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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:49 PM
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Court case tomorrow could render the May 31 DNC delegate decision moot.
Edited on Tue May-27-08 11:05 PM by madfloridian
This is the fellow who vows to keep on with a lawsuit of one kind or the other.

In other words, he and his lawyer plan to keep filing, even on to the Supreme Court. There are already precedents in favor of the DNC, but that doesn't matter to them.

Court case could render DNC decision moot

Everyone is looking ahead to May 31st, the day the DNC will meet and decide what to do with the delegates from Florida and Michigan. However, a lawsuit in federal court could render this meeting moot, at least as far as Florida is concerned.

You may recall a Tampa man named Vincent DiMaio filed a lawsuit against the DNC seeking to have the delegates seated based on the results of the election. A Federal Appeals Court rejected the lawsuit back in March, but left it open for DiMaio to amend his suit and refile it. He has. Now a ruling on the case could be made just days before the DNC's scheduled meeting.

DiMaio has now filed a Motion for Summary Judgment in his case. Overly simplified, this means he's asking the Court to agree with his assertion that the DNC should seat the delegates without any further pleadings or trial. There hasn't been a ruling by the district court. However, (update) according to the Court's docket, a hearing on the motion is set for May 28th in federal court in Tampa. A ruling will likely be made at the hearing as the DNC is scheduled to meet on May 31st to decide what to do with the delegates. A motion to expedite the process has been filed by DiMaio and the DNC has already filed its response to the Summary Judgment Motion.

If the Court grants the Motion, it could order the DNC to seat the delegates as they were elected under state party rule. The DNC can of course appeal this decision, but in the meantime, it may have to go ahead and seat the delegates as they are, without any compromise, until an Appeals Court can make a ruling on the decision.


What a confused mess. The lawsuit is to be heard tomorrow morning, and there was a protest in Tampa tonight to get attention.

Whoopee, another Florida protest

CNN) – Victor DiMaio, the plaintiff in a refiled lawsuit aimed at forcing the DNC to seat Florida’s delegates to the Democratic convention, has announced that a protest will be held in Tampa, Florida on the eve of the hearing in his case.

The “lawsuit was filed long before the first vote was ever cast or counted,” DiMaio said in a statement released Monday. “How do you ignore the fourth largest state in the nation and millions of Florida voters who exercised their right to vote?,” he added.


DiMaio says he is uncommitted, but this does not sound that way.

Throughout the 10 months since DiMaio originally filed suit, he has insisted that he hasn’t had a dog in the hunt, so to speak. But recently, he appeared on a local television talk show where he argued that Hillary Clinton would be a stronger candidate in the fall against John McCain. And unsolicited, he mentioned Obama’s decision in Michigan.


I have looking for updates on the protest, but nothing locally yet.

I do not think any solution brought Saturday at the DNC will decide this thing. Florida Democrats have gotten themselves in so deep, and yes, I include the Clinton campaign...that they are stuck in the mud of lies and distortions and don't know how to get out. :shrug:






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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:52 PM
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:54 PM
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3. I don't think she will accept that ruling.
I really don't think she will.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:03 PM
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5. What authority does she have to accept or reject that ruling? I think the RBC decision will be final
no matter what.


If she wants to continue complaining that is her problem.


This court case will be dismissed.. again and the RBC will go with the 1/2 delegate compromise in FL (with full SDs)


Just my opinion of course.. but I am not very worried about this. If the RBC accepts both compromise proposals by the states it only nets Hillary 28 pledged delegates. Obama's lead would still be about 133. It won't make a difference.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:03 PM
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8. I like your opinion and hope you are right.
But it won't heal the anger here I fear.
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Hardrada Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 10:53 PM
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2. It's Florida again. Of course.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:00 PM
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4. Oh what grounds should the DNC be prevented from policing itself?
Edited on Tue May-27-08 11:09 PM by rocknation
What jurisdiction does the court have over the DNC's--well, jurisdiction?

:shrug:
rocknation
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:03 PM
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6. They have not had in the past. However....
With all the lawsuits from Florida and the tenor of the new conservative courts...you never know.

They are suing on civil rights...saying Dean is discriminating against white people in Florida.
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wileedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:21 AM
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18. Whoa, wait what?
"They are suing on civil rights...saying Dean is discriminating against white people in Florida."

Is that seriously the premise of the suit they are filing? For real?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:25 AM
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20. Yes, here are the words they use....really weird stuff.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/2024

"South Carolina and Nevada were allowed to hold their primaries before February 5th because the high percentage of blacks and Hispanics in those states helped compensate for the pasty complexion of Iowa and New Hampshire.

That's the basis for an amended legal filing planned by Tampa Democratic activist, Victor Dimaio and attorney Michael Steinberg who are suing to have Florida's entire Democratic delegation seated at the National Convention in Denver this summer. DiMaio's original lawsuit claimed the DNC's punishment of Florida violated the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment, but that suit was kicked back by the federal appeals court in Atlanta. Steinberg had a brainstorm when he read discovery papers in a similar lawsuit filed by Senator Bill Nelson that showed the DNC put South Carolina and Nevada's primary dates ahead of 46 other states to give minorities more of a voice in the nominating process. Since the DNC receives federal money to hold their convention, the party is subject to federal civil rights law.

"What an interesting turn of the worm. Sometime next week, we may have democrats suing democrats for carrying out a very democratic policy of advancing minorities. Steinberg and DiMaio acknowledge with a grin that their reverse racism accusation will ruffle feathers, but hope the conservative judiciary will be delighted to strike a blow against affirmative action and rule in their favor. Their only objective, they claim, is to see all of Florida's delegates seated based on the January 31st primary election."

The post is long, but a lot of stuff.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:03 PM
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7. It doesn't, that is why the case will be dismissed.. again
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:05 PM
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9. Let em win. It doesnt matter anymore with regards to Florida.
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Duke Newcombe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:10 PM
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10. Who exactly is this clown. And what background does he have. n/t
Duke

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:12 PM
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11. This is some sorry ass shit we continue to have to witness........
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:14 PM
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12. Victor DiMaio in an earlier court case
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-27-08 11:47 PM
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13. A dingleberry on the ass of an incontinent polar bear would be a better candidate than McCain. n/t
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Youphemism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:07 AM
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14. The courts won't do anything

They had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, into Bush Vs. Gore. They only did it as a last resort in a general election.

Parties get to run primaries the way they like. The courts will not intervene.
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smiley_glad_hands Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:15 AM
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15. If Fla wasn't so red, I'd say this is a non starter.
Seems to me that the courts would have to wait until after the RBC meets this weekend to even consider this.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:18 AM
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16. How does the DNC trump "state's rights?"
If state legislatures pass laws how is it that a committee of a political party gets to trump the state rules?
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:21 AM
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17. Because that's the law of the land. The DNC trumps the state party chair.
It's been to court before.
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:23 AM
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19. Because ultimately the national party is a private organization
and can do whatever it likes.
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:36 AM
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21. The 11th Cir. has dismissed a similar lawsuit already because it lacked any merit
This lawsuit has no chance and will be dismissed for a lack of merit. The 11th Cir. has already dismissed one similar lawsuit becuase it lacked merit. The Democratic party is a private organization and has the right to establish rules for when primaries may be held. Florida broke those rules and the DNC gets to decide the consequences for such violations.
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AllentownJake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:42 AM
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22. The party
could decide the nominee based on a rock paper scissors contest and it would be legal.
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SoFlaJet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:50 AM
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23. this one never gets old...
From americanstranger Fri May-23-08 05:15 PM
4. An imaginary hearing....


Judge: Why is the plaintiff filing this suit?

Plaintiff: Because the DNC told us if we moved our primary, the results wouldn't count and our delegates would not be seated.

Judge: So what happened then?

Plaintiff: We moved our primary, and the results didn't count and the delegates have not been seated.

Judge: Case dismissed. Next....
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