Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Der Spiegel: Germans LOVE Obama while McCain's "fits of rage" are feared.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU
 
beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:13 AM
Original message
Der Spiegel: Germans LOVE Obama while McCain's "fits of rage" are feared.
Obviously, international thinking is in the end irrelevant to who wins the U.S. election. Still, this is a significant development, that Europeans are not only comfortable with the prospect of a President Obama, but downright enthusiastic. Previously, they assumed Hillary Clinton would be the next president and were enthusiastic about her, so they have adjusted well to the surprising surge of the Obama candidacy:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,555437,00.html

May 26, 2008

CRAZY ABOUT BARACK
Obamamania Infects Germany

By Ralf Beste

Berlin political circles -- both liberal and conservative -- are fawning over US presidential candidate Barack Obama. Many in Germany see him as a cross between John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr., but expectations may be exaggerated.



(Steinmeier is Germany's Foreign Minister - Beachmom) Frank-Walter Steinmeier had hoped to meet personally, but Barack Obama has a lot on his plate at the moment and Germany's foreign minister had to make do with a telephone conversation with the presidential candidate during his recent visit to Washington. Still, that's all it took to stir Steinmeier's enthusiasm for the candidate.

The American may be deep in the midst of a campaign, but members of Steinmeier's entourage told SPIEGEL that Obama's foreign policy questions were very engaged, and he peppered his conversation with questions about the German foreign minister's views on Russia, Iran and Afghanistan.

The conversation lasted about 15 minutes and was very focused. Obama's rhetorical "cruising altitude," was apparently quite high, an advisor to Steinmeier said. At the end of the conversation, the Democratic presidential candidate promised to come to Germany as soon as possible.

The few minutes spent on the telephone gave Steinmeier the impression that Obama is prepared to fundamentally reconsider the course of US foreign policy. Steinmeier was impressed, and only a day later he publicly outed himself as the senator's latest fan. "Yes we can," the minister, not known for his emotional outbursts, chanted, evoking Obama's campaign slogan during a speech at Harvard University. Steinmeier used the term to express his desire for a renewal of trans-Atlantic relations.

'Germany Is Obamaland'

But the foreign minister hasn't been alone in his admiration for the candidate -- Berlin has been teeming with Obamamania for weeks now. Even conservatives are taken by the Democrat. After the Bush era, Chancellor Angela Merkel of the conservative Christian Democrats can easily imagine working together with a liberal Democrat in the White House. And Norbert Röttgen, chief whip for the Christian Democrats in parliament, sees Obama as the messenger of a new wave of politics that could also provide a model for Germany.

"Germany is Obamaland," says Karsten Voigt, the German government's coordinator for trans-Atlantic relations. He says Germans see the African-American senator as a kind of "mixture of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr."

People are projecting their hopes and dreams on Obama, adds Constanze Stelzenmüller of the German Marshall Fund in Berlin. He's perceived here as peace-loving and cooperative, and those are the kind of traits Germans admire in a foreign politician.

Obama's Republican contender John McCain (more...) is viewed with greater skepticism in Berlin, where the 71-year-old Vietnam veteran is considered by many to be a Cold War relic. McCain, for example, announced that he wanted to kick Russia out of the G-8 and instead found a "League of Democracies" that, in emergencies, could also circumvent the United Nations around the world. Those aren't the kind of words that get a warm welcome in Germany.

McCain is not an unknown quantity in Germany, either. As a dyed in the wool trans-Atlanticist, he regularly participates in the annual Munich Security Conference. The senator has a reputation there for his sharp attacks against German politicians -- his fits of rage are feared and his political positions are known because of the numerous debates he has taken part in.


Fits of rage feared? I'm telling you that McCain will be just as big a disaster internationally as Bush, and clearly Obama will be a breath of fresh air.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:18 AM
Response to Original message
1. I'm really hoping that Obama can push enough of the right buttons
in a debate, that McSame turns in to McCrazy right on the TeeVee for all to see.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
MikeNearMcChord Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:24 AM
Response to Original message
2. I think almost anybody in America with a pulse and some common
sense and a tad sense of conscience would be popular to Germans after 7 years of Shrub.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:32 AM
Response to Reply #2
5. If that were true, then the article would have been titled: Germans okay with either Obama or
McCain. That is not the case. The Germans are looking for some cooperation, and there is a major difference between the Democratic position and the Republican position. And they love Obama's charisma, which is unique to him only in this race.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:27 AM
Response to Original message
3. Did the Germans say FITS OF AGE?? OMG...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Perry Logan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:28 AM
Response to Original message
4. They're gonna be upset when McCain mops the floor with the Bammer.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #4
14. Wow, it's almost like you're hoping for that.
:eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:47 AM
Original message
You're really hoping for that, aren't you?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:33 AM
Response to Original message
6. Who the fuck cares what the Germans think?
Seriously, when they get US voting rights, I'll give a damn. Until then...piss on them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GermanDem Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #6
13. Hey, hey!
It would be great if Americans would actually start to care more what other nations think of them. It is this "I don't give damn, we are the best anyway"-attitude that got us in all this trouble in the first place! The recession, globalization, the Iraq war... if we had paid more attention to all of these things, we might be in much better shape now!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DemVet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:47 AM
Response to Reply #13
15. No can do.
I care what AMERICAN voters think, particulary Democrats of all stripes.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:50 AM
Response to Reply #6
17. Where have I heard that before? Sounds so familiar... thinking, hmm..where, where?
I was wondering who would post this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
trickydix2000 Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:55 AM
Response to Reply #6
19. not surprised
That you would say that, closed mind all the way, my wife is german and we both have been OBAMA supporters from the Start so here is at-least one american that cares what the germans think.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #6
20. Let's remember your words after Puerto Rico votes.
Edited on Wed May-28-08 08:57 AM by VolcanoJen
:-)

"Piss on them" ??????
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #6
24. Another Ugly American for Hillary
:thumbsdown:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #24
32. Apparently I have this person on ignore BUT if this person is a Hillary supporter then what a stupid
comment!! The Germans also loved Hillary and would have been fine with her as prez, too. They just understand who is the presumptive nominee, and are excited about the prospect of an Obama presidency. This post is not at the expense of Hillary, but McCain!! Good lord, the jealousy is unbelievable.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #6
25. Who the fuck cares what the Germans think
Edited on Wed May-28-08 09:14 AM by Butch350
That's why the world is so fucked up today, because of ass holes like you. Go blow your self, or marry your cousin,
which ever comes first.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Butch350 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #6
26. Who the fuck cares what the Germans think

That's why the worlds fucked up today because of ass holes like you. Go blow your self, or marry your cousin,
which ever comes first.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:29 AM
Response to Reply #6
31. George Bush agrees with your assessment.
You're such a smeghead.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RethugAssKicker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #6
33. Typical Ugly American !
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:34 AM
Response to Original message
7. Shows you how things change. 65+ years ago, Germans loved fits of rage from their leaders.
They mistook schizophrenia for leadership.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:35 AM
Response to Reply #7
9. The Germans are the champions for human rights these days. Too bad
we are not as good as we used to be on that front. Things have changed indeed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
EmperorHasNoClothes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:48 AM
Response to Reply #7
16. And 65 years ago, the U.S. set the standard for Democracy around the world.
How far we have fallen.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:35 AM
Response to Original message
8. Except for some serious lack of judgement in leadership in the early 20th century
Smart cookies those Germans, proud to have that blood in my veins.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
beachmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:38 AM
Response to Reply #8
10. Well, the people from that time are now quite elderly. Honestly,
Germany is a completely different country now from back then. There are a lot of immigrants there now, like Eastern Europeans and Turks. If you want a chuckle, read the end of the article where they predict everyone in Germany will be sorely disappointed by Obama in the end!! This is the typical German mentality: don't hope too much, because you'll just end up disappointed. Well, now I agree all politicians will disappoint from time to time, but the pessimism and melancholy of Germans is something I have trouble with (my husband is German and I have relatives there).
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:40 AM
Response to Reply #10
12. After 7 years of Bush
I have a pretty low expectation meter myself. As long as the next President doesn't bomb anyone for fun they're ok with me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GermanDem Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:40 AM
Response to Original message
11. Germans can't wait to see someone else than Bush
in the White House!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SaveAmerica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:52 AM
Response to Original message
18. Prost!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:58 AM
Response to Original message
21. Ein prosit!!!
Vielen Dank!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CaptJasHook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:58 AM
Response to Original message
22. I just posted about this.
An old friend of mine in Germany emailed me for the first time in years to tell me how excited all of her friends were at the possibility of an Obama presidency.

He has the potential of becoming a great Diplomatic Asset for America.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:03 AM
Response to Original message
23. maybe they can vote in the primary
makes about as much sense as puerto rico...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:15 AM
Response to Original message
27. McCain's "fits of rage" should be greatly feared. Someone like him should not have control over nucl
Edited on Wed May-28-08 09:15 AM by invictus
nuclear weapons and the most powerful military in the world.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:20 AM
Response to Reply #27
28. And remember, this is the guy that Hillary praised as "meeting the threshold for C-in-C." n/t
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:23 AM
Response to Original message
29. "McCain will be just as big a disaster internationally as Bush..." Agree, and domestically
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:25 AM
Response to Original message
30. Germans are very familiar with insane leaders.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu May 02nd 2024, 12:36 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion: Presidential (Through Nov 2009) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC