DU Obama haters enjoy your last week of THINKING he won't be the nominee. . .

Many press are declaring that a week from today Obama will be the presumptive nominee, some are even predicting that Hillary is working on her exit strategy. That being said after next week all of your efforts to destroy Obama and derail his path to the nomination will be useless. Furthermore the majority of Democrats will finally begin to rally around Obama, where will you be? What will you do?

Continued attacks on him after he is the nominee, HE WILL BE THE NOMINEE!!, will show you not to be Democrats. ONE MORE WEEK people, ONE MORE WEEK!

FOR THE RECORD: Being a Hillary supporter DOES NOT make one an Obama hater there is a difference. While a significant number of Hillary supporters are Obama haters, I do not automatically equate being a Hillary supporter with being an Obama hater.

I guess we all need to have hope..

. . .and if you are pulling for him to win, what are you going to do to help the Democrat (Obama) get elected? I'd love to know.

That's for sure.

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She and her supporters would be coming up with all these excuses, a strong candidate has no excuses.

there's nothing in history that shows the strongest GE candidate always wins the primaries.

. . .will be a successful GE candidate. LOL

:rofl:

just askin

. . .there are so many reasons why Obama should be losing BUT HE IS NOT. The mark of the stronger candidate is the one who wins IN SPITE OF the challenges he or she faces, not loses because of those challenges.

So you'll either need to:

1. radically adapt your posting style to the
post-primary rules,

2. Go away voluntarily, or

3. Be tombstoned.

As I said, enjoy your last week in your current
"Tear down Obama" mode.

Tesha

Wow, that was deep...

:eyes:

and I understood what you meant. That you aren't going anywhere because you'll back our nominee. You've been a loyal Clinton supporter and I appreciate loyalty in others, even if we disagree about who to be loyal to.

Let's see;

A stronger candidate might be more adept at raising money, not less.
A stronger candidate might win the popular vote.
A stronger candidate might garner more delegates.
A stronger candidate might have the endorsement of a majority of super delegates.
A stronger candidate might not go back on their pledges just because they are losing.
A stronger delegate might be winning the Primary with projections of crushing McGrandpa in the fall.

We know who the stronger candidate is.

:eyes:

The Libertarian party are running a candidate that will no doubt capitalize on some of the conservative frustration with McCain. Bush is fast becoming (if not already) the most hated person in the country, and McCain can't get distance from him. The presidency will be a romp this year for the Democratic nominee regardless of who it is, which is why Hillary wants that nomination so bad. If she could wrest it from Obama she WOULD be the first female president of the US. As it is we are about to have the first black president. At one time I was happy with either; now I'm so glad President Obama will be inaugurated in January of 2009.

That Clinton supporters are going to vote for McCain.
Grow up.

. . .against Obama in the GE.

Look around a bit. There are people right here on DU who say they'll vote for McCain in Nov, just because Obama won the nomination. How childish is that?

The fact is: It's over. Hillary lost. Obama is the only Democratic candidate running.

An emotionally mature & rational person would have acknowledged reality & packed it in long ago.

Do you disbelieve the polls saying so, the Geraldin Ferraros saying so, and every other bit of evidence, or are you simply a "low information poster"?

And I think if he is the nominee, we're in for a (at best) much closer race than it should be, or (at worst), another Mondale year.
I'll still vote for him, but I don't think he's strong enough to stand up to the shit storm the Pukes will sling at him. If they can't find dirt they'll make it up.
Just my 2 cents.

Edited to say Mondale instead if McGovern which was a mistake

c'est la guerre

:kick:

I said I'd vote for him. I'll actually have to send in an absentee ballot as I'll be out of the country, but I'll do it. He won't need my vote really because I live in Massachusetts - the only state with Minn, that voted for Mondale.

And nearly lost Minnesota (he won there by less than a thousand votes).

You are completely irrrational if you think Obama is going to lose like Mondale, or McGovern, in a year with RECORD Democratic primary turnout, RECORD numbers of new Democratic voter registrations, running a campaign with RECORD-BREAKING fundraising, against a Republican candidate who's running as 'more of the same' and following one of the most consistently UNPOPULAR administrations in modern American history.

Maybe I've around this roller-coaster too many times, but I could see the country giving the Senate and House huge Democratic majorities, and still going with the 'experienced' candidate. By Mid-October, this race will be too close to call, I'd lay good money on it.
The right wing radio conglomerate will be pounding on Obama mercilessly, 30% of the electorate still think Obama is a Muslim, McCain's war record - which doesn't go down well here, but is loved by Reagan democrat types, will be hyped to the rafters.
Hillary could bring over those Reagan dems, Obama won't be able to get so many, and scream as DU will, the fact remains that this country is still to the right of DU, and they're going to go with the guy they think they like better.
Flame away.

. . .it sounds like it.

I've been a lefty my whole life. I'll always vote for the Dems, (even though I was flamed for saying so on this board recently). It seems that if one chooses to vote for the Dem even if it's not my first choice candidate, I was an unthinking robot (this from Obama supporters who would never vote for Clinton in the GE).

. . .a week candidate. LOL

Which, for the most part, is not left wing Unfortunately.
Hell, Nixon would appear a lefty nowadays.

Do you really think she won't be easier to position as left wing?

Her NEGATIVES have a floor of 45%. Her 'experience' is largely a sham. She'd lose and lose badly to McCain, and after the campaign she's run, and what it's revealed about her leadership and organisational skills (or rather her lack thereof), I for one am profoundly relieved that she won't be the nominee.

I accept your points, but I still think Obama will have a harder time of it than people seem to think, when it comes to the GE.
Peace.

get out there and work it. handwringing never won anything.

Just think of that 75,000-80,000 person rally he had in Oregon. I read somewhere that if the attendees at that rally were the population of a city, it would be the sixth largest city in the state.

Here are 2 of my favorite images from that rally (the first is only the link to a thumbnail, the second is an actual image):

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:KZz4q3wI_vFS3M:http://www.timesonline.co.



His rallies similarly break records everywhere, and his voter registration drive has brought many new Democrats into the fold. It is also true that people who go out of their way to attend rallies and caucuses tend to be more likely to vote. Also, since Obama's time and money have mostly been focused on the primary race, the Democratic Party has not yet been able to turn its focus to defining McCain to the voters and showing who and what he really is, to counter the tongue bath the press is constantly giving him, since, as Matthews admits, the press is McCain's "natural constituency."

And the Clinton's are clean? As Falwell said, he would rather be running against Hillary then the devil. I think already people are starting to get "Clinton Fatigue" again.

How do they keep their delusions alive?

He's a weak GE candidate, who's main plank for his platform is opposition to the Iraq War, which unfortunately is off the radar for most voters now.

. . .she blames the media, she blames sexism, etc. Tell me how that makes her a stronger GE candidate?

That's not who the GE electorate is.

. . .he is all that more leftwing than Hillary, better yet do you truly believe that the GOP won't attempt to pay any Democrat, with the exception of Zell Miller, as a leftwinger?

We'll be up against the shittiest group of 'people' determined to win at any cost. We need someone who fights - and she has demonstrated that in spades - no pun intended before I get jumped on again.

. . .Obama has never ever cried about folks picking on him. As Hillary won KY and WV because white voters would not support a Black candidate she and her supporters cried sexism to explain why she was losing, yet while Obama could easily cite racism he didn't give it a second thought and kept moving. . .tell me again who the weaker candidate is.

Obama boosters keep playing the race card against us out here in the hills. Sure, a small
handful of racists can be found in any state but a huge effort was made to paint all of
we Hillary voters as racist for the reason Obama lost here.

The wounds will fester as long as the lies of racism are parroted.

primary voters who said race did influence their vote, and they overwhelmingly voted for Hillary. It was something like one-in-five voters. That's more than a handful.

beating the established frontrunner who was a far more formidable candidate than John McCain. Obama is better organized and has far more resources than McCain. The dems are in far better shape than the repubs. Issues favor the dems. And the Iraq war is not off the radar, though it's certainly secondary to the dismal economy- an issue that heavily favors the dems.

:thumbsup:

I don't hate the guy, and I'll vote for him in the GE.

n/t

...points. At this point what good does it do for any Democrats, especially on a Democratic website, to bash Obama?

It would be different if this was constructive criticism, but in reality its an attempt to tear him down.

and i'm never going to like him.

though i am glad to see that you didn't assume that all of us don't like him are necessarily attached to a camp.

Why don't you like him?

anti-gay gospel acts before the south carolina primary to introduce and campaign for him.

and other very problematic things he's said regarding the lgbtiq community.

:kick:

we will get to where we're going -- as we always have -- under our own steam.

we do not need any president to carry water or anything else for us.

:kick:

you simply want to back me into a a particular corner of your devising -- and i'm not going.

. . .so you didn't really answer the question.

i don't like being backed into a corner --

Why is that? Do you really believe that Obama is not progressive on the issue than McCain?

if he is so good on lgbtiq issues?

but don't you give obama credit for HIS very good record on lgbt legislation, his personal advocacy of civil rights and the other things that have won him the endorsement of so many gay rights organizations? i mean, the man is better on your issues than any candidate for the presidency has ever been. and you don't see that because he hasn't thrown every homophobe he knows under the bus?
i haven't walked in your shoes, but when i see these comments from long time du'ers, it pains me.

. . .have put it behind them and have put their support behind Obama.

donnie mcklurkin under any bus -- to the contrary he defended him.

when he speaks about lgbtiq issues in churches he purposely uses language that paralells ex-gay ministry language.

he's brought sam nunn close to his campaign.

and so on...

it pains me to see that duers -- who would burn mccain for an eternity if he had done what obama did in sc -- embrace him so hard.

so respectfully we're even.

didn't say he threw donnie under, said he didn't.
here's the thing- this is brand obama- include everyone who wants to be included. yes, that will mean that there are people on the team with flaws. bo himself has repeatedly pointed out that he is a flawed person himself. but you just can't make change by building walls. these kinds of divisions have hurt us as a party, as a country, hell, as a species. it is hard to move beyond it. for everyone. everyone will have to operate outside their comfort zones. that includes donnie seeing the resistance that he might not have seen if he had stayed in his zone, doing his thing.
everybody's voice is needed. it saddens me if we don't have yours.

:kick:

and it worked --

more -- you don't bring sam nunn up close and personal and talk about building bridges with many lgbtiq people.

i know of no one- abso-fucking-lutey NO ONE that is supporting obama because they think he is going to keep the gays in the closet. or because they are happy that he has gay-bashers on his team. you make my head spin to even imply that. there is just no way that obama made any hay out of having donnie on his side. in fact, as you well know, it is one of the few real marks on the obama brand. you can say that you disapprove. but you just cannot say that he got anything from anyone by having those people perform at a rally.
you can say that you were sacrificed. but you cannot say that it "worked". he got nothing but bad from it. and he disavowed those views. and he has a record of his OWN that is in direct opposition to what you are saying.
again, i have not walked in your shoes. i know things would look different to me if i did. but we just cannot allow walls to stand between us. i sincerely hold out my hand and ask you to join us.

people -- you're being selective.

he defended donnie mcklurkin specifically.

he purposely used a religious conservative point of view to launch him in a way that would appeal to that set of voters -- as a result he won in south carolina -- you cannot say he didn't benefit from that.

you are expressing my main frustation here.

if mcsame had done the very same thing -- you would burn him for it.

barack not so much.

using language that slides along beside ex-gay language when talking about gays in churches is not a way to win friends among gay people.

but imho, you are not looking at the whole picture. i admit that my pov is not the same as yours. but, i think i have a good picture of the character of this man for a lot of reasons. i see his whole record, and i see him setting a place at the table for the lgbt community. i think he wants everyone at the table. i think there will be a lot of people unhappy to share that table with their enemies. but that is square one for taking our country back. for all of us.

but I agree we should close it down and move on...

:kick:

have been carving tombstones all month to be ready for GE mode
get all these GOPers outta here

re: DU Obama haters enjoy your last week of THINKING. He won't be the nominee.

Gee, now we can't think and Obama won't be the nominee. I listened again to Hillary's
"hard working" comments and in NO way did it come across as only one race was hard working.

I don't know any democrat that hates Obama. Their disgust has been with his boosters and
word twisters. All the Clinton supporters want is to let the voters be heard and for months now
she has been hounded to fold and give it to Obama. So much for unity.

right before mentioning RFK? Oh yea it went something like this; Do you believe in party unity" "NO I DON'T"

when Obama is declared the democratic nominee!

There's some very vocal, very bitter fans at the moment that won't be able to adapt or accept this, but the vast majority of Hillary supporters know what's at stake and will at the least bite their tongue here, and swallow their pride in November. I had to do it with Kerry. I'm sure they can do it too.

when senator Obama finally is declared the winner of the primary.

How many on DU? Not sure but there are bound to be some.

are just hillary hire-a-trolls getting paid to cause discontent

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sure would be nice to hoist a few while they count it up.

:kick:

take care of our troubles there, eh.

. . .should be fun.

Your baby doesn't love you any more
Golden days before they end
Whisper secrets to the wind
Your baby won't be near you any more

Tender nights before they fly
Send falling stars that seem to cry
Your baby doesn't want you any more
It's over

It breaks your heart in two, To know she's been untrue
But oh what will you do? When she says to you
There's someone new We're through We're through
It's over It's over It's over

All the rainbows in the sky
Start to weep, then say goodbye
You won't be seeing rainbows any more
Setting suns before they fall, Echo to you that's all that's all
But you'll see lonely sunsets after all

It's over It's over It's over It's over

I bet there are some nice ones out there for you. Check em out..
It was nice meeting you, see ya later.. :hi:

Even they must know their candidate is the weakest of the three.

:eyes:

Oh, wait, I'm wearing my new sneakers -- nevermind!

Tesha

the next president. Maybe if he was a nice person the American people would vote for him. But he is mean-spirited and divisive.

As for derailing Obama's path to the nomination....isn't that what a primary is? A bunch of candidates, and their supporters, try to derail the others' path? Somehow all the rules are different for Obama though.

For whatever it's worth--I do think he will win Hawaii, even as he gets blown out by 20 points. Maybe even Vermont too.

I'm not sure how you can say that people who attack Obama aren't Democrats when people who supported him said that they would not vote for Hillary. We even heard that it would be worth losing the Supreme Court to punish the American people for their misconduct--if they don't elect Obama then they deserve what they get.

I don't know if I'll vote for him. But if I do then I will definitely vote against him in the 2012 primaries. He will be such a terrible president that I can't imagine he won't have an opponent.

Steve

you're a complete waste of time and a real jerk in person. Fair? No? That's kind of what happens when you build your world based on assumptions with no basis in reality.

Hate him, no one really cares. Vote for him, or don't. But, know this. The reality that you create, you will own.

And Hillary thought she was going to a cakewalk with McSame. Ha!