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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:05 PM
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The Gaping Wide Hole In Hillary's Excuse: Why Doesn't She Suspend Her Campaign?
Edited on Wed May-28-08 07:07 PM by berni_mccoy
Recently, Hillary had to retract some words she used, multiple times, about RFK's assassination in the context of staying in the race.

Her excuse was as follows:
"I was discussing the Democratic primary history and in the course of that discussion mentioned the campaigns of both my husband and Senator (Robert) Kennedy waged in California in June in 1992 and 1968 and I was referencing those to make the point that we have had nomination primary contests that go into June. That's a historic fact," she said.

It may be a historic fact, but it is also a lie. The question that preceded it was not about the history of the Democratic Primary. It was about her staying in the race. Here is the transcript with the question that just preceded her answer:

HILLARY CLINTON: ...people have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa, ahh…

ARGUS LEADER: Why?….

HILLARY CLINTON: I don’t know,…

ARGUS LEADER: ….why?…..
***note the question is why are people trying to push you out of the race***

HILLARY CLINTON: ….I don’t know….I don’t …I find it curious, because…it is unprecedented in history. I don’t understand it, you know between my opponent and his camp and some in the media there has been this…urgency to end this, and you know, I … historically that makes no sense, so I find it a bit of a mystery..

ARGUS LEADER: You don’t buy the unity argument?
***note, he's asking her to clarify the original question, that she's not being pressured to quit for the unity of the party, that she believes she's just being pressured to quit***

HILLARY CLINTON: I don’t. (crosstalk)….because again I’ve been around long enough, uh,… my husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary, uhhh..somewhere in the middle of June..

ARGUS LEADER: …June…

HILLARY CLINTON: (crosstalk)…right?… We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June, in California, ah, I…I just don’t understand it. There’s lots of speculation about why it is, but ah,…


She only mentioned the word *history* because historically, races have gone on until June. But that does not justify her reason for staying in. Her justification for staying in is because something bad might happen.

And here is why this wasn't just a misspeak or a gaffe:

Her campaign knows she doesn't have the delegates. They know the popular vote argument is bogus. They realize they are pretty much out of the race at this point.

So, when asked directly, at the editorial review board, why she doesn't support the party and do the honorable thing and resign, she raised the specter of the RFK assassination. And it's not just then, but it has been brought up several times as they have been asked why, given the fact that it would take an "act of God", to end the race, she has twice and her staff has three or four times admitted that is the only reason they are staying in. She has at least twice admitted this and her staff have admitted this at least three other times. They can not win. So why stay in? She's told us: it's the a-word.

And this is the gaping wide hole in that defense: she could easily, respectfully and honorably, suspend her campaign. If, for some God-forsaken reason, something unmentionable *did* happen to Obama, she would be the obvious choice and would become the presumptive nominee. The fact that she is *not* resigning says one of two things: she is either expecting something unmentionable to happen or she is not staying in for that reason. I prefer to think the latter. But when you do give her the benefit of the doubt, you are forced to ask, why did she bring up RFK's assassination then? It doesn't fit and there was no good reason for her to do so if you assume that is not the reason she is staying in the race. Remember, they've admitted this as the reason they are staying in multiple times. So why raise the specter. It clearly was intentional and not a gaffe or a misspeak. So why? There's a gaping wide hole in her defense here. No one wants to look through it.



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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:11 PM
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1. )….because again I’ve been around long enough
Hillary's words not mine!
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:22 PM
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2. Everything Makes Sense When You Realize
That she's in this to destroy Obama - probably to preserve her chance in 2012.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:51 PM
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19. There will be no "2012" for Clinton (although she may not see it)
If she thinks Iowa and Hew Hampshire were tough for her this year, what will it be like after the way she played them on MI/FL?

I make the following assertions:

1) in 2012 Iowa and NH will still be the first caucus and primary states, and of huge importance;

2) the primary voters in those states like their "first in the nation" status and they will NOT forget how she behaved this year;

3) if there is not a Democratic incumbent and Hillary runs, she will be TROUNCED in Iowa and NH.

So it is ridiculous for Hillary to even think of setting herself up for 2012.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:25 PM
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3. you had me at "she could easily, respectfully and honorably, suspend her campaign"
as if

Love your sig. :D
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suston96 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:32 PM
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4. Whatta bunch of bull.....
Why the big rush to "suspend her campaign"? Is there a problem ?

If Obama was winning this nomination fair and square he would welcome the race continuing until it was completely settled - nobody dropping out until the convention, with all 50 states seated and counting, selecting the nominee according to the Democratic Charter.

So what's the problem? A few more uncles waiting in the shadows?

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Labors of Hercules Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:40 PM
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7. Obama and his campaign HAVE welcomed the race continuing...
and have NOT ONCE in ANY communications, emails, correspondence, press releases, speeches or any other means of communication said otherwise.

It is YOU Hillary supporters that keep putting words in their mouths.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:46 PM
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8. The point is over here ====> (you completely missed it)
The problem with her excuse is that it's not a valid reason for staying in the race. And it's the excuse they've given multiple times: they're staying in just in case something unmentionable (well, Clinton mentioned it) happens to Obama. But if that's the reasons they are staying in, then why not suspend? And if it isn't the reason they are staying in, why did she raise the specter of RFK's assassination?
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:33 PM
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5. That's right. None of the offered reasons for her continued campaigning make sense to
me. That's what worries me.
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K Gardner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:36 PM
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6. LOL.. the vulture on the Obama thingy.
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Willo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:46 PM
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9. Oh that one's much better :)
Edited on Wed May-28-08 07:56 PM by WIllo
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sellitman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:52 PM
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10. If she was creating a timeline
She didn't then have to add the assasination line at the end.

I use to respect her. That has changed dramatically. What a shame.
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 07:58 PM
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11. People suspend their campaigns when they are losing.
Not when they are winning. Hillary has won most of the last 7 primaries and is ahead in the popular vote. Why should she suspend anything?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:01 PM
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12. Candidates suspend their campaigns when they know the can not win.
This way, they stop wasting money and prevent themselves from going into debt and possibly losing their current political position.
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Prophet 451 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:42 PM
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18. She's NOT ahead in the popular vote
The only way she can be counted as ahead in the popular vote is if you give her Florida and Michigan, don't give Obama ANY votes from either AND don't count the four caucus states that don't release vote totals. In other words, she's NOT ahead in the popular vote.

Plus, the popular vote is meaningless anyway. Both candidates agreed to teh rules saying this was about delegates. Had it been about the popular vote, both would have campaigned differently.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:56 PM
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20. And they END them when they've finally LOST, as Hillary has.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:59 PM
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21. Hillary has lost...
she is losing in delegates, and..in the 'popular vote'. No matter how many times you say it, the math remains the same. Hoping for the 'catastrophic event' is the only way Hillary wins. What are you hoping for?
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:04 PM
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13. Slate has a good take on this...
They pointed out her remarks would've destroyed any other campaign.

But the damage to her campaign is minimal since it has been mostly destroyed in the first place.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:16 PM
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15. There is not enough attention being given to this... her remarks were extremely dangerous
And there was intent. There is a big hole in her defense of using such statements and it needs to be considered more seriously.

It's gone beyond damage to a political campaign at this point.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:06 PM
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14. Love the vulture
that's the truth of it.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:19 PM
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16. She wants to hurt the Democratic Party. It was supposed to be 'her turn' as if elections didn't exis
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 08:24 PM
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17. Yeah, but who is going to tell her, Pat Buchanan?
They have to tell her that the campaign is over next week and that she lost.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 09:30 PM
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22. No one needs to tell her. She knows it. So, if she isn't giving up, why is she staying in?
And if the reason she is staying in, isn't to wait for some unmentionable event, then why did she need to raise the specter of the RFK assassination?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 10:54 PM
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23. ...
late night kick.
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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-28-08 11:01 PM
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24. look at other contested primaries - that went to the convention
They did not have any where near the numbers Hillary has.

Why can't the party handle it now, correction, why can't Obama and Co handle it?

hmmmmmm
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 06:49 AM
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25. If she is staying in because of the massive support, why haven't they said that is their reason then
Why make up all these reasons and references for staying in?


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GoldieAZ49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 10:27 AM
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27. There isn't any reason that is 'made up'
facts are facts look at the history
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:02 PM
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28. You just contradicted yourself.
First you said the reason they are staying in is because of overwhelming support. Now you are agreeing with them that they are waiting for something to happen...? What is the reason they are staying in?
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 07:12 AM
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26. I see Hillary Supporters going awfully quiet in this thread when confronted with the reality
If Clinton is staying in for valid reasons, why did she raise the specter of RFK's Assassination and why use that as an excuse to stay in?

Once the realize the cold hard reality of what she is doing they have nothing left to say.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:13 PM
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30. She has no valid reason whatsoever... all her logic is old world political thinking
Every word that comes out of her campaign is political. People are tired of that kind of BS. It's crap logic.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-29-08 12:10 PM
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29. No matter what happens she could never get my vote anyway. I don't vote for people
Edited on Thu May-29-08 12:11 PM by wowimthere
who use American lives for a political litmus test to prove toughness and then sanctimoniously prop up healthcare for all to show you care about lives of ordinary Americans. When she signed on to that authorization shouldn't she have thought about the potential life lost in Iraq who could have used her healthcare plan? She is plan too stupid to be the president. This has nothing to do with her gender or race or anything but good common sense. We've had a president that was reckless and stupid already. What do we need another one for?
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