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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:29 AM
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Hillary -- a trailblazer
It is no secret that I support Obama. It is no secret I have multiple issues with Clinton. But there is one clear overwhelming aspect about her campaign that no one can deny.

She blazed a trail that other can follow. It was once unheard of that a woman would attempt to run for president. On the occasion one tried, defeat was expected from the start.

I ma guessing that few will recognize more than 5 of the names below, and certainly not because of their electoral achievements in a presidential contest:

Victoria Chaflin Woodhull
Belva Ann Bennet McNall Lockwood
Whitney H. Slocomb
Margaret Chase Smith
Charlene Mitchell
Shirley Anita St. Hill Chisholm
Patsy Takamoto Mink
Bella Savitzky Abzug
Linda J. Osteen Jenhess
Ellen McCormack
Deidre Griswold
Maureen Smith
Sonia Johnson
Isabelle Masters
Patricia Scott Schroeder
Leonora B. Fulani
Millie Howard
Helen Betty Halyard
Heather Anne Harder
Mary Cal Hollis
Susan Duncan
Ann Jennings
Joan Pharr
Mary Frances Le Tulle
Georgina H. Doerschuck
Elvena Hoyd-Duffie
Monica Moorehead
Dianne Beall Templin
Marsha Feinland
Elizabeth Hanford Dole
Cathy Gordon Brown
Temperance Alesha Lance-Council
Paula E Bennet
Deborah Katz Pueschel
Angel Joy Rocker
Dorian Yaeger
Rachelle OneFamily Miller
Raj Alison Officewala
Yehanna Joan Malone
Gloria Dawn Strickland
Lynda D. Blodgett
Saundra S. Duffy
Carol Mosley Braun
Mildred A. Williams Glover
Jeanne Chebib
Georgia L. Hough
Melanie G. Pridgen
Diana Ramsey-Rasmussen-Kennedy IV
Deborah Elaine Allen
Joy Elaina Graham-Pendergast
Jackie Hayward
Debra Joyce Renderos
Nancy Warrick

http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/

But Hillary broke through the barriers these others could not remotely budge, and left them open for more to follow. She brought forth a paradigm shift in the way the U.S. electorate views women candidates. Though her ultimate goal of the oval office was not meant to be this year, she did blaze a trail that needed to cut through the wilderness that is American politics. That trail will never be overgrown. For that, we all owe her our deepest thanks, our congratulations and our admiration.

Robert Baden-Powell, the Englishman who started Boy Scouting put it best:

No one can pass through life, any more than (s)he can pass through a bit of country, without leaving tracks behind, and those tracks may often be helpful to those coming after (her) in finding their way.

Though I cannot speak for all males of this nation, or by any means any female of this nation. I can speak for myself and say.

Thank you Senator Clinton. You have cleared the way for an ignored 50% of competent individuals to lead this nation in our future.
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:33 AM
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1. Up until a couple of months back, I would have agreed
But the longer she stays in an already lost race the more I think she's setting the cause of women running for President backwards instead of forwards.

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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:38 AM
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2. While I am not happy with some campaign stylings
I think she set did more good than harm to this aspect of things in U.S. politics. Things will never go back to what they were.

I'd really like to have a positive thread here.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:39 AM
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3. I would agree with that.
She's set the woman's movement back.

I'm fine with a female president, but the more her campaign and supporters have morphed her run into some kind of femininst cause, the less interested I am. And the whining and moaning about sexism is off-putting as well.

This is about picking the President of the United States, not some gender crusade. ugh. Hopefully she's taught the next woman what NOT to do.

http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:46 AM
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6. No, it's curmudgeonly to not acknowledge her accomplishment.
She's not setting back women at all. She's the first woman who made the race all the way to the end. It's just going to whet the appetite for some up-and-coming woman politician who's going to look at the Clinton run and say to herself, "I bet *I* could win a presidential election!"

Peace,
sw
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:51 AM
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9. you really think that wouldn't have happened w/o Clinton?
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:55 AM
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10. I would argue
she might not have been the right person at the right time to take it to the GE. But she was the right person at the right time to take this as far down field as she could.

The statement "A woman will be president in my lifetime" will no long be met with laughter or skepticism. (unless the person saying it is 100 years old)
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:01 AM
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12. What do you mean "no longer met with laughter...."
I don't recall it ever being met with laughter or skepticism. Many countries have already had female leaders. It's really not a big deal anymore.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:09 AM
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16. I think it is fair to say the thought of a woman candidate being viable
was clearly laughable to many. Not because women aren't competent, but because it once seemed impossible.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:15 AM
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19. I don't agree with that at all.
How could it seem impossible when so many well known and celebrated world leaders have been women?

http://online.wsj.com/article/declarations.html
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:16 AM
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20. it never happened here.
I don't know why.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:44 AM
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25. Not in the USA.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:30 PM
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38. I'm not sure we're ready for a female President.
Unfortunately that's the lesson I've drawn from this primary.

It has to do with the constant victimization stuff coming from her campaign; how the bloody flag of sexism is raised against anyone who trashes Hillary and anytime Obama says something negative about her (which is what happens during presidential campaigns!). Everything is interpreted through the prism of gender and it gets old and turns people off. And the candidate, instead of trying to rise above it, eggs on that kind of approach and the wallows in self-pity.

In short I don't think we're ready because of how much of an issue has been made about gender by her own supporters.

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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:03 AM
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14. so we needed a former first lady with minimal experience as senator of a state not her own?
no thanks. Dozens of current female senators, governors, former governors better suited.

I don't want to tell my neice, sure, you can grow up to be president as long as your husband is president first.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:07 AM
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15. whatever the reasons
she accomplished what no one before has done.

The reasons can be as grandiose or dubious as you wish, but she nonetheless accomplished something historic that will send shockwaves through future contests.

I have a litany of grievances with her and her campaign. But there is a point of light here, and given my choices I would like to see it shine above and beyond any shadows.
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woolldog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:12 AM
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17. I think she's a bad model.
Edited on Wed May-28-08 01:13 AM by woolldog
I mean maybe if you're a white female who grew up in a privileged background and had a powerful husband, who helped you out, she's a good model.

But I'd like models (or trailblazers if you will) for girls that are more accessible. Genuinely self-made women.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:13 AM
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18. Perhaps, because of her accomplishments in this race
the next one might be. How old is Gov. Sebelius? She certainly meets the model you describe.
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:07 AM
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27. What's most irritating, Woolldog, is that you tack a woman onto a man and make like
SHE happened because of HIM. That's not the way they talk about each other in their respective books.

You know what? They leaned on each other, but each has a long, long political trail, most of which has been successful, IMHO. The OP is correct -- although I don't know why the suggestion is made that most people don't know who these women are. I'm 68 and I knew most of them immediately.

Frankly, it will take EITHER Barack OR Michelle Obama a VERY LONG TIME to live up to our expectations of them in EITHER position.

Cordially,

Radio Lady Ellen (I have been following politics in a politically-charged middle class family for more than 50 years.)

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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:19 AM
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31. "They leaned on each other"? No. She played the traditional feminine role of supporter to the man
for years, while he achieved his ambitions...and then they traded places. But HIS CAREER CAME FIRST.

Why? I can only think it was because: He was the MAN. They knew she would never get anywhere unless he went ahead of her to blaze the trail. Then she could follow in his footsteps as "the wife of."

Through all he made her publicly suffer, she remained "the wife of." Now I think we all understand why. She stifled whatever feelings she may have had to get to where she wanted to go, under the bargain they both made.

But in the bargain, he was always going to go first, because he was the MAN.

Oh, and I recognized about eight of the names.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:43 AM
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24. You bet!!
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:03 AM
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13. Me too.
I fear she has set the date when we will celebrate our first female president back by decades.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:33 AM
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23. No fear. There will be no going back, she hasn't hurt anything for other women. (nt)
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:28 PM
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36. Those older women think we will miss one of the great presidents of our era.
Edited on Wed May-28-08 02:29 PM by Radio_Lady
However, I predicted in 1972 that a black male would become president before a white female (or a woman of ANY color, I might add).

Saturday is my 69th birthday. Right now, I just hope they settle on two good PEOPLE for this race, and electability is one of my goals.

I voted for the person who I thought would have the best chance of electability and experience in the job. YMMV.

White dove for peace -- in the DU, in the White House, and on Planet Earth!



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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:10 AM
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29. beac -- one H short of a beach. Another crystal ball glance by an undeclared come lately.
Edited on Wed May-28-08 02:12 AM by Radio_Lady
Sorry I'm not your welcoming committee. With Democrats like you, who needs Republicans?

Old Man to Young Woman: "Where have you been all my life?"

Young Woman to Old Man: "Well, for most of it, I wasn't born."

Sorry, I've lost my morning cool.

Will try harder tomorrow.

Blessed be -- a dove for peace, for the DU, the President-to-be, our nation and our planet.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:24 PM
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37. SO... you insult me, call me a "beach" (which you Hillbots consider the WORST of insults) and then
ask for peace???????

Yup... typical Hillary supporter!

FYI, I have been reading DU since the 2000 re-count and donated under a previous email addy too.

I was only recently moved to re-sign up to post by your girl's VILE behavior. SHE and her supporters are the Republicans in DINO clothing.

And I'm not so "young" either, Radio Lady, so don't assume. It makes an ass out of you and pisses me off.

-beac


Middle-aged Bitches for Obama!
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:28 PM
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41. beac, let's reset this. I am really sorry this happened.. I apologize for an implied insult.
Edited on Thu May-29-08 12:31 PM by Radio_Lady


Here are some pretty roses and a rainbow!



This is the absolute truth! I only meant your screen name was one letter off from "BEACH" -- and did not even THINK of the other word! I grew up in Florida and we are timeshare owners at Waikiki BEACH in Honolulu, Hawaii!



It's kind of funny, because I also used to be a dog trainer and breeder, and definitely know that word means. I just don't ever use it... although I can swear like a sailor sometimes!

Here's a wet puppy nose -- Boston Terrier, the American Gentleman -- and I do hope you accept my apology.



Peace, love and happiness,

Radio Lady Ellen Kimball in Oregon
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:05 PM
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45. OK, fair enough. Reset done.
And thanks for the puppy nose.

We could all use more of those these days. :)
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Radio_Lady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 12:16 AM
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48. Thanks, I liked that. Yeah, I'd like more friends than foes on this site.
The way things are going around the world, it's a jungle out there.

:hi:
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-30-08 03:34 AM
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49. Now that's a policy we can totally agree on.
Cheers! :)
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:36 AM
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40. Ditto. Except that it's not fact that she stayed in; it's her behavior & statements.
She has truly done a disservice to women in the end. The first part was good, though.

I suspect her campaign will be looked upon in retrospect as one that went down the toilet because of several failures, but that she still made strides for women. But ultimately, she ended up whining that she was being beaten up because she's a girl. And that doesn't really make men think that women can stand on their own accomplishments and take the heat. All political candidates are put thru the wringer. Clinton's wringing came late in the game, and they were surprised and unprepared for it coming at all. She was "entitled" to the win, after all, is the way it seems to me that they viewed it.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:42 AM
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4. There are plenty of women leaders not on that list - why those particular names? nt
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:43 AM
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5. Those are the ones who ran for President.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:01 AM
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11. ok, I missed that (too tired I guess!) and was wondering why VP candidates,
Edited on Wed May-28-08 01:01 AM by JoeIsOneOfUs
others were not included
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cbayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:47 AM
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7. Yep. No one has gotten this far before
and because of her, more will get this far in the future.

Thank you for a very positive post. We need a lot more of this. Clinton supporters feel very marginalized and need to know that they are welcome here.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 12:50 AM
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8. Great thread! Rec'd. Thank you for posting a positive thread!
Peace,
sw
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:18 AM
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21. Thank you! K & R
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:21 AM
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22. Thank you. I did not realize that so many women attempted to run
in what was considered a Quixotic attempt.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 01:46 AM
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26. Thank you.
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:07 AM
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28. Wow! This is refreshing.

Thank you for putting the spotlight on the trailblazing.

K & R :thumbsup:
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:25 AM
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33. IMO, the histories written will say, "even six months prior to the 2008

general election, Clinton remained the focus of intense interest, having obtained a sizable number of both delegate and popular votes."

Trailblazing. Thanks again for this OP.
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Berry Cool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:15 AM
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30. She almost smashed the glass ceiling...using her famous husband as a sledgehammer.
To me, that doesn't make her a pioneer of women's liberation. It just doesn't.

If you're a feminist champion, you do it yourself. You don't ride a man's coattails to success.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 06:21 AM
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32. Almost, she then went into a blaze of glory.
Exploiting sexism for her benefit. She did the feminist movement no favors.

see this article by a great post-feminist feminist: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2008/05/24/do2411.xml
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:41 PM
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43. I was told the other day when I referenced this article
that Paglia is *not* a feminist. Who woulda thunk it?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:00 AM
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34. Catalyst.
As I mentioned in a thread several days ago, Hillary Clinton is like a catalyst which ignites a chain of events and yet may herself be consumed in the process.

I have no illusions about her character, but then I have no illusions about any politican's character, even Jimmy Carter, whom I adore. I wonder how Susan B. Anthony was viewed in her time by her detractors *shudder*

Thanks, Gore1FL, I did not recognize a lot of the names on your list, but I did recognize my favorite:



:hi:
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:02 AM
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35. I'm not a supporter, but I will definitely give her credit for this.
:thumbsup:
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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:34 PM
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39. Hillary is wonderful.
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:36 PM
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42. Yup... of course
Senator Obama is farther down the trail and Senator CLinton is trying her dangedest to light the trail a blaze.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:56 PM
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44. hilary lied for those people?
hilary's living in a non-reality based environment..that doesn't mean you have to follow her.














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TooRaLoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:08 PM
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46. I don't think she would have gotten that far without being married to Bill.
Though I don't think he would have gotten there without her.
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Max_powers94 Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 01:10 PM
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47. Hillary could have been or can be a great woman if she stop being selfish
Edited on Thu May-29-08 01:11 PM by Max_powers94
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