:52 AM
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3. "She fell off the cliff all by herself." You have encapsulated her entire
campaign and the feelings of most of us about it in a beautifully-written piece of prose. Bookmarked, K and HIGHLY Recommended !

Thank you ! :hug:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:12 AM
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10. Kick'd, Rec'd and Bookmark'd
This says all that needs to be said
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sktmax Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:32 AM
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12. Viral Words .......
Edited on Sun May-25-08 09:34 AM by sktmax
Obama, meanwhile, plans to give the commencement speech at Wesleyan University's graduation today in Connecticut, replacing the ailing Ted Kennedy. Obama will be greeted by an unprecedented amount of security. The ceremony will be closed to the public, and guests will have to go through metal detectors. One presidential historian thinks Clinton's loose-lipped reference to assassination raises the danger of someone's targeting Obama. "Everybody, in the back of their minds, has been thinking of this, that Senator Obama could be in danger," said Rick Shenkman, a professor at George Mason University in Virginia. "Now it's out there. It only takes one psycho."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05252008/news/nationalnews/kennedys_feel_bobby_socked_112469.htm

I don't think she was intentionally soliciting bodily harm to Obama, but I think she is very bitter and angry about losing. Her campaign has been very unorganized and she's looking for ways to justify her not stepping out of the race becasue she dosen't know how to exit gracefully. In my view, she and Bill thought they had an automatic win because no black person has ever come close to winning the nomination and their shock and disappointment has led them to say and do some awful things like her "white people statement" for example. They've done more than alot of others in helping the black community. Problem is now it doesn't feel like it was genuine, but instead just for their own personal gain. Bitterness can raise it's head in such ugly ways. Her RFK statement is just one of many gaffe's, but this one, however unintentional the message, could be one that is harmful because of so many crazy people. People jumped on it for various reasons, but the same message that thousands heard "Obama" and "Assasination" in the same sentence, is the same message that crazy killers heard. Hillary of all people, having been 1st lady, should have known better.

Once said........... she can't take it back. All people should be careful about choosing their words.......... it can be viral.



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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:34 AM
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14. this makes me so sad and angry.
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:44 AM
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18. Oh man.
I can't shake the feeling that some racist nutjob thinks Hillary was "speaking to him/her".

She has no idea what she has done and even if you scratched out an explanation in the dirt with a stick right in front of her, she won't get it.

She lives in her own universe and the Obama family now gets to pay for it.

Those poor girls. :(
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Bette Noir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:41 AM
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20. I've read hunnerds and hunnerds of comments on Friday's remarks,
but I haven't seen any yet that refer to the movie, "The Fisher King." That was the second thing I thought of, when I first saw the video of Hillary making her "historical reference," after the image of a cartoon vulture with a napkin tied around it's neck, knife and fork in either hand.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 03:42 AM
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31. She's a lawyer and politician and had 8 years in the White House.
Edited on Mon May-26-08 03:46 AM by TahitiNut
Her CAREER rests on the ability to choose words for their impact on an audience. It's ALL about persuasion and argument and negotiation and campaigning ... words, words, words. She brags about all her 'experience' meeting with leaders and others all over the world. Choosing words is her stock and trade. It's her training. It's her experience.

Those words weren't the private musings of a friend over dinner or a co-worker over a few drinks. It wasn't a private meeting with fund raisers or supporters. It was a meeting with the editorial board of a newspaper. It was the third or fourth time she'd invoked the specter of "assassination" and the press and others kept the lid on those previous utterances - wisely avoiding press hysteria while hoping (believing) it would NOT be repeated. I REFUSE to assess them on the same basis as conversations with neighbors or family or friends ... the bulk of MY (and YOUR) experience. I evaluate them based on the MINIMAL expectations of how someone with her background USES WORDS TO CREATE AN IMPACT.

She doesn't get a pass from me on that. NO POLITICIAN WOULD.

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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:32 AM
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13. kicked and recommended.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 09:46 AM
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15. Outstanding post. Recommended. n/t
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:09 AM
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16. excellent post K&R
Hillary "just might've saved this country from both McCain and herself."

I think so. :)

:kick:
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Yael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:41 AM
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17. Outstanding writeup.
Wow!

K&R and bookmarking.
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merkins Donating Member (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 10:49 AM
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19. Stellar Post Vyan .. thanks!
K&R
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 11:44 AM
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21. thank you for a great post.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:37 PM
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23. Y'all are being mighty gracious
regarding someone who has shown that she has not even one single scruple left.

We're talking about a BRILLIANT woman who has a BRILLIANT husband (as in they both rank very high on the intelligence scale) and both of them have shown time and again during this campaign that they will do ANYTHING to keep her chances alive. Innuendo, distortions, flat-out lies, fuzzy math, third-grade math, and surrogates who use the same tactics over and over (witness Debbie Wasserman--Queen of the Vampires--Schultz and her why-is-everybody-so-concerned-about-the-RULES? comments).

As a hardcore liberal Dem who made a foxhole conversion from Republican to Democrat in Vietnam in '69, I am appalled and disgusted by the Clintons' complete and utter disregard for integrity and honesty. We are supposed to be the party of good government and honest government. Oddly enough I was a HUGE Bill fan during his Presidency despite his telecom and NAFTA mistakes. I contributed to his campaigns and even the Monica episode couldn't shake my admiration for him. Then four years ago I got to meet Bill and Hillary when they spoke at the funeral of the son of dear friends of my family. They were both eloquent and moving in their eulogies but it was Hillary who impressed me the most. At that moment I almost forgave her for her vote for the Iraq war, and I saw in her the qualities of compassion and empathy that I thought would make her a good President, unlike the current occupant who, despite his Christian credentials, is neither compassionate nor empathetic.

Now I am convinced that Hillary is unfit for any public office and especially not the Presidency. If we need leaders like her this country is beyond hope or help.

The tag-team of Bill and Hill have a long history of "funny-strange" not funny-haha incidents in their political past. I had always considered those stories to be rabid right-wing b.s. until I googled a topic that a friend had told me about. The list of untimely departures of folks who crossed the Clintons or who were alleged to have had "the goods" on them is long. Long enough that even an avid admirer and supporter (as I was at the time) had to say WTF! after reading about them. Vince Foster is the only one of those folks that most of us Clinton supporters had heard about and, of course, we all considered that more propaganda from the likes of Hillary's (newfound) ally Richard Mellon Scaife. But there are others who were close associates, political allies and some who were just innocent bystanders unlucky enough to be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

Barack Obama is--in the eyes of Hillary and Bill--in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Hillary is a consummate politician, a lawyer, an intimate of Presidents, Prime Ministers and those who head Intelligence Agencies around the world, and the ultimate climber. She chooses her words carefully. She, far better than most of us, knows the power of words. Her comments about Bobby Kennedy were no accident, just as her anti-NAFTA stance, and her hard-working white voters comments were no accident. She is a wordsmith and a person who understands that a loaded phrase at the right time can change the outcome of a critical negotiation or an election.

Does anyone really believe that the person who said she would "annihilate Iran" would hesitate to have one uppity Senator removed from her path to the most powerful position in the world?

I hope beyond hope that I am wrong.


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enough already Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:18 PM
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27. Hopefully this ends any chance of her being Obama's veep
She needs to leave the public stage....completely. The 2 of them are beyond contempt.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 02:00 AM
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28. Good stuff, bertman and Vyan. Recommended.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 03:49 AM
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32. Welcome home, bro.
US Army, USARV HQ Co. Jan-Nov 1969, Long Binh, E5, 74F20 (REMF)

:patriot:
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Howler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:38 PM
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24. Vyan
Wow! really well said.:applause:
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 12:48 PM
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25. Great post. I just hope she will get out soon.
I'm sick of this whole thing. I want to move on to the GE and be rid of all this negativity, it's depressing.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-25-08 08:06 PM
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26. Humphrey was ahead, her "reference" was inaccurate but intentional
the only point in bringing up the RFK reference was to blow the silent
dog whistle to her supporter nuts.

She MEANS what she says.

This is part of her kitchen sink.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 03:16 AM
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29. She's batshit crazy.
Batshit fucking crazy!
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-26-08 03:32 AM
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30. Excellent summation. Bravo.
:applause:
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