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those who are so obtuse about their nation that they take constant potshots at the ONE LAWMAKER who worked the hardest to keep the historic record accurate for the American people as he pursued and uncovered the most serious and dangerous corruption of our government.

I don't understand why people can't see thatt.

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remember: "change"

against government corruption and top advocate of open government, John Kerry, teamed with Obama? Yeah.... that would be the most AMAZING change ever for DC - too bad it won't happen because there are still too many ignorant Democrats who are easily misled by BS.

even by some (not all) of Obama's supporters. It's too bad they don't appreciate one of Obama's hardworking surrogates.

But it ain't happening.

Here's the ticket....

But I really wish we knew what the veting revealed in 2004. I think this is an awesome ticket--so I want to know why not? Other than the hazy "zipper" insinuations. Put up of shut up!!

Obama/Richardson would be an outstanding ticket. Obama/Webb would also be good.

Newmajority, Love the sig line.

I am still seething that John Kerry conceded without even allowing 48 hours to pass, even after voters were lined up for hours and we were hearing reports from all over about voting anomalies. Just so he would not appear to be a sore loser, just for his own damn image, he caved. That was so horrible that I still have not forgiven him. And if he had anything to do with planning that lame convention in 2004, that's another huge strike against him. We were battling the worst president in US history and we do a sweetie pie feel good convention? And saw Democratic bigwigs condemn people who included even mild condemnations of the Bush regime in their speeches? No thanks.

I didn't even cry while watching the events of 9/11 live on TV, but I cried when Kerry conceded less than 12 hours after the polls had closed.

for the four focking years after 2000s theft.

Some of you seem to think McAuliffe was actually using the DNC for Dem candidates and Dem voters f2001-2005 - he wasn't. He was in there to advance NO Dem causes or candidates as he was looking to Hillary2008.

What exactly was McAuliffe, who had no power and had never been elected to office, supposed to do? So he was chair of the DNC (IIRC); what actual "power" goes with that? Kerry was a freakin' SENATOR, forchrissakes. Seems HE might have done something between 2000 and 2004.

Bake

THAT is what he should have been doing after 2000s blatant theft.

But his job was to do Clintons' bidding - and that meant NO concern for 2002 and 2004. Wouldn't be the first time Clintons fucked over Kerry for his hard work. Look how they protected BushInc thrughout the 90s by deep-sixing IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning matters that Kerry worked for years to uncover and investigate and YOUR heroes focked over all of us in their efforts to protect Bush and his cronies.

You certainly have gone out of your way to crap on open government Democrats who did the MOST to get you the information you need as a citizen while you excuse those like the Clintons and Carvilles who did the most to protect BushInc and KEEP you from an accurate recording of our nation's history.

Please tell me exactly HOW McAuliffe could have done that (and saying it in all caps only makes it louder, not clearer), given that McAuliffe was not an elected official and had no real power to implement change other than at the party level. Please, explain.

Bake

true failures.

It's disgusting how everybody still piles on Senator Kerry.

Nobody has worked harder or more honorably for this country and for Democrats than has John Kerry. Yet there are so many who sit on their fat asses and whine about his failings. Well look at Clinton's failings. With her name recognition and her big political machine and she can't even get the nomination from a "come-out-of-nowhere" freshman senator. And Obama, for all his talent and vision has still been swiftboated...over NOTHING.

Kerry did a Hell of a lot between 2000 & 2004: he got the nomination and came very close to beating Bush. It it had not been for a few factors, not the least of which was lack of real support from the likes of McAwful, he would be running for re-election this year.

That's more than you can say for Edwards no matter how well he is loved and respected. Looking at it by the standard by which Kerry is judged, he's just a two-time failure.

And Biden and Dodd with their years of experience and vast knowledge didn't even get out of the starting gate.

Judge anyone else by the same standard by which Kerry is and they fall far shorter than Kerry. FAR SHORTER. Especially Clinton. With all her advantages, she's turned out to be the biggest loser of all.

It wasn't the "backstabbers" (as you call them) who went wind-surfing in the Alps during the campaign, or who failed to respond to the swiftboaters, or who said stupid-ass things like "I was for it ... before I was against it." That kind of shit killed him. The election should never have been close enough to steal.

Keep him in the Senate.

Bake

Kerry said stupid-ass things, granted, but not even close magnitute of stupidity we've heard from Clinton and this is just the primary. And Obama's had his share too.

The SHIT that killed Kerry was just that: SHIT.

Remember the flip-flops? Look at the flip-flops McCain and Clinton have done? Nobody is talking about that now...now it's called "re-examining" one's position and it's praised as a sign of wisdom this time around. Has anyone even HEARD a pundit say "flip-flops" this cycle? I haven't.

Kerry ran once. He got the nomination and almost won the general election. It WAS close.

He's a better candidate than Edwards. Edwards lost twice. How about Dean? He lost to Kerry. So did Biden and Dodd and Wes Clark. How about Clinton at the end of this? She's not going to win. And with all the money, political support/clout and name recognition she came into this with, that makes her the worst candidate in history. Sure she's getting a lot of press of "toughness" but that's just a strategy on the part of the press to keep the fight going. She's not just a loser but well on her way being a joke. This terrible candidate thing isn't logical. We've had terrible candidates. McGovern didn't do such a hot job. Neither did Dukakis.

:applause:

3 week book tour defending Bush from the very criticisms the Dem nominee was leveling against him at the time.

You and your affinity for the backstabbers who wanted that election stolen speak to what YOU respect in life. DECEIT.

from election night. That was too damned much to face with a hangover on the horizon.

difference in Florida than the vote difference Kerry had in Ohio.

The DNC sat on THEIR hands for four years as the RNC set up 2002 and 2004 to be stolen again for Bush - just like the good Clinton loyalists they all were then.

You should go to the hospital. Dementia at best.

Gore conceded faster than Kerry with FEWER votes to make up at the TIME he conceded - What Gore did do was UNCONCEDE only after the math showed he had a great chance at winning.

What history are YOU trying to rewrite? The one that also pretends that McAuliffe's DNC secured the election process in the four years after 2000s theft so that Kerry had all the evidence he needed to not concede?

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to cost us a lot at the end.

this time, unlike the Bushprotecting Clinton.

But what YOU are wrong about and trying to hide behind your silly attack on me is that Gore conceded when he had a fewer vote differential in Florida than Kerry had in Ohio.

ONLY when the math changed for Gore did he UNCONCEDE. You can't admit that you are basically spreading a meme you've grown comfortable with over the years when you spread the falsehood that Kerry quickly folded.

You think ANY other Dem candidate would have somehow had a different DNC than Kerry was stuck with, one that HAD secured the election process for the four years before that 2004 election?

in Florida on election night. Gore only unconceded after the math changed for him.

Some of you have trouble with your recall, eh?

How long did the Bush/kerry contest continue?

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Kerry had hundreds of lawyers pro bono ready to fly, and he called it. You have your opinion, and you're welcome to it.

I do NOT WANT kerry on the ticket.

(IWR mostly)

Edit: I voted for Kerry in 2004. I don't wanna do it again.

in the years leading up to that election and on election night itself.


You think TeamClinton and the DNC didn't KNOW that RNC had gained control over every level of the election process where the votes are allowed, cast and counted from 2000-2005, and let it happen deliberately?

Kerry caved.

two days later that the really bad stuff started coming out. Oh, and if you watched "Recount" you would see that voter suppression cannot be fought after the fact. And voter suppression was the #1 tactic used in Ohio to steal the election for Bush.

I am not spinning here. I honestly think Kerry did the right thing to concede when he did. There would have been no way he would have won. NO WAY.

So Kerry was right. There was nothing to do but concede. And get on with the business at hand.

Anyone who can't figure that out...

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little or no respect for him!!

John Kerry should be on the shortest of short lists with Obama. Absolutely.

lopsided. Kerry's still number one in my book. It wouldn't work for me to see him on the bottom of any ticket.

It's amazing to hear how much Obama sounds like Kerry. He's a younger and more contemporary version, but he's saying many of the same things Kerry did and does. They are very closely aligned and it's not difficult to hear the Kerry influence.

People forget that Kerry is the one who asked the then unknown Obama to give the keynote speech at the convention in '04.

But for the future, Kerry is above and beyond running as VP. I do not doubt, however, that he will have a prominent influence if not position within an Obama administration.

Obama/Webb would be better.

failure to secure the election process so RNC could steal it for Bush again, if Kerry was so easily crushed as you seem to believe?

in the Senate to go to funerals in place of Barack Obama.

For Kerry, being Obama's VP is like being best man for the guy who's marrying the girl who dumped you.

We need him as senator way too much for him to run as second to anybody, even Obama!

He would interrupt sex to get his mug on TV.

the seriousness of his work. It takes a REAL ignoramus to further that smear.

is happening. Many people here have no clue what Kerry has done for them, but they think they know, thanks to some idiots who repeat what they heard on TV.

I know it is not going to happen, but apparently, some here would prefer Lieberman to Kerry. Sickening.

Some really stupid, sad comments in this thread. And Obama himself would be ashamed a some (not all of course) taking pot shots at one of his hardworking surrogates.

in DC who has effected this nation's historic record more positively than any other lawmaker in DC the last 35 years. And your smears against him born from pure ignorance will not change that fact.

The man would be president today if the DNC had spent its four years securing the election process.

Kerry was uncovering and investigating BCCI pretty much on his own after he uncovered IranContra and turned it over to the Senate committee.

The discoveries he made were VERY UNPOPULAR in DC, and he would hear the Reagan and then Bush WH get their spin on evidence from senate testimony he would be taking, and it would be lies - Kerry had few Democrats willing to support his work on BCCI so just to get the facts straight in the news cycle he would try to get the news crews to give him the chance to rebut the lies from BushInc.

What Kerry had was NOT ENOUGH honest Democrats in office willing to risk THEIR lives and careers exposing the serious corruption that was going on - they didn't help him and didn't CARE that YOU and the rest of the public heard the truth about BCCI matters - and yet idiots who know nothing about their nation's recent history are so ignorant of those facts they will turn BushInc's lies into conventional wisdom - just like you just did with your amazingly uninformed and assinine post.

one of his best surrogates with a RW talking point? Obama himself would be very ashamed that his "supporters" are doing that on a public board.

phone banking for him then he would go out there and say something without thinking of how it would sound (I voted for the ___ billion before I voted against it) and undo all the work I did. YES...I know what he meant to say but he needed to think about things like that before he said it. Then he was always talking about BRING IT ON but when they brought it he did not fight back. ALSO, he did not fight back regarding Ohio in the end. He just ended it just like that. Can you tell I'm still a bit upset? I just worked my heart out for him and was extremely upset once it was over...............

Kerry won every matchup he had - the DNC and the nonexistent left media didn't - and neither did you if you didn't know enough about Kerry to defend him with the TRUTH more enthusiastically than Bush's supporters could lie for him.

some of Obama's strong supporters do not see how easily the media bias was in place in 04. It's good to keep pointing this out, even if you get crickets as a response. :)

He was a good debater (anybody would be, compared to Bush). But the "I was against it before I was for it" bullshit, the windsurfing, the fucking FAILURE TO RESPOND TO THE SWIFTBOATERS -- c'mon, just admit it. He sucked as a candidate in 2004.

He's a good Senator; I'm not sure he's been (as you assert) the "best in 35 years," but he's been good.

Bake

the way the media distorted voting for the money before he voted against it? ALL senators and congressmen vote FOR or AGAINST a bill before they vote AGAINST or FOR the other version.

Your choice to bend over and ACCEPT the media lie says more about you and your inability to comprehend basic facts so you accept RW media spin. Guess it's easier that way.

Oh yeah - keep pretending that it was all Kerry - as if the fact that he had most of the best known Dems supporting and defending Bush throughout 2003-4, and the fact that McAulifffe was the worst DNC chair who did NOTHING while he allowed the party infrastructure to collapse, and the media was carrying the water for BushInc for his entire first term had nothing to do with any disadvantage Kerry had in getting his votes counted.

Not to mention the fact that there was no left media of any consequence whatsoever. But placing all blame on Kerry sure let's the failures of every one else involved with the party and the media off the hook, eh?

Every word!

It wasn't Kerry, right? I am also tired of the RW talking point "He voted for it...." if you even had one iota about Kerry, you know if you knew the candidate , you would know that is exactly what he did , he voted for an amendment that the top 1% would pay. To bad you drank the RW kool-aid, of course I don't blame you since the DNC and other Dems did not speak out and the MSM was Bush's lapdog. The funny thing is after so much going against him, he almost won, in fact IMO he did. As far as fighting, watch "Recount" learn a few things about how states have their own election laws, and in Ohio it was not against the law to suppress the vote (as in not enough machines, etc.) also who was the SOS of Ohio? Oh yeah another B/C campaign chair (Blackwell). Also you need PROOF and be able to get into the machines to prove election fraud, if Kerry could have done it he would in a heartbeat, but it was impossible without whistleblowers.

One last thing, yes he conceded but that wasn't the end for him, don't think he wasn't still looking for all possible leads to fight for everyone's vote, because he was, (I know it for a fact)a concession speech is not the end of things as Gore conceded and then retracted it. He has never stopped fighting for us and he never will, he is a true patriot for "we the people".

It's been almost 4 years, isn't it about time you swallowed your pride and got over it? Sheesh!!

and show some respect for one of his good surrogates.

what he is running for.

I really do. But no. He needs to continue on as a senator!

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No.

No.

Polls were trending toward a win for him. He spoke of Cheneys gay daughter in the last debate and the fake outrage overtook him in the last days from the GOP.

As much as I love Kerry, I don't see what he brings to the ticket. We hardly need two candidates that the GOP can paint as "elitists".

Nope, I prefer the SOS job for Kerry.

Even though I liked the Obama/Kerry thing, however, I think he would make a good SOS, AG, or head of Veterans affairs. We do need him as a senator, which is why he is more focused on getting re-elected as a MA senator.

I never considered that Teddy's illness and Kerry's likely ascension to "senior" Senator from MA, might put a big ol' kink in his cabinet plans.

must pass on the idea.

Kerry got my vote (of course) but in the minds of all the middle of the road - low info voters Kerry is the guy who lied about how he got his purple hearts. The swift boating worked.
It will be drug out again and swallowed hook, line and sinker --- again.

Just about anyone else please.

Just about anyone else please.

I love Kerry where he is.

Julie

I would guess that maybe Webb, maybe Richardson, maybe even Gore would bring more to Obama. It's hard to see where Kerry shores him up.

Kerry could be a great advisor and maybe cabinet member.

Still, I love some of the responses in this thread. Reminds me of the 2004 when Rove (who Hillary is now relying on for credibility) and the Republicans tampered the election with the help of do-nothing Dems like McAuliffe (Clinton saboteurs). Also reminds me of the run up to 2007: Hillary was being portrayed as the most experienced candidate ever (forget Biden and Kerry, whose extensive experience the media pundits tried to diminish in 2004). Hillary was inevitable. She was the labeled a politician least likely to make a gaffe, despite lying repeatedly for years, her "Ghandi" joke and numerous other weird comments

The establishment worked against Kerry, he built his own impressive campaign. Most of the rational and trustworthy among them are now with Obama. Remember when everyone tried to deminish Kerry's e-mail list? It's still the largest and most coveted list in the political arena.

Obama set the record for money raised in a single month, breaking Kerry's previous primary record of $44 million---a milestone Hillary was unable to reach. The Clinton people, including Mark Penn, were and still are useless. Hillary has run one of the worst, most divisive and arrogant campaigns ever.

Some of the responses in this thread are Pavlovian.

:applause:

I think having him on the ticket with anyone is a horrible idea. We should have never nominated him and ran him in 2004. But we Dems have a habit of nominating the wrong person so it was not terribly surprising.

the last 35 years, and especially in his efforts to uncover, investigate and expose more serious and dangerous matters of government corruption than any lawmaker in modern history.

There are so many of you with absolutely NO TRUE KNOWLEDGE of your own nation's actual history.

Kerry took on BushInc at its STRONGEST point when most wellknown Democrats were supporting and defending Bush throughout 2003-4, especially the last Dem president who used his high profile book tour in the summer of 2004 to SUPPORT BUSH and defend him from the criticisms Kerry was leveling at Bush at the time.

Kerry had to win on his OWN with a pisspoor DNC and a nonexistent left media and a pack of ill-informed Dem pundits who only knew to defend Clinton sex acts instead of have any inkling that Kerry was the top lawmaker in DC in tracking global terror networks.

I don't care for him. I was not referring to his past as a veteran either. I was referring to his failed attempt to run in 2004.

lawmaker in DC who risked his life and career more than Kerry has so YOUR nation's historic record would have any chance of being accurate.

YOUR opinion is based on lies you tell yourself - it is not based on the TRUTH that Kerry has uncovered and exposed more government corruption than any lawmaker in modern history. In fact - I will bet that YOU don't even know much about your nation's actual history, as your posts and your opinion have no basis in reality.

But thanks so much for your input. I read what you had to say and I don't feel the same way about Senator Kerry that you do. I have done my research and came to a just conclusion. :hi:

Disagree ....hah. If I thought there was one ounce of honest research in your reply..... but, there isn't.

You sound like you really need a hug. Here you go..... :hug: I hope that will make you feel better!! God bless!

at the same time. He is not going to be Obama's running mate. I'm as big a Kerry supporter as it gets, but it's not going to happen.

senators want change, as was seen during the debate for the Ethics Reform.

And I didn't even have to repeat myself.

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at this point.

Take the national team that Kerry had built up in 2003-4, MINUS the Clinton loyalists who spent their time undermining the 2004 campaign. THAT is what Kerry quietly gave to Obama long before he endorsed him. Daschle, Durbin and Kerry and their quiet alliance behind Obama early on is what gave Obama the national organization he needed to take on Clinton machine and win.

But you all keep smearing the best Democratic advocate this nation ever had for open government and the ONLY reason we have ANY clue to the actual dealings of our government over the last 35 years.

It would lend credence to the fact that Obama is not ready to be president and that he needs a strong presence next to him, kind of a Cheney.

It would be much better to have a governor, may be a woman like Napolitano or Sebelius, IMHO, or a man like Strickland or Warner.

Or maybe Richardson, but I hear he is more interested in the SOS job.

It only brings the chronic Kerry bashers/haters out in force. And another positive Kerry thread turning into vile, bashfest flamewar. which never gets old around here.

With the way Kerry bent over for Bush after 2004? Are you fucking kidding me??

People aren't so fond of John Kerry anymore.

Think if someone else and you'll feel better.

Edited to add. He's not a fighter...like Hillary.
We need a real fighter...especially if the Rethugs try to steal another election.

Remember, he was the PRESIDENTIAL nominee before. To now be the VICE-PRESIDENTIAL nominee would be a bit of a come down. Also, because he ran as President, and lost, there is a perception (undeserved though it be) of a loser.

Obama selects a VP. If he choses Kerry, and Kerry accepts, that's it.

I doubt this will happen, but the detractors (some are funny because they've indicated that Hillary can demand the VP slot) have no say in the matter. For every potential running mate advanced by anyone, there will be some who see a down side to choosing that person.

And Kerry would be an excellent VP. I was giving reasons why Obama won't offer it; and if he did, why Kerry wouldn't accept it.

also I just can't imagine that someone who ran for president and got the nomination would be content to run for the second spot.

Skull and Bones is the old way.

And then name one who has covered up more corruption for BushInc than Clintons have.

Kerry is the best lawmaker the country has had especially on issues of corruption and open government. But I don't expect those uninterested in the facts about their country's actual historic record to know that, let alone acknowledge it.

Politically, he would be a hot potato. He ran for PRESIDENT. How many VPs did that before becoming VP?

expose government corruption, especially the illegal operations of BushInc than John Kerry did in the last 35 years of his public life?

YOU focking CANNOT name one. There were a helluva lot of Democrats YOU voted for and supported who PROTECTED BushInc over the years, yet Kerry is the one you choose to smear. Fock that uninformed bullshit that some of you accept as conventional wisdom because you're too focking LAZYMINDED to research your own nations' historic record enough to know the truth about even the last Dem nominee and his unmatched place in protecting the accuracy of that historic record.

Dumbasses. No Obama supporter worth a damn would accept the lies against Kerry or further them.

I have no use for Kerry.
Please, keep him in the NE where he belongs.

People just say shit. Kerry is one of the best and most consistent Senators in Congress. We need about 49 more like him.

So who is your Senator?

and not worthy of the Office. To saddle a man of change with Kerry's baggage and ineffectual leadership would be political suicide.
Now, thats just my opinion and I admit a strong bias against most east coast Pols, I dont feel they 'get' the West at all.

They're usually a glimpse into one's state of mind.

Kerry's endorsement of Obama was the end to some. Oh, the drama.

Luckily opinions aren't facts.

I have never felt he fought for what was rightfully his (ours) and thats unforgivable. Look at HRC, LOSER and yet...there she is.

Love ya, we are on the same side and I do respect your opinion, I just dont share it.



(btw, I have never not clicked on one of your OP's :toast: )

you and blm's questions. :rofl:

who risked his life and career taking Bush1 to court to get access to documents that presidents wouldn't turn over.

Those INFORMED citizens in the west DO KNOW that without KERRY'S years of work uncovering IranContra, BCCI and CIA drugrunning, this nation would be in its second decade of New World Order, by now.

But then, some of you 'west' folk must prefer closed government and have no desire to KNOW your nation's actaual history and your rights to open and accountable government so you depend on the RW media lies about HONEST Dems who risked the MOST to inform the citizenry, and pretend you know what you're talking about as you parrot ASSHOLES who need to lIE to you to protect the powerful elite who Kerry spent years exposing.

Dumbass wing of the Dem party who never bothered to learn the truth about their nation's actual record has hurt this party.

who refused to help Kerry all those years, or further his findings because THEY FEARED crossing BushInc.

Not a damn one of them would risk their life and career for YOU aor family's right to an honest recording of history, let alone risk their life for them. Kerry would. YOU are ignorant of what it takes to show any real HONEST courage.

FOCK YOUR weak Dems and every weak citizen who takes potshots at honest lawmakers while hiding behind ignorance.

It doesn't feel good, and I'm not going to say it.

How come Jim Hightower's name never comes up?

still pissed and amazed how the friggin repugs destroyed him

i will always love him

Absolutely not!

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Kerry had his chance, and he wimped out when it counted. Or should I say when it (he) didn't count (the votes).

Save your rationalizations, people - Kerry blew it. The hell with him. Don't scapegoat the DNC when the buck should ALWAYS stop at the top, and when you represent the party at the TOP of the ticket, show some spine and leadership.

Besides, what kind of loser would you have to be to go from top tier on one year's ticket, and then get demoted during the next election cycle? Kerry doesn't quite suck that badly - but he comes close.

Biden would suck even more though. What an inveterate ass-kisser. He would be nearly as status quo as McCain - he's that treacherous and untrustworthy.

But please, no more effete New Englanders on either side of the Democratic ticket. Our party needs to shed the JFK-romanticizing. He barely won in 1960 anyway, and that is because just enough people got what Nixon was really all about. Time to let go of Camelot and all the mythical baggage that goes with it.

Let Kerry stay in the senate, where he can do the least damage. Maybe one day he will redeem himself like the senior senator from Massachusetts did. Maybe.

Again!
Kerry is a loser and wimp.

Hillary supporter?

Had to get it off your chest?

Believe you're more of a man (I see the screen name: Janet, but still) and public servant than he is?

in the Senate. Is that why you hate him so much? Do you live in MA? I wonder, what do you think about Howard Dean, and Ted Kennedy? There seems to be a recurrent theme here.

Kerry ads nothing to the ticket.
I'm hoping Obama picks Jim Webb.

You aren't even an informed citizen.

to be the 5th rec.

Makes much more sense.

He appeals more to Southern voters; although Kerry is awesome too.

I actually really like Kerry and am proud that he was my first ever vote for POTUS. :D I don't think he deserves all the crap he still gets for what happened in '04 (though I still kind of wish he'd contested the Ohio results more, but still..) and was actually, over all, a really good candidate (though I think Obama has more going for him in general.) But I know that because of all this, there probably isn't much of a chance of this matchup happening. I think Edwards is quite likely, though. ;)

widely viewed as "liberals" (even though us real liberals know otherwise) on one ticket? That would NEVER work in Amurka!!!

No again, today.

And yet Mondale was wiped clear off of the electoral map.

To be fair, I liked Fritz at the time.
And still do.

You just can't fight a tidal wave of bullshit like Reagan or Bush Jr. both put out.

Look how people still talk about Reagan, like he invented sugar or something.
It's utter bullshit.

More banks went bankrupt under Reagan than during the Great Depression.
The deficit flew off of the handle and we went from the greatest lender nation to the greatest debtor nation in just 5 years under dear ol' Ronnie.

I like Fritz to this day, and I never held it against him that he lost.
So, I don't understand why the vitriol against Kerry.

Why do you guys think Colorado went back to paper ballots?
There is no way there wasn't voter theft there.
Every single Democrat on the ballot won their seat - except for John Kerry.

Don't even try and tell me voters voted straight-line Democrat for the rest of the ticket, but picked Bush to be the president.

1. He beat their primary candidate in 2004 and they have never gotten over it. (Thank goodness I joined after the election).

2. He "lost" to Bush in 04.

3. The IWR vote. (He has made up for that).

4. The concession. (Catch 22)

5. He didn't endorse their prefered 08 candidate.

6. He just isn't their favorite liberal (i.e. complaints that he isn't liberal enough).

7. He does something positive or makes news and the haters/trolls come out.

He is also a threat to their agenda and the DC establishment (see BLM's posts).


In a nutshell, DU has always been Anti-Kerry. Even those who were here during the 02, 03, 04 campaign wars remember how nasty it was then.

It's unfortunate that Kerry is still getting a lot of vitriol here. More than candidates that lost worse (not counting Gore because he won), like landslide proportions. It's mind boggling that the hate is still here.

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:hi: But I don't think it will probably happen, for the simple fact that Kerry is unlikely to pull in Southern votes, which we need.

He'd be fantastic in that role.

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but I don't see him as Veep material. We need him in the Senate.

am I stressing the wrong syllable? :sarcasm: