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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:03 AM
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New SUSA Michigan Poll Explans the Ineffectiveness of an Obama/Clinton Ticket
In the base poll, McCain leads Obama 41-37, with 22% undecided, many of them democrats. When matched up with VPs. McCain/Romney defeats Obama/Clinton by 5, while an Obama/Edwards ticket loses by 3.

If Hillary Clinton is on the ticket, Obama improves his standing among Democrats, going from 60% to 68%. However where he was tied with independents, now he is losing by 17 points.

Many of the people who dont want Hillary as Veep, like myself argue that she may get the Hillary Dems behind the ticket, but she hurts Obama with the independents. This poll shows a pretty big difference with the two numbers.

http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=52d98ca6-6c14-4f4a-9180-4e7f1fce8a1a
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:05 AM
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1. He needs a VP who has: Tons of experience and is well known.
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lsusteel Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:10 AM
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9. Money on Edwards
Well-known, well-liked, connects strongly with low income voters, Obama/Edwards polls the best, etc.

We don't have time to introduce someone entirely new to the public, particularly if this race drags on. Picking someone like Sebelius or Webb risks having them defined by the Republicans. No such risk with Edwards.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:13 AM
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13. But would Edwards accept it if?
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:23 AM
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20. How is Edwards experienced?
He's spent less time in elected office than Obama.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:25 AM
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21. When it comes to elected experience, the average voter doesnt consider Obama's days in state govt...
as elected experience
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:20 AM
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17. Even AL Gore doesn't beat a McCain/Romney ticket in MI
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:22 AM
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19. Well, I doubt Romney will be on the ticket at all.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:05 AM
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2. No surprise there.
Many of us have been making this argument for months. Glad to see it finally proven.
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flor de jasmim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:07 AM
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3. He doesn't need a veep who comes with so much baggage.
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Max_powers94 Donating Member (715 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:09 AM
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5. bingo
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lsusteel Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:08 AM
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4. That SUSA poll is bogus
21% undecided, 31% of 18-34 year olds undecided, and Blacks only going 62-26 for Obama.

I think our VP is going to be someone well known like Edwards, especially if this drags on. We won't have time to introduce someone relatively unknown like Webb and Sebelius to the American public. Edwards is known, liked, and respected. His floor is higher than the rest.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:10 AM
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8. a lot of undecideds shouldnt be surprising in a state like Michigan or Florida.
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lsusteel Donating Member (178 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:11 AM
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10. If you think 31% undecided among young people is legit
You obviously aren't young anymore :D
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:12 AM
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12. Is 20 not young?
The poll is 23 weeks out. You will see things shift.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:16 AM
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14. Edwards is liked and respected?
Bullshit. Edwards couldn't get re-elected in NC today to his Senate seat, has no experience (other than getting schooled by Cheney in debates and being on the ticket that got their ass kicked by a retard chimp), and would be almost as bad as Veruca on the ticket.

Webb, Richardson, Clark, or Warner would all be far better candidates.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:09 AM
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6. Anybody matched up against McCain with Romney on the ticket
is going to be hard in Michigan. Romney is really popular there.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:10 AM
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7. Why does SUSA only have Romney as VP?
Somehow I dont see Romney picked as VP.
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:21 AM
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18. Cause his pops was the governator in MI
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:11 AM
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11. Not all Clinton supporters back Dream Ticket scenario.....
Edited on Wed May-28-08 11:13 AM by Doityourself
Mayor Thomas M. Menino said that Hillary Clinton should not run for vice president on a ticket with Barack Obama because her husband, former president Bill Clinton, could cause problems for the new administration.

If she got back into the White House, she'd bring along Big Daddy, and he would overshadow the president," Menino said in an interview.

Menino's pick for an Obama running mate is former presidential candidate Senator Joseph Biden of Delaware.

"He's smart, he's got the foreign policy experience, and he can help win Pennsylvania," his neighboring state, for Obama in the general election, Menino said.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/05/23/menino_against_obama_clinton_ticket/
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:16 AM
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15. On the other hand, he has to reach to the right to get the independents
Obama's challenge is to build a relatively liberal coalition that's big enough to get him elected. Clinton supporters are generally relatively liberal, IMO.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:18 AM
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16. Not the holdouts. Those are the moderate to conservative ones
Edwards is to the left of Hillary and he does better against McCain/Romney than Hillary does.
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