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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:42 PM
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Poll: Clinton wins = 300 electoral votes
PRINCETON, N.J., May 28 (UPI) -- Sen. Hillary Clinton averages a 7-percentage point lead over Sen. John McCain in the 20 states where she claimed victory, a Gallup poll indicated Wednesday.

The Gallup Poll Daily hypothetical Clinton-McCain general election matchup showed Clinton leading McCain, the presumptive GOP nominee, by 50 percent to 43 percent.

In the states Clinton, D-N.Y., won, a hypothetical race between McCain and Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was a virtual tie with McCain, R-Ariz., holding a 46 percent-to-45 percent lead.

In the 28 states and the District of Columbia where Obama has won a higher share of the popular vote than Clinton, Gallup pollsters found Obama and Clinton were statistically tied in how each fare against McCain in a mock general election.

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2008/05/28/poll_clinton_wins_300_electoral_votes/2794/

PRINCETON, NJ -- In the 20 states where Hillary Clinton has claimed victory in the 2008 Democratic primary and caucus elections (winning the popular vote), she has led John McCain in Gallup Poll Daily trial heats for the general election over the past two weeks of Gallup Poll Daily tracking by 50% to 43%. In those same states, Barack Obama is about tied with McCain among national registered voters, 45% to 46%.



In contrast, in the 28 states and the District of Columbia where Obama has won a higher share of the popular vote against Clinton in the 2008 Democratic primaries and caucuses, there is essentially no difference in how Obama and Clinton each fare against McCain. Both Democrats are statistically tied with him for the fall election.




http://www.gallup.com/poll/107539/Hillary-Clintons-SwingState-Advantage.aspx



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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:43 PM
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1. BlooInBloo's prediction: Clinton receives *0* electoral votes in the general election...
Just a guess.
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dchill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:54 PM
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25. That, of course, makes more sense.
Obama and McCain will BOTH get more electoral votes.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:00 PM
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34. (notes the date and time someone said I made sense)
WOOT!!!
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:44 PM
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2. If we elected our candidates from extended leads in polls...
...Obama would have been the nominee for weeks now.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:48 PM
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17. If we elected our candidates from polls six months out
Hillary would have been the nominee for 6 months now.
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:51 PM
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19. Yeah, the polls back then said she would have won by a landslide of delegates.
My point is--

WE DON'T ELECT CANDIDATES OR PRESIDENTS BASED ON POLLS. WE ELECT THEM BY ELECTIONS.

Yeesh.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:53 PM
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22. What if elections aren't fair to Hillary?
Then can we just use cherry-picked polls?
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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:56 PM
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27. What IS fair to Hillary?
There's no reason why she couldn't have won caucuses if she and her team was better prepared for them. She's a lousy boss and an inferior politician.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:58 PM
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33. The NY senate race where the other Democrats got out of the way
That was fair to Hillary. Especially because she started with the handicap of not being from there.

Also fair was her senate reelection campaign where she spent $50M.

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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:03 PM
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38. Aka Nita Lowey
who would have made a great Senator.

Former New Yorker
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:36 PM
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43. Nita Lowey stood back and waited for her turn.
Moynihan's endorsement plugged Mrs. Clinton into her Senatorial title.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:44 PM
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3. Why didn't they do the other primary losers
like Edwards and Richardson?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:45 PM
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4. Freaky Deaky n/t
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adoraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:45 PM
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5. does anyone really care anymore?
Can't wait until June 3.
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AZBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:46 PM
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6. Just hung up on today's conference call, did ya?
You know this just makes your candidate look bad, don't you?
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:46 PM
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7. *yawn* sorry, but no.
She's not going to be nominated. I realise you are delusional, and do not wish to accept reality. She's lost. This is totally irrelevant. You might as well be polling how many people support making her Empress of the Universe, because those results would be just as meaningful as these.
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RooferDem Donating Member (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:46 PM
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8. Thanks for posting!
I'd be interested to see your response to this, if you have a minute to read it!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6159454
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:19 PM
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39. Welcome to DU...you magnificent bastard!
I was wondering why no one was pointing this out. No candidate has said anything bad about Clinton for weeks, not even about the Kennedy thing. That was all cable news...which no one watches.
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casus belli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:47 PM
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9. Just think, you'll have these hypothetical scenarios to mull over forever.
Reality, well that's a different animal. But you can play with the poll numbers all you like and imagine what could have been.

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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:47 PM
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10. Poll - Clinton Loses Primary - Can't proceed to GE
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:55 PM
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26. I prefer this one:




:shrug:
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:57 PM
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31. That one doesn't matter until Clinton has conceded. Until then, the only person
Edited on Wed May-28-08 02:58 PM by Kittycat
being attacked is Obama... From McCain, from Clinton, etc. No one is going after her. She's ignored by the GOP, and Obama has never really gone after her, and particularly now - all he's done is speak well of her.

Unless of course she's running as an independent and traitor to the party.
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americanstranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:47 PM
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11. Check my new sig!
- as
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:47 PM
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12. Well, shit howdy, let's stop the whole thing now and inaugurate her tomorrow
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:47 PM
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13. FACT: She can't beat Obama, therefore, she won't be in the GE.
next
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Bright Eyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:48 PM
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14. She lost.
Let it go.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:48 PM
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15. that's the Dem gal.
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:01 PM
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35. Wow! A Pithy One-Liner... Haven't Seen One Of Those For A While
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:48 PM
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16. Too Bad. She's not going to be the nominee
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:49 PM
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18. Clearly holding all those primaries and caucuses was a waste of time.
What we should have done was let Gallup select the nominee on the first of January.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:51 PM
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20. Clinton/Lieberman ... Sore Loser Party candidates in November.
Edited on Wed May-28-08 02:52 PM by TahitiNut
Good luck! :hi: (Hell ... it worked for Joe.) :shrug:
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PoliticalAmazon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:52 PM
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21. She also has more roses in her garden than the Obamas so that means SHE'S WON THE PRIMARY! n/t
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:53 PM
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23. Did another blast memo just get issued from Camp Clinton?
What's the point of this?

Where has she been campaigning? Other than FL, where she piggybacked on Obama's trips so she could rattle the "disenfranchisement" saber, have you seen her in ANY state that has already voted in the Primary, as in...let's go back there and campaign for the GE?

Meanwhile, Obama has returned to MO, MI, FL, NV and now CO.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:53 PM
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:57 PM
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30. Nice response.
Remind me of that "unity" meme.

Very classy, typical response of some of his supporters.
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:21 PM
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40. yeah, but you can't have it both ways. The poster says we should
elect Clinton because she "super-beats" McCain, whereas Obama only beats him. Come on, that is no reason to abandon our nominee. The OP is the problem.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:23 PM
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41. No, the response is inappropriate.
You don't call fellow Democrats "cockroaches".
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:41 PM
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45. Who are you voting for in November?
Obama or McCain? Your answer to that will determine whether you really are a fellow Democrat.
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:41 PM
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44. I don't work for his campaign, fool.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:43 PM
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46. Who said that you did???? I said supporter not staffer.
Fool? More classy remarks.
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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:50 PM
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50. Yeah, as classy as the crap I've seen from Hillary people
all over this board. You guys keep throwing around his campaign slogans like we're all working for his campaign or something. I don't support him because of his campaign slogans, but because of who he is and what he can do. So you can quit flinging around the "unity" stuff. And yeah, you are a fool. Patently.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:56 PM
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28. Poll: Pee Wee Herman beats the crap out of Mike Tyson!
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Milo_Bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:56 PM
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29. How does Ron Paul do?
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 02:57 PM
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32. Maybe this matters in 2016!!!
Don't rule that out!

Let's tuck this little tidbit of information away for then, because it sure as hell doesn't mean anything before then.

David
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:02 PM
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36. Whatever, people.
She's the far better candidate. Obama may well end up being the nominee, but she's still the better one to beat McCain.

The woman has been vilified, bashed constantly by the LF and the media, but she still manages to poll well and win states.

Pity that we are about to throw away someone who would be a better president for the inexperienced new kid on the block.

The Democratic motto: snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:25 PM
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42. Our experienced candidate...
lost in '04, and not in '00 (but he did not get to be president). Also, Dole and Bush Sr. had more experience than B. Clinton...so Americans don't really go for that experience thing. B. Clinton, the new kid, was a better POTUS than Bush Sr. and Dole. Even where the experienced candidate would have been better than GWB, Americans rejected them...though in the case of Gore, only 5 Americans rejected him (and they all sit on the Supreme Court).
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:44 PM
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47. I honestly think that she's ready for the job
and would be a great president. I think that Obama is still too green.
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oxbow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:02 PM
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49. Did you hear this quote?
"One of my heroes is Abraham Lincoln," said Obama. "And a while back there was a wonderful book written by Doris Kearns Goodwin called 'Team of Rivals,' which talked about Lincoln basically pulled in all the people who had been running against him into his Cabinet because whatever . . . personal feelings there were, the issue was how can we get this country through this time of crisis."

"And I think," he added, "that has to be the approach that one takes, whether it's vice president or Cabinet, whoever, and by the way that does not exclude Republicans either."


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/rendell-obama-r.html

He's really not that bad a guy. He has good ideas and he'll pick the best people to support him in the campaign and the WH. Plus he inspires people, even while asking them to sacrifice for their country.

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Erin Elizabeth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:50 PM
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51. That's the only argument you guys have anymore.
I talk to a few Hillary supporters on other boards, and they're down to that one lame argument, too.

He's no more green than Bill Clinton was! :rofl:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:31 PM
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54. You must be jesting!!!
Bill Clinton was the senior governor of the country in 1992, having served for 12 years. Obama? Oh yeah, he was a state senator. Big deal!!!
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:54 PM
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56. No greener than Bill Clinton in 1992
I'd say Bill was better than Poppy any old day.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:48 PM
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48. We have some late-breaking news:
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 03:02 PM
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37. We don't elect a nominee with POLLS.
We elect a nominee through each state holding primaries or caucuses. Those are the rules of the game. And by the rules, Hillary has LOST.

Let it go.
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EmilyAnne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:52 PM
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52. That's well and good, but superdelegates would be insane to go against the will of the people and,
instead. vote according to polls.
It doesn't matter.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 04:52 PM
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53.  "...in the 20 states where SHE CLAIMED victory..."
:boring:
rocknation
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George_Bonanza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:23 PM
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55. Polls in May mean JACK
Or else, John Kerry would be running for re-election right now.
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