Clinton supporters to actively campaign for McClone

if she does not get the nomination.

I have been looking at some of the Clinton blogs (hill44 and the likes)and they are ALL going to actively campaign for McClone if Hillary does not win the nomination.

Look at this...

I will support to the max the McCain ticket to hand Obama such a landslide defeat that he dare not try again four years later.

We know Obama would lose in Nov. Let’s make it a BIG loss.

They’re already scared of losing us. Make them more scared, show them their only chance to win in Nov is to nominate HIllary instead.

This really makes me sick. Just knowing they intend to do this makes me want to vote Green if Hillary wins.

At this point... why even allow these supporters to post on this board anymore?

Remember, this is a time-honored tactic for the Other Side. They used it with "protest" groups in the 60's, all the time.

Our side keeps falling for it.

That she is willing to let her supporters try and damage the Democratic party in the GE tells me all I need to know about her.

How many times does she have to say it? And the fact that you haven't heard it tells me all I need to know about you.

They probably had a hand in setting up some of these sites. We know they are here, pretending to be supporters for both candidates, but spreading lies and disrupting things.

I think any reasonable Dem can differentiate this clearly Republican slime for what it is. So called "Hillary supporters" who can't, or won't differentiate themselves, their candidate, from this are also clearly Republican slime, Republican trolls of the kind Limbaugh dittohead, and they aren't worth much. Certainly not worth investing any emotion into it. Can't help feeling repelled, of course, but aside from that such slime doesn't merit further attention.

adding the word "SOME" (Clinton supporters) would help. And yes, they are disgusting but you should not let the likes of ASSHOLES change the way you would vote.

Eye for an eye.

Keep your feet on the ground, okay? The people that post those sorts of things are a minority of a minority of a minority and matter not.

Democratic government means progress. Don't lose sight of that for spite.

If they are so immature and so misguided as to think McCain will have their best interests at heart and are willing to forego all common sense, go ahead. We will just work harder on making the case to voters with sense. SURELY the number of people with their heads on straight still outnumber those who have their heads in the clouds.

This is a fringe of supporters who are very likely racist.
They delude themselves with grandeur, as does their Delusion Queen.

I'm not scared of them.

And a whiff of straw=man.

period.

In fact, I laugh at their crazy asses. They can kiss McCain up is white hairy anus if it will make them feel more connected to their true object of love.

I'm sure if they ask nicely, he'll bend over!

...in the WH. Like I say, dream on Alice, wonderland is just around the corner.

...aren't really, um, all that stable, in the first place.

Dare not try again four years later??? Really?

Ick!

If these "feminists" want to vote for "no-choice" McCain, that tells me right there that they are NOT feminists; they are Hilaryists or repukes.

"Actually, no, we're Not scared of losing you, or even you casting your vote for the future of fascism in the USA, we'd rather that you walk West until Your Hat FLOATS.."

:)

Bite me weirdos, we are not YOUR Prisoners, or Hostages.. As they said in the 80's, "Go DIE!" :)

are you trying to tell me you found something objectionable on the internet?!?!

Thank God you brought it to our attention!

does not care about a woman's right to choose
does not care about Iraq
does not care about healthcare
does not care about social security
does not care about the high price of gas and food
does not care about social security
does not care for the headstart program, or the GI bill
does not care that the Enron loophole is backed by mccain
does not care for gender or race civil rights

They wish to be the same force Nader was in 2000. They hope to destroy the party and the country, thinking in their delusional thinking that somehow people will cry, oh why, oh why didn't we nominate Hillary

What they are ignoring is that there are many Clinton and Obama supporters who will support WHOEVER the Democratic nominee is

What they are ignoring is that young people are not included in the polls

What they are ignoring is that Bob Barr is running as an independent, and Ron Paul will NOT be quiet at the republican convention

What they are not counting on is that the Democrats are going to win ALL three houses in 2008

They are bitter, and that bitterness will make them irrelevent

If you read any of their posts and see the links they use, it is clear that these people are not Hillary supporters or democrats. They only appeared after Super Tuesday. This is obviously a coordinated attack by the GOP once they saw that the democratic primary would not be resolved then.

It is stupid that so many Obama supporters here have decided that this represents all or most Clinton supporters. If the democrats were as tenacious as the GOP, we would be doing similar things with Paul and Barr sites and trying to undermine McCain. But we won't, just like we didn't fight hard in 2000 or 2004.

Do not further undermine Obama by being as big an ass as some people here to anyone who is not an Obama supporter in the general campaign. You may turn undecided voters away from Obama, because millions of people vote for ridiculously odd reasons (because someone who annoys them likes the other guy, to piss off someone they know, who they would rather have sex with, who is funnier, who has a better name, etc.).

Let them do whatever they like.

The DINO and wingers saw rabid supporters they could manipulate into a frenzy, and now that Hill won't win the nomination, they're trying to do as much damage to the party as they can on the way out.

These folks were never democrats.

They weren't going to vote dem in the GE either way.

first, a link to the post would be nice, second....who cares what some douche typed on a blog comment?

when it comes right down to it and they can go fuck themselves for all I care. Why the hell should we cater to them.

To be used by the GOP in '08 much like Nader was in '04. And like them will suffer the blowbacks.

One would assume that the reason the posts you quote make you "sick" is because the idea of supposed Democrats voting for McCain instead of the Dem nominee is so very wrong.

And then you write this: "...makes me want to vote Green if Hillary wins."

There's just something a bit off about that, don't you think?

I don't think the OP is necessarily a part of it, but there are fake Clinton and Obama supporters here sewing the seeds of division 24/7. I never go to those websites, as I believe some of them are set up by GOP psyops operatives.

Fool me once... ;)

Personally, I think the OP is part of it. My post was just my way of flagging it as such.

I am nothing if not devious. :evilgrin:

:loveya:
sw

Are you channeling Sartre's ghost? :D :loveya:

I continue to refrain from replying to divisive, batshit insane posts, but it ain't easy. I have a lot of snark building up... I don't know how long I can hold it in. :evilgrin:

I find that by replying to divisive batshit insane posts with exquisite courtesy, patience and carefully chosen neutral words; my inner snark actually becomes supercharged and circulates through my meridians as pure white light energy. Thus, one may achieve snarkasm with no external collateral damage whatsoever.

O8)

Peace,
sw

Thanks for PMing me. :hi: I got my main computer back this afternoon, so I am still trying to get reorganised.

You are absolutely right scarletwoman... but the mean wolf is yapping loudly in my ear again.... Uh oh! :evilgrin:

This high quality chi-enriched white light charged inner snark circulates through your subtle body, and the mean wolf becomes intoxicated on it and passes out.

All your posts will then be devastatingly witty and charming and harm no one.

;)
sw

...to coerce HRC supporters over to the McSame Kamp, because McSame folks know that HRC is NOT going to get the nom. This tactic has not been seem around Obama.

It is a deceptive ploy which needs to be countered and exposed for their trickery that it is.

Any 'Dem' that advocates voting for repigs, rather than the Dem nominee, after the 8 years of shit that they have given us, can not possibly be a Democrat.

Voting for McSame is political and national suicide.

I'm sure those who are really looking out for the best interests of our country and planet wouldn't consider doing such a thing. I doubt there are that many vindictive democrats in the country.

"Clowns to the left, jokers to the right." <---- McCain voters

One explanation for why Clinton continues her campaign is quite simply to keep her chances alive for 2012 by wrecking Obama's chances for 2008. At least that explanation makes sense, unlike her inexplicable 'things happen in June' non-explanation of last week. It is a theory that perhaps the DU admins ought to seriously reconsider again, but I am not holding my breath.

To an extent, once again we have been sucker-punched by the MSM, which has participated in the delusion that Clinton's campaign has validity and real prospects of winning. Were the roles reversed, Obama would be like Edwards was in January, pixilated out of any media presence. They are gladly stirring the shitstorm in the Democratic Party. Operation Chaos has been quite effective.

They're sellouts to everything they believed in. Must feel good deep down inside. I bet they sleep well knowing they've turned into what they hated all these years.

:thumbsup:

It's been under the words for at least a month, but now it's really getting uncovered for what it is: "Hand Hillary the nomination or we will vote and campaign for McCain for pure spite, the country be damned."

Do you really think you can threaten, insult, and demonize them into getting on board with you? And how many times have we heard it said right here at DU that the Obama camp neither needs nor wants their support? How many times have we heard it said that they are no longer welcome in the democratic community even, that they aren't even democrats. It has been said repeatedly in this very thread. Fucking deal with it.

How about their children when they go to Iraq for their first tour in 2020? Could they blame "them" for helping McCain? How about the people who have lost their homes and jobs under Bush and will get in more dire straits under McCain? Can these people blame them? How about the citizens of Iran who will be carpet bombed and whose country will be turned into a terrorist war zone? Could they blame them?

Dare I say ... yes?

I'll be honest with you, I bought my first home under Bush and I don't have any kids who will have to go to Iraq and, for that matter, I don't give a fuck about Iran. Try again. or not.

You don't have kids, so fuck all those who do. You didn't lose your home, so fuck those who did. Wow, I know people like you exist, but it's still astonishing to see one first hand. Tell me about the age of Aquarius, and what it has to do with screwing your fellow citizens over so you can throw a little tantrum for nothing but petty spite.

Obama and Co have run the ugliest campaign I have ever seen.

It looks like the independents are going to grow in numbers considerably this year.

really cold.

Pray they never come back. We need Democrats who stand behind ideas, not hero worshipers.

Don't give them the attention they want.

I'm not really too worried about a bunch of idiots who were going to vote for McCain anyway telling me "I'm going to vote for McCain!" :eyes:

The best thing to be done is to ignore the site and it's few posters, let it expire in it's own irrelevance.

That would, by definition, include mine---and yours.

IYGMD.

If those are indeed "Hillary Clinton supporters" posting on that website, they've been duped.

There aren't very many folks left here (that I've come across anyway) that have that putrid "Hillaryis44" logo in their sig line...

Anyone who considers themselves a Democrat will support our nominee no matter who it is. 'Nuff said.

:eyes:

just because?

They can do what they want, of course. But it bolsters my opinion that HRC and her supporters don't deserve the presidency....ever. We certainly don't want this kind of person in the White House, making decisions for the country. When, in fact, they make decisions based on personal animosity.

Rush Limpballs and his braindead minions are behind the Hillary sites. All DLC'ers are more republican than democrat and I won't be surprised at all when the hard working white racists all back McCain in the fall.

Geesh, Clinton is broke, losing, and the subject of derision for completely squandering her initial advantage. The lunatic fringe of H44 and HCforum have demonstrated well that they are an anchor about a candidate's ankles. Let them campaign for McCain, they'll drag him down, too. Besides, we are only talking about a couple dozen echo-chamber posters banging pots and pans- I see no reason for the DNC or Obama to fear or be held hostage by a tiny group of petulant whack-jobs. The vast majority of hillary supporters will vote for Obama in nov. Votes from racists, men-haters, and dead-enders won't be needed; and there is no reason to cater to them. Ignore them and they will eventually go back to their echo-chamber and compose 100 posts a day about how everything hillary botched was someone else's fault.

Who cares what a bunch of Republicans are going to do in the fall? It's pretty clear that most of the posters at those sites are Pukes. They're not Democrats and never have been.

The number of real Democrats who are Kamikaze Klintonians is very small. Whatever we lose there we will more than make up from indies and Republicans sick of the GOP as usual.

Or better yet, send Skinner your proof and let him deal with it.

You seem rather obsessed with what other people do on other boards. Then you bring it here, thinking the rest of us care.

It's stalkerish behavior.

Of course, they don't give their usernames. Pity.

But for you to dismiss this out of hand and call those of us concerned "stalkers" is borne of your frustration with them being on your side, I'm willing to wager.

Fact: They talk explicitly about disrupting DU, getting banned, and doing it all over again. That's a relevant issue. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it irrelevent.

Edit: I forgot the link.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=site%3Ahillaryclintonforum.net+democratic+underground

And here's the tombstoned proprietor of hillaryclintonforum.net.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=215656

I don't go to those forum and many other forums because I frankly do not give a shit what they have to say. Stop bringing that crap here. If we wanted to read that sort of thing we are all perfectly capable of going there ourselves.

And you are wrong- I would say exactly the same thing if it were an Obama leaning site.

If DU'ers find this sort of information interesting, they will review it and discuss it. If they don't, it will drop and die.

If you never want to see this sort of thing again, just put the pedal to the metal on the ignore button with everybody that dares to mention these things. Problem solved.

And if there was an Obama site so deranged as to act as the twin of Hillis44, I would point out their derangements as well.

"If we wanted to read that sort of thing we are all perfectly capable of going there ourselves."

I found that sentence particularly interesting. If you take it to it's logical extreme, I guess nobody should post anything, since we could find all the information we find interesting by ourselves, right? It's a discussion board. Hide the thread and ignore. Problem solved. Don't try to speak for other people who are interested.

Geezuz H Christ- You continue on with what you are doing. I think it reeks of some sort of stalker like obsession. In real life I would walk away shaking my head. I will do the same here in cyber space.

In my spare time, I run through about 10-12 websites, and some of them are virulent neocon sites. Am I stalking them? Am I stalking Perez Hilton? I look through the deals on slickdeals every day, I mean I "stalk" the deals.

The thing is, you don't want people to hear what these people are saying, so:

1. "They're not Democrats."
2. "You guys don't need to post this crap."
3. "You guys are stalkers."

Can't wait for #4.

Walk away. It'll sink. Nobody is interested.

Another thread here has me hooked on Bad Religion for the day. Sorry!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyLZD00hCAA&NR=1

"Come Join Us" -Bad Religion

so you say you gotta know why the world goes 'round
and you can't find the truth in the things you've found
and you're scared shitless 'cuz evil abounds
come join us

well I heard you were looking for a place to fit in
full of adherent people with the same objective
a family to cling to and call brethren
come join us

all we want to do is change your mind
all you need to do is close your eyes

so come join us
come join us
come join us

don't you see the trouble that most people are in
and that they just want you for their own advantage
but I swear to you we're different from all of them
come join us
I can tell you are lookin' for a way to live
where truth is determined by consensus
full of codified arbitrary directives
come join us
all we want to have is your small mind
turn it into one of our own kind
you can go through life adrift and alone
desperate, desolate, on your own
but we're lookin' for a few more stalwart clones
so come join us
come join us
come join us

we've got spite and dedication as a vehement brew
the world hates us, well we hate them too
but you're exempted of course if you
come join us
independent, self-contented, revolutionary
intellectual, brave, strong and scholarly
if you're not one of them, you're us already so
come join us

You are the one posting this on DU, not any other member. These sites are on the fringe and everyone knows it. There are some cross-over posters, but they don't say the kinds of things you just posted. What is your point exactly?

One last question. How in the world is your threat to vote third party if Clinton is the nominee any different than what you decry in your OP.

Hypocrisy at it's best.

I was worried about sites like those until someone did an analysis of the posts on HI44.

Basically, it is the same people over and over swearing to vote McCain.

It is a bullshit Republican false-flag op.

Check out this diary at dkos.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5/24/163437/416/562/522170

So those are 310 votes that Obama can really, really, not count on getting...